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Travel Forum / Travel Types / Air Travel / August 2008Why Not Natural Gas As Airplane Fuel ?
too combustible stuff is very dangerous liquified it doesn't have the ooomph w/o tres cher dangerous additives so, neverminddddd > too combustible > stuff is very dangerous liquified > it doesn't have the ooomph w/o tres cher dangerous additives > so, neverminddddd Most people don't quite know what jet fuel is like. > > too combustible > > stuff is very dangerous liquified > > it doesn't have the ooomph w/o tres cher dangerous additives > > so, neverminddddd > > Most people don't quite know what jet fuel is like. sort of kerosene (smells like it) ? On Aug 18, 5:48 pm, "Jim Davis" <sky.danc...@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Robert Cohen" <robtco...@msn.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Most people don't quite know what jet fuel is like. >sort of kerosene (smells like it) ? Basically a modified diesel fuel. Not as highly volatile as people think. > On Aug 18, 5:48 pm, "Jim Davis" <sky.danc...@yahoo.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Basically a modified diesel fuel. Not as highly volatile as people think. okay: vat the h is our prob--sounds like a slam dunk if it's just souped up or down diesel that runs jet engines too? is it that difficult/unfeasible for General Electric-Boeing etal to adapt and/or make natural gas propulsion (whatever) what if society pretends there's a "war" going on: because that's what is happening economically-politically if not by direct violence Aren't changing or overhauling engines routine maintenance most airplanes aren't young i must skeptically doubt that "natural gas works," because united parcel freight planes woulda done it already, as per their trucks (which also aren't so dang loud-annoying as they used to be) On Aug 19, 4:02 pm, "Jim Davis" <sky.danc...@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Robert Cohen" <robtco...@msn.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >> Basically a modified diesel fuel. Not as highly volatile as people think. >okay: vat the h is our prob--sounds like a slam dunk if it's just >souped up or down diesel that runs jet engines too? >is it that difficult/unfeasible for General Electric-Boeing etal to >adapt and/or make natural gas propulsion (whatever) >what if society pretends there's a "war" going on: because that's >what is happening economically-politically if not by direct violence >Aren't changing or overhauling engines routine maintenance >most airplanes aren't young >i must skeptically doubt that "natural gas works," because united >parcel freight planes woulda done it already, as per their trucks >(which also aren't so dang loud-annoying as they used to be) Here's some info on the different types of jet fuel. http://www.csgnetwork.com/jetfuel.html What I really wanna know is why we don't see more coal-fired aircraft.... (Oh, OK.....:-).....THERE, are ya happy now?) Bob M. > What I really wanna know is why we don't see > more coal-fired aircraft.... I'm waiting for the nukes. > > What I really wanna know is why we don't see > > more coal-fired aircraft.... > > I'm waiting for the nukes. in the middle of the 20th century---i am not making this up--nitro glycerin (dynamite) was joked amongst neighbor kids as the way to really speed this part i am making-up: apparently a party was caught (maybe killed) using it at the local race track, how would they know about it if people weren't experimenting with it so, it immediately (and STP) came to mind when i was thinking "additives" > too combustible - citation? > stuff is very dangerous liquified - citation? > it doesn't have the ooomph w/o tres cher dangerous additives - citation? > so, neverminddddd >> too combustible - citation? >> stuff is very dangerous liquified - citation? >> it doesn't have the ooomph w/o tres cher dangerous additives - citation? >> so, neverminddddd Natural gas simply doesnt have as much energy content per kilogram as avgas (aviation gasoline) or the various types of jet fuel. It could be done, but probably not economically.  Signature************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * > too combustible > stuff is very dangerous liquified > it doesn't have the ooomph w/o tres cher dangerous additives > so, neverminddddd Here's another link I just found. A380 superjumbo in natural-gas powered test flight. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/04/a380_synthetic_gas_fuel_test/ > > too combustible > > stuff is very dangerous liquified [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Here's another link I just found. > A380 superjumbo in natural-gas powered test flight.http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/04/a380_synthetic_gas_fuel_test/ Thanks, it's good to know they are trying alternatives: and a 40% "synthetic" stuff---60% jet fuel mixture works If they "merely" modified the engine perhaps they could use 100% natural gas, which has got to be less expensive than jet fuel (i would think "less expensive" and domestically plentiully available) Theose "additives" sound like some of the stuff (dry gas) i often generously dumped into my '86 Dodge Ram B-250 van's gas tank mainly to seemingly dry out the moisture but maybe it helped other things too. It actually seemed to work, because I would otherwise have a harder time with starting it in the 1990s, but then i finally sold it via e- bay for only $400 to a guy in Savannah and the price of an Air Tran back ticket to the Atlanta area. I would have kept it, but it was so ratty-looking my wife didn't want the ugly embarrassment in the driveway. Why not use passenger flatuence? The plane would never run out of fuel if they fed the pasengers the right food! On Aug 26, 3:38 pm, GadgetWo...@webtv.net wrote: > Why not use passenger flatuence? > > The plane would never run out of fuel if they fed the pasengers the > right food! Did you plagarize that joke from the Mel Brooks Collection ? He did that semi-terrific mock cowboy-astronaut-circus freak- Hitchcockian movie BLAZING SADDLES--SPACE BALLS--ELEPHANT MAN--HIGH ANXIETY in which the burp-tagonists consumed baked beans around a campfire to fulfill a similar corn-flakey adolescent joke* *not that there's anything gauche about that No this is not a joke! While much of our farm prducts are being used for bio fuels, why not use the waste AFTER the products are digested. Everyone knows how explosive digestive gas is, so is the manure, dung etc. Who needs expensive imported fuel, when we make it ourselves! On Aug 26, 10:30 pm, GadgetWo...@webtv.net wrote: > No this is not a joke! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Who needs expensive imported fuel, when we make it ourselves! alternative bad punchlines to be swiftly rejected by READER'S DISGUST: Feed the mooches (passengers) wth chili and unrefrigerated mayonaise Filler-up with roto rooter septic tank truck methyl Super Toilet Bowl Commercial: "at Pratty & Whitt, your feces is our most important ingredient" > No this is not a joke! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Who needs expensive imported fuel, when we make it ourselves! The problems with digestive gas is how do you capture them. The methane from manure decompisition can be used on farms for various uses. The problem there is more along the lines of amount of available methane makes it unlikely most can use it for much more than local needs. Of course, every gallon of oil you don't use on a particular farm... No Problem The methane gas is collected by a small pipe that the passenger sits on in his seat. If the passenger fails to contribute his or her quota he is charged a fuel surgharge at the end of the fight. > No Problem > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > yeah and if there turbulence and hemorhoids or worse result, you gonna pay for the law suits (g). >>No Problem >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > yeah and if there turbulence and hemorhoids or worse result, you gonna > pay for the law suits (g). Are these the suits that lawyers wear? |
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