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Travel Forum / Travel Types / Air Travel / July 2008Filling up the plane's tank...
Since fuel is really cheap in certain parts of the world, like Venzuela or UAE, wouldn't it make sense for a US airline to have long distance routes to those places? They could then fill up the tank really cheaply, at least on one end of the journey. > Since fuel is really cheap in certain parts of the world, like > Venzuela or UAE, wouldn't it make sense for a US airline to have > long distance routes to those places? Not if nobody wants to go there.  SignatureBert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@iphouse.com > Since fuel is really cheap in certain parts of the world, like > Venzuela or UAE, wouldn't it make sense for a US airline to have long > distance routes to those places? They could then fill up the tank > really cheaply, at least on one end of the journey. Much of the "cheap" fuel would be used flying back to the US. The amount left over would not be enormous. Furthermore, "tankering" (which is what the practice is called) makes the aircraft heavier than it needs to be (fuel for aircraft is sold by weight not volume) which means it uses more fuel for a given flight leaving even less for onward operation. You also have to be careful not to overload the aircraft for the landing - an aircraft has a maximum take off weight but a noticeable lower maximum landing weight. Despite all that airlines DO tanker. A couple of years ago the main terminal providing fuel to London Heathrow burned. The airlines were forced to tanker fuel into Heathrow because otherwise there would not have been enough fuel to operate out. Even so, some flights were cancelled or had to make a fuel stop en route. I wasn't suggesting tankering, but really just running flights with regular fillups to places with cheap fuel. The airline buys expensive fuel here for the trip to that country, but then gets to buy cheap fuel for the return. Maybe the cheaper fuel would make that flight more cost effective, and the airline could promote tourism to that country to fill up the flight. >I wasn't suggesting tankering, but really just running flights with > regular fillups to places with cheap fuel. The airline buys expensive > fuel here for the trip to that country, but then gets to buy cheap > fuel for the return. Maybe the cheaper fuel would make that flight > more cost effective, and the airline could promote tourism to that > country to fill up the flight. Been to Venezuela? Not much of a tourist haven, especially for norteamericanos. Interesting.........I think it would be easier for them to send a oil tanker ship......and ship the cheap fuel back to the states. ---- http://www.moviesitearchive.com/travel > Since fuel is really cheap in certain parts of the world, like > Venzuela or UAE, wouldn't it make sense for a US airline to have long > distance routes to those places? They could then fill up the tank > really cheaply, at least on one end of the journey. >Interesting.........I think it would be easier for them to send a oil >tanker ship......and ship the cheap fuel back to the states. Yeah brilliant. Start sending planes empty because there is no demand to be filled by these airlines to places that sell fuel more cheaply because they are gouging everyone else to give them even more money. What a plan!! >---- >http://www.moviesitearchive.com/travel [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> distance routes to those places? =A0They could then fill up the tank >> really cheaply, at least on one end of the journey. On our return cruise from Hawaii to San Diego, R.C.I. made a stop in Ensenada Mexico just to fuel up. Americans are now going to Tijuana to purchase gas, so I am assuming the cruise line saves $$ in filling up there. > On our return cruise from Hawaii to San Diego, R.C.I. made a stop in > Ensenada Mexico just to fuel up. Americans are now going to Tijuana to > purchase gas, so I am assuming the cruise line saves $$ in filling up > there. Much more easily done with a form of transportation based on leisure & luxury. Passengers don't mind a short stop. Try explaining an additional stop to a hundred people who are stuffed into an aluminum tube. Not to mention being a bit out of the way, on a flight from Portland to NY. > On our return cruise from Hawaii to San Diego, R.C.I. made a stop in > Ensenada Mexico just to fuel up. Americans are now going to Tijuana to > purchase gas, so I am assuming the cruise line saves $$ in filling up > there. Whether or not they bunker fuel oil in Ensenada is secondary. The "Jones Act" prohibits non U.S. flag carriers from traveling directly between U.S. ports - it is the same law that prevents foreign flag airlines from flying between U.S. cities. Royal Caribbean's ships are all registered outside of the United States so they have to stop at a non U.S. port. Ensenada is just the closest one to San Diego or Los Angeles. If diesel is cheaper there, they may well fill up, but that's not the reason for the stop. Jeff > Whether or not they bunker fuel oil in Ensenada is secondary. The > "Jones Act" prohibits non U.S. flag carriers from traveling directly > between U.S. ports - it is the same law that prevents foreign flag > airlines from flying between U.S. cities. A minor point, but while some provisions of the Merchant Marine Act of 1920 (Jones Act) apply to passenger vessels, it is actually the Passenger Vessel Services Act of 1886 that prohibits passenger cabotage. The two are somewhat interrelated, but the Jones Act primarily applies to cargo. The two acts are often confused. An example of a discussion of the subject: http://beyondships.blogspot.com/2008/06/it-is-time-to-repeal-passenger-vessel.html > On our return cruise from Hawaii to San Diego, R.C.I. made a stop in > Ensenada Mexico just to fuel up. Americans are now going to Tijuana to > purchase gas, so I am assuming the cruise line saves $$ in filling up > there. No, your ship made a stop in Ensenado due to cabotage. > > On our return cruise from Hawaii to San Diego, R.C.I. made a stop in > > Ensenada Mexico just to fuel up. Americans are now going to Tijuana to > > purchase gas, so I am assuming the cruise line saves $$ in filling up > > there. > > No, your ship made a stop in Ensenado due to cabotage. Somebody messed with the lettuce? |
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