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Travel Forum / Travel Types / Air Travel / August 2008Vietnam Airlines passenger sets off emergency slide
Please read the news below and advise if the emergency door can be opened just by touching the handle. What is the credibility of the story. Should this forum is not for such discussion then please accept my apology Hanh ___________________________________________________________ From http://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking_news_detail.asp?id=2138 Vietnam Airlines passenger sets off emergency slide (08-07 19:35) A Vietnam Airlines passenger faces a fine after he set off the inflatable emergency slide of a parked Airbus A321 at Taipei's airport last weekend, state media reported. Cabin crew discovered the device had been released shortly before the jet was to fly to Hanoi, the VN Express online newspaper reported. Vietnamese passenger Le Van Hanh, 26, triggered the device when he touched the emergency handle on one of the exit doors, the report said. Hanh on Thursday met Vietnamese aviation authorities in Hanoi to sign a paper committing him to pay a fine of up to 50 million dong (HK $23,409). ''The incident happened because the air hostess did not provide me with a thorough explanation,'' Hanh was quoted as saying. ``I touched [the door] by accident, not deliberately.'' > Please read the news below and advise if the emergency door can be > opened just by touching the handle. What is the credibility of the > story. On the ground in an unpressurized aircraft, it is certainly possible to deploy an emergency slide by _moving_ (not just touching) the door handle, if the slide is armed (e.g., if the door is set to automatic). I don't know the specifics of the A321, but this is true more or less for most jet airliners. An irate or stupid passenger could thus open the door before a flight begins, after the doors are armed, and deploy the slide. >> Please read the news below and advise if the emergency door can be >> opened just by touching the handle. What is the credibility of the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > begins, > after the doors are armed, and deploy the slide. But the door slide is not armed until the aircraft starts to move. It is not possible to open the door, much less deploy the slide, simply by touching the handle. For the slide to deploy the door has to be opened (handle has to be moved and the door manouvered open) and then either the person opening the door has to pull a second handle to deploy the slide or (more usually) the door has to have been previously set so that the slide will deploy automatically when opened (know as "arming the door"). Typically, as the aircraft starts to move the doors are "armed"; they remain in that state until just before the aircraft arrives at the terminal. You've probably heard words similar to "doors to automatic and cross check" as you move away from the terminal - that's the crew being told to arm the doors. There have been very rare instances of the slide deploying without the door opening. This would almost certainly lead to some injuries as the slide tries to fill the cabin. > But the door slide is not armed until the aircraft starts to move. Maybe he tried to open it while they aircraft was on the taxiway (?). > It is not possible to open the door, much less deploy the slide, simply by > touching the handle. Agreed. > For the slide to deploy the door has to be opened (handle has to be moved > and the door manouvered open) and then either the person opening the door [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > to "doors to automatic and cross check" as you move away from the terminal - > that's the crew being told to arm the doors. So maybe the aircraft was already moving when he operated the door. Or there's an error in the report. > There have been very rare instances of the slide deploying without the door > opening. This would almost certainly lead to some injuries as the slide > tries to fill the cabin. Wasn't it Obama's chartered airplane that recently had to make an emergency landing because a slide or raft had deployed inside the aircraft and interfered with control cables? > Please read the news below and advise if the emergency door can be > opened just by touching the handle. What is the credibility of the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > From http://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking_news_detail.asp?id=2138 Why on earth would you touch the handle at all? Doesn't have big a red "do not touch" sign? So is the fine really 50 million dong? It says "up to," so I suspect you'll be able to negotiate your way out. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore > Why on earth would you touch the handle at all? Doesn't have big a red "do > not touch" sign? No, it doesn't. > So is the fine really 50 million dong? It says "up to," so I suspect you'll > be able to negotiate your way out. The amount of $23,000 mentioned is just about the cost of restowing the slide/raft. >> Why on earth would you touch the handle at all? Doesn't have big a red >> "do >> not touch" sign? > > No, it doesn't. Oh what, is it a brass handle that says "Knock and enter"? >> So is the fine really 50 million dong? It says "up to," so I suspect >> you'll >> be able to negotiate your way out. > > The amount of $23,000 mentioned is just about the cost of restowing the > slide/raft. No, it's the cost to him of not putting him in prison until he atones for his foolish action. I've been on dozens of VN flights .. the passengers paw and grab at everything and everyone. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore > Oh what, is it a brass handle that says "Knock and enter"? Usually something like "Emergency use only" or "Exit." > No, it's the cost to him of not putting him in prison until he atones for > his foolish action. I've been on dozens of VN flights .. the passengers paw > and grab at everything and everyone. It's also pretty close to the cost of stowing the raft/slide. They are very expensive to put back into service. >> Oh what, is it a brass handle that says "Knock and enter"? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > very > expensive to put back into service. I saw one being packed at the UAL base in San Francisco many years ago. It's a slow and surprisingly skilled process although I found it difficult not to equate it to a maid trying to lace her mistress into a corset in the Victorian era. > I've been on dozens of VN flights .. the passengers paw > and grab at everything and everyone. Great. Why don't they walk into the pilot's cabin in mid-flight and start playing with the controls?  SignatureAlfred Molon http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe >> I've been on dozens of VN flights .. the passengers paw >> and grab at everything and everyone. > > Great. Why don't they walk into the pilot's cabin in mid-flight and > start playing with the controls? I remember one aggressive business-class passenger on a HAN-HKG flight demanding that his son be allowed to sit in the cockpit. The Zimbabwean pilot declined, even though his Vietnamese co-pilot said refusal would bring trouble. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore > I remember one aggressive business-class passenger on a HAN-HKG flight > demanding that his son be allowed to sit in the cockpit. The Zimbabwean > pilot declined, even though his Vietnamese co-pilot said refusal would bring > trouble. Luckily I don't travel so often in Vietnam. By the way, will you be in Bangalore in the first half of October? SignatureAlfred Molon http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe >> I remember one aggressive business-class passenger on a HAN-HKG flight >> demanding that his son be allowed to sit in the cockpit. The Zimbabwean [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > By the way, will you be in Bangalore in the first half of October? Oh, Vietnam's not so bad for travelling, really - easier than India in some ways. And a few landings in a Lao Aviation ATR-72 make you pine for Vietnam Airlines. (Just like Bouraq and Mandala made me appreciate Garuda's professionalism). I imagine I probably would be here in October ... not planning to go anywhere too far until early November. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore > I imagine I probably would be here in October ... not planning to go > anywhere too far until early November. I might be in Bangalore in October - how can I contact you? SignatureAlfred Molon http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe >> I imagine I probably would be here in October ... not planning to go >> anywhere too far until early November. > > I might be in Bangalore in October - how can I contact you? Either through the Gmail or Hotmail addresses you see me post with, or if you search my name on Writerfind.com, you'll see all sorts of super-secret personal contact information. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore >>I've been on dozens of VN flights .. the passengers paw >>and grab at everything and everyone. > > Great. Why don't they walk into the pilot's cabin in mid-flight and > start playing with the controls? The door is locked. >>>I've been on dozens of VN flights .. the passengers paw and grab at >>>everything and everyone. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > The door is locked. They're often not. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore > The door is locked. That's what that flight attendant on Helios Airways discovered. > > Why on earth would you touch the handle at all? Doesn't have big a red "do > > not touch" sign? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The amount of $23,000 mentioned is just about the cost of restowing the > slide/raft. Note that the article was from a Hong Kong news paper and the $23k is in Hong Kong dollars. That's about $3,000 US or €2,000 EUR. mmmh, I wonder what this little red handle does? Geno >>Please read the news below and advise if the emergency door can be >>opened just by touching the handle. What is the credibility of the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Why on earth would you touch the handle at all? Doesn't have big a red "do > not touch" sign? Maybe the sign wasn't in Vietnamese. >>>Please read the news below and advise if the emergency door can be >>>opened just by touching the handle. What is the credibility of the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Maybe the sign wasn't in Vietnamese. VN aircraft have signs in Vietnamese. And judging by the OP, if he wrote it, he comprehends English quite well. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore >>>>Please read the news below and advise if the emergency door can be >>>>opened just by touching the handle. What is the credibility of the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > VN aircraft have signs in Vietnamese. And judging by the OP, if he wrote it, > he comprehends English quite well. I didn't know the OP was the person who deployed the slide. >>>>>Please read the news below and advise if the emergency door can be >>>>>opened just by touching the handle. What is the credibility of the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I didn't know the OP was the person who deployed the slide. I'm guessing .... the name is the same Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore > "mrtravel" <mrtravel@a.a> wrote in message >>I didn't know the OP was the person who deployed the slide. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > George W Russell > Bangalore I was betting the OP just used that name to post. >> "mrtravel" <mrtravel@a.a> wrote in message > >>>I didn't know the OP was the person who deployed the slide. >> >> I'm guessing .... the name is the same > I was betting the OP just used that name to post. I wasn't. I saw vested interest. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore > >>><levanhanh8@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > I didn't know the OP was the person who deployed the slide. OTOH we *do* know that you are the person who has "deployed" your utter idiocy on this thread... SignatureBest Greg " I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim that we are some kind of comedy team turns my stomach." - "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking > OTOH we *do* know that you are the person who has "deployed" your utter > idiocy on this thread... Are you still sleeping with your sister, Nomen? mrtravel blabbles: > > OTOH we *do* know that you are the person who has "deployed" your utter > > idiocy on this thread... > > Are you still sleeping with your sister, Nomen? Still whoring out your Russian Green Card "stepdaughters", puke...??? SignatureBest Greg " I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim that we are some kind of comedy team turns my stomach." - "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking > mrtravel blabbles: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Still whoring out your Russian Green Card "stepdaughters", puke...??? At least you aren't using that stupid Nomen alias. We all know who you are now. So, I guess you'd be easy to kill if someone really wanted to. |
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