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Is there a website / map that shows what *actual* route BA fly BA0287 from LHR - SFO ? Just interested in what I'll be flying over !!  SignatureCheerz - Brownz '89 K100RS '53 JCW MCS (Cage) http://www.brownz.org/ > Is there a website / map that shows what *actual* route BA fly BA0287 from > LHR - SFO ? > Just interested in what I'll be flying over !! There are sites that will show you where you went but none that I am aware of that will tell you in advance. I've done that route several times and going west I've entered the US somewhere near Chicago, South of Winnipeg and between Vancouver and Seattle (that was spectacular going down the range of mountains that includes Mt St Helens) that I can remember. In general terms you'll head up across the UK then Greenland, Hudsons Bay and so on. Coming back the route tends to be further south and usually I've come across the US to cross into Canada in northern Michigan then up the St Lawrence, south of Greenland and usually over Northern Ireland and Merseyside. Here is the route for today. http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightTracker/flightTracker.do?id=134071625&airlin eCode=BA&flightNumber=287 >> Is there a website / map that shows what *actual* route BA fly >> BA0287 from LHR - SFO ? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Here is the route for today. > http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightTracker/flightTracker.do?id=134071625&airlin eCode=BA&flightNumber=287 Cool - Ta. Never flown direct to the West Coast so was interested to see which way it would go. Cheers. SignatureCheerz - Brownz '89 K100RS '53 JCW MCS (Cage) http://www.brownz.org/ On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:22:36 +0100, "Brownz \(Mobile\)" <someone.not@microsoft.com> wrote: >Is there a website / map that shows what *actual* route BA fly BA0287 from >LHR - SFO ? >Just interested in what I'll be flying over !! I've flown that route several times. It goes up by james Bay/Hudson Bay, over northern Greenland then from the northwest into LHR. I was rather startled the first time I did it SFO->LHR to find ourselves directly over Wndsor Castle. Signature************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * > On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:22:36 +0100, "Brownz \(Mobile\)" > <someone.not@microsoft.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > into LHR. I was rather startled the first time I did it SFO->LHR > to find ourselves directly over Wndsor Castle. Why? Everyone knows they built it to close to the airport... Signature(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate -www.davidhorne.net (email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about. Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins > > On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:22:36 +0100, "Brownz \(Mobile\)" > > <someone.not@microsoft.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Everyone knows they built it to close to the airport... We went to WC before our taking off from LHR a few weeks ago. Having flown into Reagan Nat'l a couple of time with it rather circutious route, I was surprised that they let the jets fly over the castle like that . > We went to WC before our taking off from LHR a few weeks ago. > Having flown into Reagan Nat'l a couple of time with it rather > circutious route, I was surprised that they let the jets fly over the > castle like that . Why would that be an issue? King George doesn't live in the UK > > We went to WC before our taking off from LHR a few weeks ago. > > Having flown into Reagan Nat'l a couple of time with it rather [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Why would that be an issue? > King George doesn't live in the UK But the Queen would also be a very high value target. Besides the Reagan Nat'l approach predates 9-11 and GW by a couple decades. >> > We went to WC before our taking off from LHR a few weeks ago. >> > Having flown into Reagan Nat'l a couple of time with it rather [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Besides the Reagan Nat'l approach predates 9-11 and GW by a couple > decades. Windsor Castle is largely a ceremonial place these days. Yes the Queen (and other members of the family) do live there sometimes but by no means all the time. If you look at the approach that come over central London the number of possible targets is enormous. Windsor pales into insignificance. On Jul 29, 10:22 pm, "Brownz \(Mobile\)" <someone....@microsoft.com> wrote: > Is there a website / map that shows what *actual* route BA fly BA0287 from > LHR - SFO ? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > '89 K100RS > '53 JCW MCS (Cage)http://www.brownz.org/ Of course the route depends on the weather and the head winds. One time I had one of my most interesting flights ever. We flew over the Outer Hebrides, Iceland, central Greenland (the black cliffs which look like bites have been taken out of them and the contrasting strong pure white snow is excellent, and it's interesting to see how clouds are not white but pale gray when compared to the Ice Cap), across Disco Bay, Greenland, the Canadian arctic islands, and then along the canadian Rockies in Alberta crossing into the US at Idaho (a fairly small target!) and then down the coast with every snow capped volcano in sight from the Canadian border on south. Much more interesting than routes further south, although the ice pack off of the tip of southern Greenland can be interesting if you've never seen it before. It was almost enough to get me to give up aisle seats!!!! George > On Jul 29, 10:22 pm, "Brownz \(Mobile\)" <someone....@microsoft.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > southern Greenland can be interesting if you've never seen it before. > It was almost enough to get me to give up aisle seats!!!! Heh, when I fly I've always got to have a window seat, can't stand being stuck in an aisle. Just what I'm used to I suppose. SignatureCheerz - Brownz '89 K100RS '53 JCW MCS (Cage) http://www.brownz.org/ Waiving the right to remain silent, "Brownz \(Mobile\)" <someone.not@microsoft.com> said: > Heh, when I fly I've always got to have a window seat, can't stand being > stuck in an aisle. Sleeping is easier in a window seat, and you don't get your arm constantly clobbered by the drink carts and fat people. SignatureLarry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail "A lack of common sense is now considered a disability, with all the privileges that this entails." >> On Jul 29, 10:22 pm, "Brownz \(Mobile\)" <someone....@microsoft.com> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Just what I'm used to I suppose. You might also be interested in http://oak.webtrak-lochard.com/template/index.html Although it's for Oakland you can see the routes into SFO as well. You will probably find that you will come to a place called Point Reyes (about 30 miles north of San Francisco) at about 20000ft then drift gently down to about 12000 as you approach the city. After that things get a bit more interesting as the plane crosses the airport at about 10000 and then proceeds down the bay turning round to come back up the bay, across the San Mateo bridge in pretty short order. The two runways (28L+28R) at SFO are very closely spaced and there is every chance they will be doing parallel landings with another aircraft just off your wing. I've never done a different approach although my wife did once land on 19 coming down over Oakland when her brother was flying the aircraft. Departures tend to use the other two runways of the + with two aircraft (1L+1R) departing in between two arriving aircraft. If you're interested in that kind of thing drive just south of the airport to Coyote Point, park up and watch the fun. There's a quite nice museum there too. >>> On Jul 29, 10:22 pm, "Brownz \(Mobile\)" <someone....@microsoft.com> >>> wrote: >>>> Is there a website / map that shows what *actual* route BA fly >>>> BA0287 from LHR - SFO ? >>>> Just interested in what I'll be flying over !! >You might also be interested in >http://oak.webtrak-lochard.com/template/index.html Although it's for [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >my wife did once land on 19 coming down over Oakland when her brother was >flying the aircraft. if you're interested in the overall route, get a globe and a peice of string and pull the string taut between SFO and LHR. This is he great circle route and the one the pilots will try to approximate as closely as practical. If you fly SFO->LHR in the summer, and since BA has an evening departure, an oddity is that as you begin the main part of the flight the sun is low off the west wing of the plane as sunset approaches. The sun remains off the left wing for the rest of the flight until you get to England the next morning, where it remains off the left wing, but it is now rising. Signature************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * > if you're interested in the overall route, get a globe and a > peice of string and pull the string taut between SFO and LHR. > This is he great circle route and the one the pilots will try to > approximate as closely as practical. Or, join the computer age and go to http://gc.kls2.com/ and let the computer pull the string for you. Keep in mind, though, that the great circle shortest route is rarely the actual route flown, due to weather, traffic and geopolitical concerns. cheers, Henry >> if you're interested in the overall route, get a globe and a >> peice of string and pull the string taut between SFO and LHR. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >and let the computer pull the string for you. I obviously misspoke in another post; the path goes over southern, not northern, Greenland. It's all white, all looksa same. >Keep in mind, though, that the great circle shortest route is rarely the >actual route flown, due to weather, traffic and geopolitical concerns. There aren't many geopolitical concerns between SFO and LHR. I don't believe the flight even passes over Eire. I've made the flight back and forth about six times and it's always been the same. The flight seems to be high enough that weather isn't a big consideration. And there are very few direct flights from SFO to the UK, so traffic isn't a big consideration except in the Bay Area and approaching the British Isles. Signature************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * > >Keep in mind, though, that the great circle shortest route is rarely the > >actual route flown, due to weather, traffic and geopolitical concerns. > > I've made the flight back and forth about six times and it's > always been the same. It's more likely, in fact, that no two of your six flights back and forth between SFO and LHR have ever been exactly 'the same'. Given the speed of the big jets and the great distance involved in such a flight, even a minor course correction implemented for whatever reason here or there along the route can take the airplane significantly off the perfect great circle path, as the flight tracker to which Graham Harrison links earlier in this thread clearly shows. cheers, Henry >> >Keep in mind, though, that the great circle shortest route is rarely the >> >actual route flown, due to weather, traffic and geopolitical concerns. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >It's more likely, in fact, that no two of your six flights back and >forth between SFO and LHR have ever been exactly 'the same'. Well, hell, no two things are *exactly* the same. What's your point here? >Given the speed of the big jets and the great distance involved in such >a flight, even a minor course correction implemented for whatever reason >here or there along the route can take the airplane significantly off >the perfect great circle path, as the flight tracker to which Graham >Harrison links earlier in this thread clearly shows. Which is why I said in my first post: "This is the great circle route and the one the pilots will try to approximate as closely as practical." Signature************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * > >> I've made the flight back and forth about six times and it's > >> always been the same. > Well, hell, no two things are *exactly* the same. What's your > point here? Well, hell -- what does 'the same' mean to you? Are two things 'the same' if they are _not_ the same? No. Then we would call them 'almost the same', or 'similar'. But you didn't say 'every time I have flown that route, the path has been similar'. You said 'it has always been the same'. > Which is why I said in my first post: > > "This is the great circle route and the one the pilots will try > to approximate as closely as practical." Which is why I noted that, try as they might, the pilots will never be able to do more than approximate that route, and it thus will never be the 'actual route' about which the OP inquired. cheers, Henry >>> On Jul 29, 10:22 pm, "Brownz \(Mobile\)" <someone....@microsoft.com> >>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > in that kind of thing drive just south of the airport to Coyote Point, > park up and watch the fun. There's a quite nice museum there too. If you access the webtrak site and choose replay, rather than live in the bottom right then set the date to yesterday (29th) and the time to 1610 you'll see where the 287 went yesterday. You might want to set the replay speed up a bit. >>>> On Jul 29, 10:22 pm, "Brownz \(Mobile\)" >>>> <someone....@microsoft.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > to 1610 you'll see where the 287 went yesterday. You might want to > set the replay speed up a bit. Cool. Busy bit of airspace ! SignatureCheerz - Brownz '89 K100RS '53 JCW MCS (Cage) http://www.brownz.org/ On Jul 30, 7:42 pm, "Brownz \(Mobile\)" <someone....@microsoft.com> wrote: -----snipped------ > > It was almost enough to get me to give up aisle seats!!!! > > Heh, when I fly I've always got to have a window seat, can't stand being > stuck in an aisle. > > Just what I'm used to I suppose. The aisle seat with the legs extended into the aisle beats the other alternative, chopping off your legs to fit! George > On Jul 30, 7:42 pm, "Brownz \(Mobile\)" <someone....@microsoft.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The aisle seat with the legs extended into the aisle beats the other > alternative, chopping off your legs to fit! Not a problem when you're *this* short ! SignatureCheerz - Brownz '89 K100RS '53 JCW MCS (Cage) http://www.brownz.org/ > Heh, when I fly I've always got to have a window seat, can't stand being > stuck in an aisle. > > Just what I'm used to I suppose. Being stuck in a window seat on a long haul flight would be hell for me - I have to be able to get up and walk around at any time of the day or night... Just as well there are people who think differently though... > Heh, when I fly I've always got to have a window seat, can't stand being > stuck in an aisle. LOL "stuck" in an aisle. >> Heh, when I fly I've always got to have a window seat, can't stand >> being stuck in an aisle. > > LOL "stuck" in an aisle. As in not being able to choose a window seat when checking in, not literally being *stuck* in an aisle seat. SignatureCheerz - Brownz '89 K100RS '53 JCW MCS (Cage) http://www.brownz.org/ On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 19:01:50 +0100, "Brownz \(Mobile\)" <someone.not@microsoft.com> wrote: >>> Heh, when I fly I've always got to have a window seat, can't stand >>> being stuck in an aisle. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >As in not being able to choose a window seat when checking in, not literally >being *stuck* in an aisle seat. Please don't confuse Mr Travel with someone who has a sense of humour. HTH > Is there a website / map that shows what *actual* route BA fly BA0287 from > LHR - SFO ? > Just interested in what I'll be flying over !! http://flightaware.com/live/findflight/EGLL/KSFO will show the flight routes most recently flown. You may need assistance decoding the acribic route codes. Right now the flights are heading way up over Northern Canada to avoid the jetstreams and low pressure areas. Alternatively, doesn't the onboard flight info have a moving map between the movies? And BTW, for the best view of Greenland and BAffin Island, sit on the RH side on the flight to SFO. That way, you'll upset the people watching the movies less when you open the window blind, and not have the sun in your face. > > Is there a website / map that shows what *actual* route BA fly BA0287 from > > LHR - SFO ? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > the movies less when you open the window blind, and not have the sun in > your face. The view from the right hand side is certainly the best, that way you will see all of the Cascade volcanoes if that far west. It's amazing that people would choose to watch a possibly bad movie they wouldn't even rent for less than a $1 than look out the window at the magnificent scenery. People pay hundreds of dollars for flight- seeing, and here you're given as good for no additional cost! George <snip> The view from the right hand side is certainly the best, that way you will see all of the Cascade volcanoes if that far west. <snip/> The one time I went that far west on the way to SFO the Volcanoes were on the left. It really is a bit of chance quite where you go on a given day as the winds aloft change. It's also worth knowing that although the Atlantic routes vary day by day on any given day specific routes are promulgated. One of the few benefits of flying United is Channel 9 on the IFE system which (if the pilot turns it on) allows you to listen to ATC. I remember listening as the controller over Hudsons Bay tried to keep us slow enough (in a 777) not to overtake an AF A340 ahead of us as we both followed the same North Atlantic track and then filtered into the Canadian airway system. >>> Is there a website / map that shows what *actual* route BA fly BA0287 from >>> LHR - SFO ? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > The view from the right hand side is certainly the best, that way you > will see all of the Cascade volcanoes if that far west. I was thinking more of been dazzled by the sun on the LH side, but you could be right. > It's amazing that people would choose to watch a possibly bad movie > they wouldn't even rent for less than a $1 than look out the window at > the magnificent scenery. People pay hundreds of dollars for flight- > seeing, and here you're given as good for no additional cost! > > George I couldn't agree with you more- some passengers actually seem to hate what's going on outside, like have you ever been sitting in the aisle seat and just as you're flying over the Greenland coastline, the nerd in the window seat pulls the blind down so he can watch the cartoons?? Sheeet.. > I couldn't agree with you more- some passengers actually seem to hate > what's going on outside, like have you ever been sitting in the aisle seat > and just as you're flying over the Greenland coastline, the nerd in the > window seat pulls the blind down so he can watch the cartoons?? > Sheeet.. I've been in flights where the flight attendants have *ordered* everyone to pull the blinds down! > > I couldn't agree with you more- some passengers actually seem to hate > > what's going on outside, like have you ever been sitting in the aisle seat [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I've been in flights where the flight attendants have *ordered* everyone to > pull the blinds down! I've been too. I just leave my window open and cover it and my head with a blanket. After all, if I'm forced to have the discomfort of sitting in a window seat, I at least should get something out of it! This type of thing has really gotten out of hand. On my last two group trips down the Colorado River below Hoover Dam outside of Las Vegas, they immediately began to show movies on the BUS while heading back!!!!! The trip isn't even long enough to show the start of a movie. When I used to fly on one of the Mideastern airlines, I believe Gulf Air, they used to have a camera mounted looking down and forward which you could view the output on your individual screens. I wonder what happened to it, or it may be around and I now fly the much worse western airlines which don't have all the goodies. George >>> I couldn't agree with you more- some passengers actually seem to hate >>> what's going on outside, like have you ever been sitting in the aisle seat [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > George Yes, Emirates have that as well, great for checking whether the pilot has his act together on final approach.. It's almost as good as playing Flight Simulator. Gosh, if they'd just give us a joystick as well, I'm sure I could land this A380 from my seat in 54J in the event the pilots all took that pacific prawn menu for lunch. > Is there a website / map that shows what *actual* route BA fly BA0287 from > LHR - SFO ? > Just interested in what I'll be flying over !! Does anyone know the exact route of the UA804 flight from NRT to IAD? Is it a polar route? I'm flying that segment in late October when I return from Taiwan. SignatureAndy P. Jung Metairie, Louisiana U.S.A. (on the Western side of the now infamous 17th Street Canal) http://www.JungWorld.com/ To reply via e-mail, please visit my web site. >> Is there a website / map that shows what *actual* route BA fly BA0287 from >> LHR - SFO ? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > a polar route? > I'm flying that segment in late October when I return from Taiwan. For both of these, FlightAware should have them; in both a pictorial map and the actual route from airport to airport. Just be sure to use the ICAO code for the airline and you should find it. BL. - -- Brad Littlejohn | Email: tyketto@sbcglobal.net Unix Systems Administrator, | tyketto@ozemail.com.au Web + NewsMaster, BOFH.. Smeghead! :) | http://www.wizard.com/~tyketto PGP: 1024D/E319F0BF 6980 AAD6 7329 E9E6 D569 F620 C819 199A E319 F0BF > Is there a website / map that shows what *actual* route BA fly BA0287 > from LHR - SFO ? > Just interested in what I'll be flying over !! Doh..... I had to give up my window seat, but I wasn't that dissapointed. Checked in online (11K World Traveller Plus). Checked 1 bag at LHR. Did security then had a bite to eat. Went to the gate and went up when WTP rows were called. The nice lady checked my passport and started typing some stuff on her terminal and was taking a bit of time. I commented "Whats up, have you run out of seats ?" "No Mr Brown, I'm about to make you a happy man" http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=47906&l=5cc9d&id=715546495 Result !! SignatureCheerz - Brownz '89 K100RS '53 JCW MCS (Cage) http://www.brownz.org/ |
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