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jeffreyj - 18 Jun 2008 20:26 GMT
How strict is United about carry-on luggage?  I flew with them last
year on a domestic flight, and my carry-on was a bit bigger than
allowed but the flight attendant was nice and stowed it away for me.

I am now flying with them on an international flight.  Are they pretty
strict about carryon?

Also, I understand the limit is 9x14x22 inches.  If I have a duffel
bag that is about 10x10x25, would that be allowed?  The sides still
add up to 45 inches.

jeff
Bob Myers - 18 Jun 2008 20:37 GMT
> How strict is United about carry-on luggage?  I flew with them last
> year on a domestic flight, and my carry-on was a bit bigger than
> allowed but the flight attendant was nice and stowed it away for me.
>
> I am now flying with them on an international flight.  Are they pretty
> strict about carryon?

Not really more so, in terms of actually checking the
sizes, than they are with domestic flights.  Where you
may run into trouble is actually stowing the stuff once
you're aboard, and that will depend to a great deal on
the aircraft in question, exactly where you are IN that
aircraft (i.e., which bin you want to use), and of course
how many others are going to be there with you.

> Also, I understand the limit is 9x14x22 inches.  If I have a duffel
> bag that is about 10x10x25, would that be allowed?  The sides still
> add up to 45 inches.

I doubt anyone would stop you unless they already knew
carryon space was going to be tight and were looking
for people with bags they could ask to be gate-checked -
but if push comes to shove, being technically outside the
allowable "box" lets them force the issue, of course.

Bob M.
Jim Davis - 18 Jun 2008 23:03 GMT
>> How strict is United about carry-on luggage?  I flew with them last
>> year on a domestic flight, and my carry-on was a bit bigger than
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>
> Bob M.

Another thing we all have to keep in mind is, with the new checked bag
charges, people are going to try to stuff as much as they can in their
carry-ons.  It will start causing an issue, and the airlines may start to
crack down on carry-on size & weight.
jeffreyj - 18 Jun 2008 23:05 GMT
> > How strict is United about carry-on luggage?  I flew with them last
> > year on a domestic flight, and my carry-on was a bit bigger than
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> Bob M.

Thanks for the answer.  I was just getting worried because I've heard
airlines were cracking down nowadays.

Another question.  Can I take a poster tube as carry-on?  I already
have one carryon suitcase and a laptop bag as a personal item.  Would
the tube exceed my carryon allowance?  It's not big or heavy, just
long.
John Kulp - 19 Jun 2008 00:44 GMT
>> > Also, I understand the limit is 9x14x22 inches. =A0If I have a duffel
>> > bag that is about 10x10x25, would that be allowed? =A0The sides still
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>the tube exceed my carryon allowance?  It's not big or heavy, just
>long.

Yes it would.  You are allowed 2 pieces not 3.
jessica_smith_nyc - 19 Jun 2008 04:14 GMT
Also depends on how full the flight is and how full the overhead bins
are...........I would try to wait in the front of the line when
boarding. Usually if you can fit it in the overhead you should be
fine.

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> How strict is United about carry-on luggage?  I flew with them last
> year on a domestic flight, and my carry-on was a bit bigger than
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>
> jeff
TMOliver - 19 Jun 2008 16:52 GMT
"jessica_smith_nyc" <uwalum2002@hotmail.com> wrote...

Also depends on how full the flight is and how full the overhead bins
are...........I would try to wait in the front of the line when
boarding. Usually if you can fit it in the overhead you should be
fine.

Thus spakes one who travels rarely or when doing so, has head firmly
inserted in fundament, peering out at world through plate glass navel....

I'd take that as extremely bad advice.  Besides, if you're in Group 5, the
head of the line doesn't help much

1)  With cutbacks in flight schedules, a/c are going to be crowded.

2)  With fees for checked bags, more folks will try to get by with carryons,
and they will be "more and fatter".

3)  The rule is generally 2 as in "two", and a rollaboard, a laptop case and
a mailing tube is 3 as in "three", which is not "two" and in coming times,
may cause you vast difficulty, because they'll be looking.

4)  Already some little used "templates" and fancy metal "bag seizers" are
beginning to appear at gates, and the airlines will without doubt (only the
day of reckoning to be set), enforce the same sort of size restrictions in
the US that have become common in Europe.

Don't be left at the gate, taking advice from a poster @ "Hotmail", not
exactly the ISP of the stars, right up there with aol if better than
webmail...

TMO
John Kulp - 19 Jun 2008 18:03 GMT
>"jessica_smith_nyc" <uwalum2002@hotmail.com> wrote...
>
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>Thus spakes one who travels rarely or when doing so, has head firmly
>inserted in fundament, peering out at world through plate glass navel....

It's, in fact, very good advice for anyone flying anyone other than
Southwest.  I do it all the time myself.  Got a credit card that gives
me priority boarding for just this reason.

>I'd take that as extremely bad advice.  Besides, if you're in Group 5, the
>head of the line doesn't help much

So don't fly Southwest.

>1)  With cutbacks in flight schedules, a/c are going to be crowded.

Yup, which is why you want priority boarding.

>2)  With fees for checked bags, more folks will try to get by with carryons,
>and they will be "more and fatter".

And then won't fit and have to be checked at the gate.  IF they get
through security in the first place.  Try doing laundry on the road,
pack sensibly and you will have no problems,

>3)  The rule is generally 2 as in "two", and a rollaboard, a laptop case and
>a mailing tube is 3 as in "three", which is not "two" and in coming times,
>may cause you vast difficulty, because they'll be looking.

I don't know where you get "generally" from, since in the US at least
it is an FAA rule not an airline one.

>4)  Already some little used "templates" and fancy metal "bag seizers" are
>beginning to appear at gates, and the airlines will without doubt (only the
>day of reckoning to be set), enforce the same sort of size restrictions in
>the US that have become common in Europe.

This can only be done where airlines that all agree to do so have all
the gates.  CO sued UA over just this a few years and won forcing them
to be removed.  And no they won't since it is a major competitive
factor in the US.

>Don't be left at the gate, taking advice from a poster @ "Hotmail", not
>exactly the ISP of the stars, right up there with aol if better than
>webmail...
>
>TMO
TMOliver - 19 Jun 2008 20:34 GMT
> This can only be done where airlines that all agree to do so have all
> the gates.  CO sued UA over just this a few years and won forcing them
> to be removed.  And no they won't since it is a major competitive
> factor in the US.

You're reading the lawsuit's settlement wrong, John.

The templates have begun to appear at DFW and the moment for enforcement is
likely to not be far off.  DL's had the metal ones around for a while,
gathering dust, and as for CO, I've seen the rule, 2 pieces plus a coat,
applied on CO"Light", the Embraers, now Saabs here and the RJs out of IAH to
Mexico - Gate check required.

Just what percentage of WN's pax qualify for premium boarding?  You're a
great one for exceptions, not near the poseur that larry in AZ appears to
be, but equally snittish, a flea afloat on his back down the Mississippi,
jacking off, and calling for the draw bridges to be raised.

If you knew as much about air travel as you claim, you'd unlikely be
occupying your particular bit of the space/time warp.

TMO
John Kulp - 19 Jun 2008 21:15 GMT
>> This can only be done where airlines that all agree to do so have all
>> the gates.  CO sued UA over just this a few years and won forcing them
>> to be removed.  And no they won't since it is a major competitive
>> factor in the US.
>
>You're reading the lawsuit's settlement wrong, John.

Sorry, no I'm not.  It's right here and CO won and UA was forced to
remove them just like I said.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F00E2DD1230F936A15757C0A9669C8B63

>The templates have begun to appear at DFW and the moment for enforcement is
>likely to not be far off.  DL's had the metal ones around for a while,
>gathering dust, and as for CO, I've seen the rule, 2 pieces plus a coat,
>applied on CO"Light", the Embraers, now Saabs here and the RJs out of IAH to
>Mexico - Gate check required.

And they cannot be enforced if other airlines using the same gates
disagree and don't want them.  That's what the suit determined on
antitrust grounds.  As for gate checking luggage and getting them back
at the gate (the latter being key) is the ideal solution for too many
carryons that otherwise meet the carryon requirements.  Only involved
a few minutes at the gate after the plane arrives.

>Just what percentage of WN's pax qualify for premium boarding?  You're a
>great one for exceptions, not near the poseur that larry in AZ appears to
>be, but equally snittish, a flea afloat on his back down the Mississippi,
>jacking off, and calling for the draw bridges to be raised.

Whatever.  I have no idea. I never fly WN.  Though as I understand it,
you pay extra for the privilege but I'm not sure since I don't fly
them.

>If you knew as much about air travel as you claim, you'd unlikely be
>occupying your particular bit of the space/time warp.

Try proving me wrong then instead of making smartass remarks. I
haven't seen you do that yet,
Jim Davis - 19 Jun 2008 22:30 GMT
> Just what percentage of WN's pax qualify for premium boarding?

Last week my company put me on a WN flight.  My first one in about a year.
they sprung for the extra fee.  I got premium boarding and one free drink
coupon.

There was one other guy in line with me.  No average flyer is going to pay
the extra $$ for that.
Jim Davis - 19 Jun 2008 22:24 GMT
>>I'd take that as extremely bad advice.  Besides, if you're in Group 5, the
>>head of the line doesn't help much
>
> So don't fly Southwest.

He wasn't refering to WN.  Many of the airlines board in groups.  I beleive
AA, DL, UA, & US still do.  Get stuck in group 5 or above, and the overhead
space is gone.
John Kulp - 19 Jun 2008 22:38 GMT
>>>I'd take that as extremely bad advice.  Besides, if you're in Group 5, the
>>>head of the line doesn't help much
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>AA, DL, UA, & US still do.  Get stuck in group 5 or above, and the overhead
>space is gone.

Which is why you get priority boarding status like I did.  Or a seat
in the back which does the same thing.
Larry in AZ - 19 Jun 2008 23:14 GMT
Waiving the right to remain silent, john_kulp@hotmail.com (John Kulp)
said:

>>>>I'd take that as extremely bad advice.  Besides, if you're in Group 5,
>>>>the head of the line doesn't help much
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Which is why you get priority boarding status like I did.  Or a seat
> in the back which does the same thing.

Or they ENFORCE the carry-on size so that idjits with 32" long wheelies
won't be able to eat up an entire bin with them.

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John Kulp - 20 Jun 2008 00:52 GMT
>Waiving the right to remain silent, john_kulp@hotmail.com (John Kulp)
>said:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>Or they ENFORCE the carry-on size so that idjits with 32" long wheelies
>won't be able to eat up an entire bin with them.

Sure they can do that if they want to further alienate their customers
in return for absolutely nothing.  The dumb ones might well while the
smart ones won't.  Which, of course, will put them ever further in the
hole as their customers leave for the better ones.
Ad absurdum per aspera - 24 Jun 2008 23:02 GMT
> He wasn't referring to WN.  Many of the airlines board in groups.

Southwest sorta boards in groups, just with more substructure than
they used to.  You don't get a seat assignment, but you get a
numerical place in line, in one of the three groups.  Your group and
number are determined by the order in which you checked in.  You can
start doing this exactly 24 hours before departure, and  I get the
distinct impression, from firsthand experience and overheard
conversations, of people poised over the Return key on their computer,
a sort of mini Oklahoma land rush, at that time.

(Now that gate agents and the regular customers have figured it out,
the new procedure has brought an increment of calm and order to  what
used to be a bit of a rugby scrum.)

They sell a "Business Select" ticket these days, which in addition to
being a changeable and refundable Y-code-esque ticket, gets you a
place somewhere in the head of the A group and a few other minor bits
of preferential treatment.

I haven't seen statistics on how well Business Select is selling.  My
impression from recent flights is that a few to several people,
sometimes a dozen or so, usually hold that kind of ticket. It costs
quite a bit more than a restricted Southwest ticket bought well in
advance by an astute shopper, but not much more than a fungible
unselect one bought at the last minute.

One thus imagines it to be (as the name would imply) an inexpensive
amenity for the corporate traveler who got his orders on short
notice.  A pretty cunning scheme if you ask me:   costs the airline
essentially nothing to offer, earns them 5-10x the cost of that free
drink, sneaks in under the radar on the passenger's expense claim, and
ameliorates the experience in small nice loyalty-building ways.

Same limit on the number and size of carry-ons (which I think comes
out of TSA, not the airlines, anyway) and same self-selection of the
seat, but being toward the front of the line in the A group, you have
more choice in seat selection and a better shot at whatever carry-on
storage is available.  If you're joining a multi-stop flight somewhere
in the middle, this may or may not be enough, but the odds are better
than if you're further back.

--Joe
Jim Davis - 24 Jun 2008 23:07 GMT
> I haven't seen statistics on how well Business Select is selling.

I don't know either, but my company got me a Business Select ticket a few
weeks ago, and I was in line with one other person.  People won't pay that
much extra just for a better place in line.

I tend to keep away from Southwest.
jeffreyj - 20 Jun 2008 14:25 GMT
> And then won't fit and have to be checked at the gate.  IF they get
> through security in the first place.  Try doing laundry on the road,
> pack sensibly and you will have no problems,

i don't mind having my carry-on gate-checked.  i just don't want to
have to pay to check the luggage at the check-in desk.

so i guess with the poster roll, i will have three pieces so that
won't work.  but the airlines don't really have/use the sizing
templates for carryon luggage?

jeff
Rog' - 20 Jun 2008 17:48 GMT
i don't mind having my carry-on gate-checked.  i just don't
want to have to pay to check the luggage at the check-in desk.

I suspect that you'll pay one way or the other.
I know of one couple who has taken to sending their essentials
to their destination by UPS prior to departure, with notice and
approval by the recipient, of course.
Irwell - 20 Jun 2008 20:36 GMT
> i don't mind having my carry-on gate-checked.  i just don't
> want to have to pay to check the luggage at the check-in desk.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> to their destination by UPS prior to departure, with notice and
> approval by the recipient, of course.

That can be far more expensive than the check-in fee,
Next day air, or even 2 day for 40 lbs. is expensive, hundred dollars if a
distance of 2000 miles.
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Rog' - 21 Jun 2008 02:37 GMT
>> I know of one couple who has taken to sending their essentials
>> to their destination by UPS prior to departure, with notice and
>> approval by the recipient, of course.

> That can be far more expensive than the check-in fee,
> Next day air, or even 2 day for 40 lbs. is expensive, hundred
> dollars if a distance of 2000 miles.

Not so much for Ground (4-day) for 30 lbs., and you save the
hassle of checking and waiting for you bags at the carosel. But
yeah, you still have the hassle of boxing and mailing the boxes.
Irwell - 21 Jun 2008 03:15 GMT
>>> I know of one couple who has taken to sending their essentials
>>> to their destination by UPS prior to departure, with notice and
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> hassle of checking and waiting for you bags at the carosel. But
> yeah, you still have the hassle of boxing and mailing the boxes.

UPS Ground delivery for 2000 miles is more like a week to ten days,
can be quicker but since the price of gas has risen so much UPS is
consolidating  their shipments and you may find the luggage being held over
at intermediate points. At $25 a 40 lb suitcase deing delivered with you in
4 hours is a bargain in comparison.
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Rudy - 21 Jun 2008 05:23 GMT
> I suspect that you'll pay one way or the other.
> I know of one couple who has taken to sending their essentials
> to their destination by UPS prior to departure

I' ve found the FEDEX is up to HALF the price of UPS for the same
size/wt/ground
jeffreyj - 21 Jun 2008 13:15 GMT
> > I suspect that you'll pay one way or the other.
> > I know of one couple who has taken to sending their essentials
> > to their destination by UPS prior to departure
>
> I' ve found the FEDEX is up to HALF the price of UPS for the same
> size/wt/ground

yeah, Fedex is almost always cheaper than UPS within usa.  And using
Fedex is cheaper than over-baggage fees (within the US).

I'm flying internationally though... germany to san francisco, and ups/
fedex charge a fortune.  I'm already shipping two boxes with the
Deutsche Post by surface mail (which is cheaper than the over-baggage
fees with United).  I just don't have enough extra luggage to justify
mailing a third box, which is why i want to cram it into my carry-on
luggage.

So what happens when they don't check the size of my carry-on at the
check-in desk, but they do check at the boarding gate, and see that
the bag is too big?  will they force me to pay for checked luggage?
what can they do at the gate?
John Kulp - 21 Jun 2008 15:30 GMT
>> > I suspect that you'll pay one way or the other.
>> > I know of one couple who has taken to sending their essentials
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>the bag is too big?  will they force me to pay for checked luggage?
>what can they do at the gate?

Nothing but check it if you get that far.
Rudy - 22 Jun 2008 10:01 GMT
How about taking a lightweight nylon duffle in your carry-on and wearing all
your clothes.  Once onboard, hit the LAV and remove the 3 extra layers and
stick em in the duffle <G>
>>So what happens when they don't check the size of my carry-on at the
check-in desk
William Black - 22 Jun 2008 12:45 GMT
> How about taking a lightweight nylon duffle in your carry-on and wearing
> all your clothes.  Once onboard, hit the LAV and remove the 3 extra layers
> and stick em in the duffle <G>

Nobody will care.

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Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
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jeffreyj - 23 Jun 2008 17:51 GMT
On 22 Jun., 13:45, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:

> > How about taking a lightweight nylon duffle in your carry-on and wearing
> > all your clothes.  Once onboard, hit the LAV and remove the 3 extra layers
> > and stick em in the duffle <G>
>
> Nobody will care.

ok that's good then.  and one more thing, how strict is united about
the checked luggage weight?  i'm allowed 23kg for the international
flight. how much over can I go until I'm charged?
William Black - 23 Jun 2008 18:26 GMT
On 22 Jun., 13:45, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:
> "Rudy" <NoS...@no-onehome.net> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Nobody will care.

ok that's good then.  and one more thing, how strict is united about
the checked luggage weight?  i'm allowed 23kg for the international
flight. how much over can I go until I'm charged?

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In the Far and Middle East,  nothing,  in Europe,  about 3 to 5 Kg depending
on the check-in staff.

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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Binyamin Dissen - 23 Jun 2008 22:47 GMT
:>On 22 Jun., 13:45, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk>
:>wrote:
:>> "Rudy" <NoS...@no-onehome.net> wrote in message

:>> news:Rxo7k.24379$Jx.22595@pd7urf1no...

:>> > How about taking a lightweight nylon duffle in your carry-on and wearing
:>> > all your clothes.  Once onboard, hit the LAV and remove the 3 extra layers
:>> > and stick em in the duffle <G>

:>> Nobody will care.

:>ok that's good then.  and one more thing, how strict is united about
:>the checked luggage weight?  i'm allowed 23kg for the international
:>flight. how much over can I go until I'm charged?

Non-elite? Zero.

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Brian - 24 Jun 2008 01:57 GMT
>Non-elite? Zero.

I had a problem last year flying in business. Fortunately I was able
to move something into a suitcase of my wife's.
William Black - 24 Jun 2008 12:01 GMT
>>Non-elite? Zero.
>
> I had a problem last year flying in business. Fortunately I was able
> to move something into a suitcase of my wife's.

As a general rule,  if you're travelling as a couple,  they'll treat you as
one double load of luggage and not require you to move stuff about.

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Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Binyamin Dissen - 24 Jun 2008 15:03 GMT
:>> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:47:00 +0300, Binyamin Dissen
:>> <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote:

:>>>Non-elite? Zero.

:>> I had a problem last year flying in business. Fortunately I was able
:>> to move something into a suitcase of my wife's.

:>As a general rule,  if you're travelling as a couple,  they'll treat you as
:>one double load of luggage and not require you to move stuff about.

Depends.

At the 50-55 lb level, perhaps.

70+ they get real tight, even if (C). Health issue.

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Brian - 25 Jun 2008 02:34 GMT
>At the 50-55 lb level, perhaps.
>
>70+ they get real tight, even if (C). Health issue.

In Feb. I had portable scale but apparently it didn't measure
correctly and went over the limit but moved some things.
Janet Wilder - 25 Jun 2008 00:54 GMT
>>> Non-elite? Zero.
>> I had a problem last year flying in business. Fortunately I was able
>> to move something into a suitcase of my wife's.
>
> As a general rule,  if you're travelling as a couple,  they'll treat you as
> one double load of luggage and not require you to move stuff about.

...Not my experience on Continental.

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S Viemeister - 25 Jun 2008 02:18 GMT
>>>> Non-elite? Zero.
>>> I had a problem last year flying in business. Fortunately I was able
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>
> ...Not my experience on Continental.

Nor mine, on BA.
William Black - 25 Jun 2008 11:57 GMT
>>>>> Non-elite? Zero.
>>>> I had a problem last year flying in business. Fortunately I was able
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>>
> Nor mine, on BA.

It is mine on BA.

They're obviously as inconsistent as their scales,  which can vary by up to
five Kg...

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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

S Viemeister - 25 Jun 2008 13:42 GMT
>>>> "Brian" <drmorrisnospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Non-elite? Zero.

>>>>> I had a problem last year flying in business. Fortunately I was able
>>>>> to move something into a suitcase of my wife's.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> They're obviously as inconsistent as their scales,  which can vary by up to
> five Kg...

That can really make a difference, when they're weighing carry-ons.
William Black - 25 Jun 2008 13:59 GMT
>>>>> "Brian" <drmorrisnospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>>
> That can really make a difference, when they're weighing carry-ons.

It certainly did for us at Newcastle Airport (UK) last year.

They insisted on weighing the carry-ons and one,  even when almost empty,
was supposedly too heavy.

So I went to another scale and weighed it there,  and found it to be 5Kg
lighter.

They looked confused, apologised and hustled us away from the check-in desk.

These things are used to sell you something and should be checked by the
Trading Standards people just like the scales in your local grocers.

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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

S Viemeister - 25 Jun 2008 14:04 GMT
> They insisted on weighing the carry-ons and one,  even when almost empty,
> was supposedly too heavy.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> These things are used to sell you something and should be checked by the
> Trading Standards people just like the scales in your local grocers.

I've never actually thought about it - I just assumed they'd have to
meet some sort of standard.

Apparently not.
KGB - 27 Jun 2008 17:17 GMT
>> They insisted on weighing the carry-ons and one,  even when almost empty,
>> was supposedly too heavy.
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>
>Apparently not.

Hi

I wonder what would happen if you disputed their reading and produced
a set of portable scales that WERE certified by Trading Standards and
which gave a much lower reading?

Regards
KGB
William Black - 27 Jun 2008 18:07 GMT
>>> They insisted on weighing the carry-ons and one,  even when almost
>>> empty,
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> a set of portable scales that WERE certified by Trading Standards and
> which gave a much lower reading?

If they behaved like most airport staff they'd refuse to allow you to fly
and have you arrested 'on security grounds' if you made a fuss.

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Janet Wilder - 27 Jun 2008 19:39 GMT
>>> They insisted on weighing the carry-ons and one,  even when almost empty,
>>> was supposedly too heavy.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> a set of portable scales that WERE certified by Trading Standards and
> which gave a much lower reading?

You can purchase a hand-held scale from Megellans.
http://www.magellans.com/

That would be so cool to whip out your little scale and duke it out with
the airline trolls. <vbg>

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Larry in AZ - 27 Jun 2008 20:17 GMT
Waiving the right to remain silent, Janet Wilder <kelliepoodle@yahoo.com>
said:

>>>> They insisted on weighing the carry-ons and one,  even when almost
>>>> empty, was supposedly too heavy.
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> That would be so cool to whip out your little scale and duke it out with
> the airline trolls. <vbg>

As you wait six hours for the next available flight...

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mrtravel - 28 Jun 2008 06:55 GMT
> You can purchase a hand-held scale from Megellans.
> http://www.magellans.com/
>
> That would be so cool to whip out your little scale and duke it out with
> the airline trolls. <vbg>

In case of disagreement, which scale do you think would win?
Kurt Ullman - 28 Jun 2008 12:27 GMT
> > You can purchase a hand-held scale from Megellans.
> > http://www.magellans.com/
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> In case of disagreement, which scale do you think would win?

  The ones in the airport are certified by the same weights and
measures people as certify the scales at grocery stores,etc. (You may or
may not find that comforting....grin). So, the airports should win.
William Black - 28 Jun 2008 22:24 GMT
>> > You can purchase a hand-held scale from Megellans.
>> > http://www.magellans.com/
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> measures people as certify the scales at grocery stores,etc. (You may or
> may not find that comforting....grin). So, the airports should win.

Are you quite sure about that?

At Newcastle last year there was a huge difference between the scales
available at the check-in desk.

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Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Kurt Ullman - 28 Jun 2008 22:50 GMT
> >   The ones in the airport are certified by the same weights and
> > measures people as certify the scales at grocery stores,etc. (You may or
> > may not find that comforting....grin). So, the airports should win.
>
> Are you quite sure about that?

  In the US most states require it.

> At Newcastle last year there was a huge difference between the scales
> available at the check-in desk.

 Even here, too. Largely they are certified, used heavily and become
miscalibrated over time until the inspectors show up for the next
inspection. All scales have the same problem to a greater or less extent
depending on how heavily they are used, how close the tolerances have to
be, etc.
Jim Davis - 28 Jun 2008 23:03 GMT
>> >   The ones in the airport are certified by the same weights and
>> > measures people as certify the scales at grocery stores,etc. (You may
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> depending on how heavily they are used, how close the tolerances have to
> be, etc.

Out of curiosity, I googled "airport scale inspection"

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/investigators/story.aspx?content_id=a0caa607-c
04b-4105-b4de-e26be424073b


http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaa071113_lj_airp
orts2.2717e72.html

Gregory Morrow - 28 Jun 2008 18:28 GMT
STFU, troll...

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> > You can purchase a hand-held scale from Megellans.
> > http://www.magellans.com/
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> In case of disagreement, which scale do you think would win?
Janet Wilder - 28 Jun 2008 20:13 GMT
>> You can purchase a hand-held scale from Megellans.
>> http://www.magellans.com/
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> In case of disagreement, which scale do you think would win?

The airline's scale most probably. The mental image of the scale contest
was too interesting to disregard :-)

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John Kulp - 23 Jun 2008 23:48 GMT
>On 22 Jun., 13:45, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk>
>wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>the checked luggage weight?  i'm allowed 23kg for the international
>flight. how much over can I go until I'm charged?

In this day and age, I wouldn't count on any.  You're going to be at
the mercy of whatever agent you get.
 
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