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Got a question about travel clinics and shots to be taken before going to Tanzania

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G - 11 May 2005 21:53 GMT
Is anyone here familiar with what are the neccessary things to be immunized
against before going on a trip to Tanzania? The travel clinics here in
Canada charge ridiculous amounts and I think i most prob need immunization
against HepA - not sure about yellow fever, etc. Any help would be greatly
appreciated.
Shawn Hearn - 12 May 2005 04:25 GMT
> Is anyone here familiar with what are the neccessary things to be immunized
> against before going on a trip to Tanzania? The travel clinics here in
> Canada charge ridiculous amounts and I think i most prob need immunization
> against HepA - not sure about yellow fever, etc. Any help would be greatly
> appreciated.

This kind of information can be found at http://travel.state.gov
Not the Karl Orff - 12 May 2005 16:25 GMT
> > Is anyone here familiar with what are the neccessary things to be immunized
> > against before going on a trip to Tanzania? The travel clinics here in
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> This kind of information can be found at http://travel.state.gov

CDC.gov would be even better
Hans-Georg Michna - 12 May 2005 08:35 GMT
>Is anyone here familiar with what are the neccessary things to be immunized
>against before going on a trip to Tanzania? The travel clinics here in
>Canada charge ridiculous amounts and I think i most prob need immunization
>against HepA - not sure about yellow fever, etc. Any help would be greatly
>appreciated.

Unfortunately I don't have the topical information for Tanzania,
but the neighboring Kenya requires no immunization at all,
except if you enter from a neighboring country where certain
diseases are prevalent. (I'm not perfectly certain about the
current rules. Please chime in, anyone, with fresh information.)

For a short, typical tourist trip you may, in fact, not need any
inoculation, particularly if you are careful and don't expose
yourself.

That said, most useful are probably inoculations against
hepatitis A and B and tetanus, which will also be of some use
back home.

By far the most dangerous health risk is malaria. You must do
something against it, and I recommend to take prophylactic
medication. Probably the best is Malarone. Lariam is also
effective but has got some bad news because of side effects.

You should also use another protection against malaria, namely a
mosquito net at night (all lodges should provide this) and
insect repellant. You should also spray the mosquito nets with
insect poison, but do this not immediately before going to bed.
Instead air the room after applying the spray. Apply insect
repellant for textiles to your clothes before spending time out
in the evening, like in open dinner rooms.

The nice thing is that these measures also protect you from
other, rarer insect-borne diseases like yellow fever.

Hans-Georg

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Simon Elliott - 12 May 2005 10:22 GMT
> By far the most dangerous health risk is malaria. You must do
> something against it, and I recommend to take prophylactic
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> The nice thing is that these measures also protect you from
> other, rarer insect-borne diseases like yellow fever.

All excellent advice.

Also remember to use the malaria medication for the recommended period
before and after your trip. If you experience influenza-type symptoms
on return, tell your medical practitioner that you've visited Tanzania.

It's also a good idea to wear clothes which cover your wrists and
ankles - long sleeve shirts, long trousers, desert boots or similar.

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david_r98@hotmail.com - 12 May 2005 14:25 GMT
If you can't afford decent medical advice, you can't afford to travel!

By all means visit the website suggested, but then print out the
relevant pages and show them to your physician!  Any medications that
you currently take will affect the immunisations that you need, as will
the type of holiday that you plan to take.
G - 12 May 2005 20:29 GMT
david,

i can afford decent medical advice. but the doctors that i spoke to say it
is up to me to weigh the risks. obviously they push the full vacination list
in excess of 300$, but if all i need are malaria prescriptions then it is
kind of a waste of money, no?

the doctor i spoke to recommended hepA vacinnation. As a sidenote i am in my
mid-20s and in perfect physical condition and not allergic to any known
substance.

> If you can't afford decent medical advice, you can't afford to travel!
>
> By all means visit the website suggested, but then print out the
> relevant pages and show them to your physician!  Any medications that
> you currently take will affect the immunisations that you need, as will
> the type of holiday that you plan to take.
Liz - 12 May 2005 20:51 GMT
> david,
>
> i can afford decent medical advice. but the doctors that i spoke to say it
> is up to me to weigh the risks. obviously they push the full vacination list
> in excess of 300$, but if all i need are malaria prescriptions then it is
> kind of a waste of money, no?

That's for you to decide, right enough, but even when I started
travelling and the jags were on the NHS, our doctor still encouraged
us to take the full list.

Slainte

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Hans-Georg Michna - 12 May 2005 21:12 GMT
>That's for you to decide, right enough, but even when I started
>travelling and the jags were on the NHS, our doctor still encouraged
>us to take the full list.

Liz,

does that surprise you? Everybody likes to be important (and to
make money). And people tend to overestimate the importance of
what they do. (:-)

The next time you talk to a doctor about such issues, ask for
probability figures of infection. That will teach you an
interesting lesson. These doctors, who gladly recommend this or
that, have no clue. For good measure, ask them about probability
figures for side effects as well.

What we know is that the risk of contracting any disease is
roughly proportional to the time we spend. So when you stay in a
place for months, it is many times more sensible to take
precautions than if you stay only for, say, two weeks.

Hans-Georg

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Liz - 12 May 2005 23:45 GMT
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         Hans-Georg Michna <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com>
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>>That's for you to decide, right enough, but even when I started
>>travelling and the jags were on the NHS, our doctor still encouraged
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> make money). And people tend to overestimate the importance of
> what they do. (:-)

I thought it was significant, because when they were prescribing on
the NHS, each clinic was on a budget, and prescribing us travel jags
would reduce the money they had to spend on other patients, so I
reckon they thought that the cost was better spent in the preventative
stage than having to pay to cure anything we might come back with!
Now we have to pay for most travel jabs, the first time it was only
Yellow fever.  Actually one year we had to get meningitis jabs because
a strain had broken out in Kenya. By that time, we had to pay, and
they cost us at the time 10GBP each. We had hoped to be with the
driver/guide we'd had the previous year, and were upset to discover
his wife had just died of the very strain of meningitis we'd spend
only £10 to prevent. Of course, our risk of catching it was
significantly less.

Just like insurance, while many people choose not to insure, or to
under-insure, I sleep better at night if I'm covered (medically and
insurance-wise) for the foreseeable possibilities, while knowing that
not everything is risk-assessable - and that insurance companies are,
in general, a lot of charlatans who will wriggle out of anything they
possibly can wriggle out of.  :-(

Of course, it's a decision everyone has to make for themselves.
However, if we choose not to take preventative measures, do we have
the right to expect to be treated on the NHS if we go down with
something which could have been prevented (I know this isn't an issue
in countries without a state health system).

Slainte

Liz

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Hans-Georg Michna - 13 May 2005 09:49 GMT
>Of course, it's a decision everyone has to make for themselves.
>However, if we choose not to take preventative measures, do we have
>the right to expect to be treated on the NHS if we go down with
>something which could have been prevented (I know this isn't an issue
>in countries without a state health system).

Liz,

I think yes, because no prevention may have been the better
choice. However you choose, you have some residual risk, which
you should bear consciously, and the NHS should appreciate that
too.

For example, the treatment for one unlucky person of 10,000 may
be cheaper than prevention for 10,000, and the total risk of the
side effects of prevention may be higher than the total risk of
the disease in question. Or perhaps it's more like 100,000? one
million? How many tourists have recently died of the disease?
What, this question cannot be answered? How then can anybody
make a rational decision?

These decisions are a bit difficult and can be impossible to
make rationally if you can't get the actual numbers, i.e.
quantify the risks.

Then it becomes a matter of belief, and that means that a
simple-minded person will act out of fear, rather than
rationally. He will simply pick the most obvious fear, the one
of dying from the disease in question, and decide to do
something about that, while totally ignoring side effects and
costs.

You can see that I'm a deeply rooted skeptic. (:-)

Hans-Georg

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