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Travel Forum / Travel Types / Air Travel / July 2008Airline fees: The ultimate guide
Airline fees: The ultimate guide Posted June 25, 2008 at 12:52 pm ET by SmarterTravel.com Staff Airline fees chart (Photo: SmarterTravel.com) http://www.smartertravel.com/blogs/today-in-travel/airline-fees-the-ultimate-gui de.html?id=2623262&source=dealalert&value=2008-06-26+00%3A00%3A00&u=SL4F6B4DC5 Two dollars for a soda? Ten bucks for an aisle seat? If you're confused about which airlines are charging for which "perks," we can help. The editors of SmarterTravel.com, Airfarewatchdog.com, and SeatGuru.com have teamed up to bring you this Ultimate Guide to Airline Fees, a one-stop reference chart for every major fee from every major domestic airline. Best of all, you can download the chart in PDF format at no charge. Because unlike the airlines, we don't make you pay for things that ought to be free. (Editor's Note: The Ultimate Guide to Airfare Fees was last updated on June 26, 2008.) > Airline fees: The ultimate guide > Posted June 25, 2008 at 12:52 pm ET by SmarterTravel.com Staff [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Because unlike the airlines, we don't make you pay for things that > ought to be free. I fail to see any reason at all why a soda on a plane journey should be free. What other similar businesses give them away? tim >> Airline fees: The ultimate guide >> Posted June 25, 2008 at 12:52 pm ET by SmarterTravel.com Staff [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > tim Excellent point. But we're looking "past practice", which was free sodas. People now expect it, and it won't change without opposition. >>> Airline fees: The ultimate guide >>> Posted June 25, 2008 at 12:52 pm ET by SmarterTravel.com Staff [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >Excellent point. But we're looking "past practice", which was free sodas. >People now expect it, and it won't change without opposition. Only Davis the Driveler would think they were free. They were bundled into a fare that paid for them along with the trip cretin. Now, with the fares not covering the costs, they are charged for. As usual, went right over your tiny cerebrum. >>>> Airline fees: The ultimate guide >>>> Posted June 25, 2008 at 12:52 pm ET by SmarterTravel.com Staff [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > the fares not covering the costs, they are charged for. As usual, > went right over your tiny cerebrum. For the Love of Christ man!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give it up. The group is in bad enough shape without your 10 year old bullshit. >For the Love of Christ man!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >Give it up. The group is in bad enough shape without your 10 year old >bullshit. And _thank you_ for allowing me a second opportunity to read his kill filled post. DaveM >>For the Love of Christ man!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>Give it up. The group is in bad enough shape without your 10 year old >>bullshit. > >And _thank you_ for allowing me a second opportunity to read his kill filled >post. Use the "Ignore" action rather then "Mark as Read" or "Delete", this will not only remove offending posts, but their downstream entries too. >>For the Love of Christ man!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>Give it up. The group is in bad enough shape without your 10 year old [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >DaveM What piece of sh.t do you have fro a news reader? Can't you just read the new material without reading the old material? >What piece of sh.t do you have fro a news reader? Same one you use. Only version 4.2. >Can't you just read the new material without reading the old material? Possibly. If I put my hands over the screen and covered the quoted text up, maybe. On the whole, though, I think I prefer DevilsPGD's suggestion of using "Ignore" for the killfilter to cut out the subthread. Not an option for the version 1.9 of this POS news reader, I'm afraid, so you'll have to continue with whatever screen ignoring technique you favour. DaveM >>What piece of sh.t do you have fro a news reader? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >DaveM Doesn't the new response appear in black ink and the old material in light blue ink? >>>What piece of sh.t do you have fro a news reader? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>for the version 1.9 of this POS news reader, I'm afraid, so you'll have to >>continue with whatever screen ignoring technique you favour. >Doesn't the new response appear in black ink and the old material in >light blue ink? Yes, but it's still text. Anyway, this is a digression. The point I was attempting to make was that you don't censure a troll by propagating his posts. DaveM > Two dollars for a soda? Ten bucks for an aisle seat? If you're > confused about which airlines are charging for which "perks," we can > help. There's a very simple way to avoid these garbage fees, but it requires cooperation. I first read about it many years ago. The flight attendants carry very little change. When paying for something costing $2-5 offer a $100 bill and insist that you have nothing smaller. The airline policy is for them to give the the drink, etc. and tell you that they'll come back to collect the money when they have enough change from selling to other passengers. However if enough people use $100 bills they'll never have enough change. I only ever tried this once, when I really only had a $100 bill, and it worked, though I don't know if she just forgot to come back to get the money or if she really never had enough change. >> Two dollars for a soda? Ten bucks for an aisle seat? If you're >> confused about which airlines are charging for which "perks," we can [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > a $100 bill, and it worked, though I don't know if she just forgot to > come back to get the money or if she really never had enough change. No, I couldn't do that. WHY would I want to add to their stress by pulling a stunt like that? It isn't the FA's fault about airline fees. It just is mean spirited, and not honest. Not how I choose to treat others just trying to do their jobs. > >> Two dollars for a soda? Ten bucks for an aisle seat? If you're > >> confused about which airlines are charging for which "perks," we can [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > It just is mean spirited, and not honest. Not how I choose to treat > others just trying to do their jobs. Yup, cabin staff are stressed enough as it is without having to endure infantile stunts like this... And folks wonder why airline employees don't "smile" enough... Common decency and courtesy towards airline staff will help ensure that your trip goes a *lot* smoother, if you act like a dillwad you'll be treated like one. It's elementary common sense and even a "life skill", unfortunately many don't realise this...  SignatureBest Greg >> >> Two dollars for a soda? Ten bucks for an aisle seat? If you're >> >> confused about which airlines are charging for which "perks," we [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > be treated like one. It's elementary common sense and even a "life > skill", unfortunately many don't realise this... A far better strategy is to bring a lot of ones with you and let the flight attendents know you can help them make change. I take between 20 and 50 ones with me and the flight attendents have always been very appreciative. Over the years, I've never had to pay for headsets, have gotten free drinks, and several times the first class meal all while in coach. > A far better strategy is to bring a lot of ones with you and let the > flight > attendents know you can help them make change. I take between 20 and 50 > ones with me and the flight attendents have always been very appreciative. > Over the years, I've never had to pay for headsets, have gotten free > drinks, and several times the first class meal all while in coach. cough-cough-cough-BULLSHIT!-cough-cough. Waiving the right to remain silent, "Buster" <buster@wtc.net> said: >> A far better strategy is to bring a lot of ones with you and let the >> flight attendents know you can help them make change. I take between 20 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > cough-cough-cough-BULLSHIT!-cough-cough. Yeah, no sh.t. As if they'd ever give a first-class meal to someone sitting in coach. There would be a friggen rebellion on board... SignatureLarry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail "A lack of common sense is now considered a disability, with all the privileges that this entails." > Waiving the right to remain silent, "Buster" <buster@wtc.net> said: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Yeah, no sh.t. As if they'd ever give a first-class meal to someone sitting > in coach. There would be a friggen rebellion on board... While I'm never rude to front-line employees of any business, it also doesn't help the consumer if management gets the message that the customers are sheeple willing to accept whatever fees management decides they can get away with, just to avoid doing anything to upset the front line employees. In fact management counts on the basic goodwill of passengers in setting policies, knowing that most passengers loathe the idea of ever challenging anything, since the employees carrying out the policies aren't the one's that implemented them. The latest idea of charging for checked luggage could easily be defeated if enough people silently protest by bringing as much luggage as airline policy allows onto the airplane. It will contribute to lengthy delays as excess cabin luggage needs to be gate checked since there isn't room for every passenger to bring on a rollerboard type suitcase. If they begin to charge for beverages that used to be complimentary, then their are ways to protest that as well. The $100 bill idea, also mentioned in Arthur Hailey's novel _Airport_ isn't really doing anything wrong. Offer to let them take the cash and bring you change whenever they have it. If everyone did this, the airline would get the message about nickel and diming passengers. Personally I think that charging for non-alcoholic beverages isn't going to catch on simply because it would take an inordinate amount of time to collect money from every passenger. Also, if you ever notice employees at snack bars that both handle money and serve food, they have to put on a new set of latex gloves every time they switch between handling money and serving food, even if it's just handling packaged food and pouring beverages, and there's no way that the airline is going to deal with this. >The $100 bill idea, also mentioned in Arthur Hailey's novel _Airport_ >isn't really doing anything wrong. That's because you don't view lying in order to save two bucks as doing anything wrong. >If everyone did this, the >airline would get the message about nickel and diming passengers. Everyone would not do this. I suspect that most normal people find lying to save a few bucks distasteful. >Personally I think that charging for non-alcoholic beverages isn't going >to catch on simply because it would take an inordinate amount of time to >collect money from every passenger. Ryanair and other European discounters do it all the time, no problem. >Also, if you ever notice employees >at snack bars that both handle money and serve food, they have to put on >a new set of latex gloves every time they switch between handling money >and serving food An airplane is not a snack bar. Even now, flight attendants don't put a new set of gloves when they switch between taking money for alcohol and serving food. >>The $100 bill idea, also mentioned in Arthur Hailey's novel _Airport_ >>isn't really doing anything wrong. > > That's because you don't view lying in order to save two bucks as > doing anything wrong. Well, you could do this without lying, just make a point to not have any small change on you. Of course, were I the airline, I'd just switch to an exact-change-only system, without offering any change at all. Another profit center, plus it closes off an avenue to be abusive. Sure glad you buck the system. >>If everyone did this, the >>airline would get the message about nickel and diming passengers. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Ryanair and other European discounters do it all the time, no problem. Indeed., especially once people get trained. >>Also, if you ever notice employees >>at snack bars that both handle money and serve food, they have to put on [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > a new set of gloves when they switch between taking money for alcohol > and serving food. Nor do most waiters or waitresses. >>> The $100 bill idea, also mentioned in Arthur Hailey's novel _Airport_ >>> isn't really doing anything wrong. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > system, without offering any change at all. Another profit center, plus > it closes off an avenue to be abusive. Sure glad you buck the system. Actually, exact change doesn't help much. Unlike proferring a $100 bill, I saw one story on how the response to the nickel and diming by airlines was to pay in nickels and dimes. >>>> The $100 bill idea, also mentioned in Arthur Hailey's novel _Airport_ >>>> isn't really doing anything wrong. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > saw one story on how the response to the nickel and diming by airlines was > to pay in nickels and dimes. And who ends up suffering for it in the end? The FA's. So I guess the next time an FA gets upset & rude, we should just go back and pimp slap the guy in 26B. > And who ends up suffering for it in the end? The FA's. So I guess the next > time an FA gets upset & rude, we should just go back and pimp slap the guy > in 26B. It's a tough job to be on the front line of any business. When you return something to a store and there's a problem it's the clerk at the returns desk that is your contact person, even though they have no say in setting policy or making decisions. What's happening in the airline industry is that management is using and abusing the basic good will of passengers toward employees to foist policies on the public because they know that most people are sheeple and wouldn't dare do anything to protest, no matter how mild or how legal. >>>> The $100 bill idea, also mentioned in Arthur Hailey's novel _Airport_ >>>> isn't really doing anything wrong. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >I saw one story on how the response to the nickel and diming by airlines >was to pay in nickels and dimes. Go for it. Excessive change can be refused just as easily, many businesses already do so. >>>The $100 bill idea, also mentioned in Arthur Hailey's novel _Airport_ >>>isn't really doing anything wrong. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Nor do most waiters or waitresses. Which brings me to another thought. Airport bars and restaurants are always packed with people paying inflated prices for food & drink, but you seldom hear complaints about that. >>> Two dollars for a soda? Ten bucks for an aisle seat? If you're >>> confused about which airlines are charging for which "perks," we can [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >It just is mean spirited, and not honest. Not how I choose to treat >others just trying to do their jobs. Well, you're just not some deadbeat like this guy. He tries to do the same stunt at McDonald's because he thinks they don't have a right to charge him for a Coke either. >There's a very simple way to avoid these garbage fees, but it requires >cooperation. I first read about it many years ago. The flight attendants >carry very little change. When paying for something costing $2-5 offer a >$100 bill and insist that you have nothing smaller. That's a great idea for a con, but why not reach into the flight attendant's purse when she is not looking and grab a few bills? Or help yourself to the till at the check-in counter? That'll show those airlines what you think about their garbage fees. >> There's a very simple way to avoid these garbage fees, but it requires >> cooperation. I first read about it many years ago. The flight attendants [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Or help yourself to the till at the check-in counter? That'll show > those airlines what you think about their garbage fees. Because those would be stealing. Offering to pay with legal tender is not stealing. >>> When paying for something costing $2-5 offer a >>> $100 bill and insist that you have nothing smaller. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Because those would be stealing. Offering to pay with legal tender is >not stealing. No, it's merely lying (``insist that you have nothing smaller''). >> Two dollars for a soda? Ten bucks for an aisle seat? If you're >> confused about which airlines are charging for which "perks," we can [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > a $100 bill, and it worked, though I don't know if she just forgot to > come back to get the money or if she really never had enough change. Do you really need a soda this much? BTW, I use a credit card on AA to buy snacks. Sodas are still free. >> Two dollars for a soda? Ten bucks for an aisle seat? If you're >> confused about which airlines are charging for which "perks," we can [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >a $100 bill, and it worked, though I don't know if she just forgot to >come back to get the money or if she really never had enough change. Yeah, and before long they will change the policy and refuse to serve you if you don't have change. |
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