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KGB - 14 Feb 2005 16:18 GMT
Hi

My wife and I are planning a trip to the USA in September and are
about to book our flights.

One option is to fly from the UK to LAX via Washington Dulles Airport.
However, I seem to remember reading something some time ago that
Dulles was an airport to be "avoided" but can't remember why -
possibly long queues at immigration??

Anybody any comments about Dulles?  Is it any worse (or better) than
flying via Atlanta or Chicago (our other options)?  We have flown to
the USA via these 2 airports on numerous occasions and know what to
expect but have no experience of Dulles - just a vague memory of
reading something about it somewhere!!!!

Any help would be appreciated before I commit myself to booking the
flights.

Regards
KGB
TOliver - 14 Feb 2005 16:56 GMT
"KGB (KGB)" wrote...
> Hi

>  ............
> Anybody any comments about Dulles?  Is it any worse (or better) than
> flying via Atlanta or Chicago (our other options)?  We have flown to
> the USA via these 2 airports on numerous occasions and know what to
> expect but have no experience of Dulles - just a vague memory of
> reading something about it somewhere!!!!

Connecting thru Dulles may actually be preferable to connections thru either
of the others since getting from flight to flight there has seemed easier on
the few occasions I've connected there.  Personally, I think that Atlanta's
"La Migra" are a tad less surly than are the Hairy Barstids of O'Hare, and
Atlanta's central spine makes getting from flight to flight easier than it
can turn out to be at O'Hare.  I sense from a couple of recent walks thru
Dulles, domestic not international, that there's a higher "potential target"
threat and, even counting diplomats who transit quickly, there are more
folks likely to slow up the process.

In my case, the decision would have less to do with a choice of the three,
than with my final destination and the airlines/fares/connection
times/schedules involved.  About to if not already opening a new
international terminal, Dallas, not Dulles, is probably the easiest and
quickest, but requires  "substantial maneuvering"  to get to other terminals
for domestic connections, even for may AA pax.  Desperate to generate
revenue, Delta's fare cuts may make its domestic legs worth it, and friends
tell me that Cincy is greatly to be preferred to ORD or JFK.  The back of
the bus in Delta is on a par with transatlantic standards (or lack of them)
these days, and I was routinely comfortable and well treated in the front
cabin, Atlanta/Milan and back, last year.

> Any help would be appreciated before I commit myself to booking the
> flights.
>
> Regards
> KGB
Peter - 14 Feb 2005 20:46 GMT
> Anybody any comments about Dulles?  Is it any worse (or better) than
> flying via Atlanta or Chicago (our other options)?  

I found Dulles to be big but efficient. The people-movers move
passengers rapidly between isolated terminals so the size isn't much of
a problem. Snow has the potential to close the place down.

http://www.carsurvey.org/air/ has any number of flight reviews and
usually people will mention problems at terminals if encountered.

http://www.carsurvey.org/air/review_9762.html
http://www.carsurvey.org/air/review_9487.html
http://www.carsurvey.org/air/review_6568.html
http://www.carsurvey.org/air/review_9846.html

among others.
Jeff Hacker - 14 Feb 2005 23:06 GMT
I've flown in from LHR (Virgin) to Dulles and cleared immigration within 5
minutes.  It is no worse than any other airport.  The problem is that for a
connection, you must once again clear security.

> Hi
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Regards
> KGB
Robert J Carpenter - 14 Feb 2005 23:39 GMT
> I've flown in from LHR (Virgin) to Dulles and cleared immigration within 5
> minutes.  It is no worse than any other airport.  The problem is that for a
> connection, you must once again clear security.

But isn't that true at EVERY US point of entry?

Dulles has flight delays some afternoons, but nothing like ORD or ATL.
Look at http://www.fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/usmap.jsp around the time of day
of your flights. Remember the time difference across the pond.
Peter - 15 Feb 2005 01:01 GMT
> > I've flown in from LHR (Virgin) to Dulles and cleared immigration
> within 5
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> But isn't that true at EVERY US point of entry?

It was true at LAX for me. I cleared customs, dropped off my luggage for
my ongoing flight to IAD and had to queue to go through security again.

Same deal when I got back home (Australia). My understanding is that a
passenger could transfer a weapon from checked luggage to carryon when
they have both in their possession going through customs.

Peter
Stephen Farrow - 15 Feb 2005 07:11 GMT
>>I've flown in from LHR (Virgin) to Dulles and cleared immigration
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> But isn't that true at EVERY US point of entry?

Yes.

Personally, if I was flying from a British regional airport to a destination in
the US, I'd opt to change planes at Heathrow or Amsterdam rather than at a US
point of entry, simply because that way my baggage would be checked all the way
through to my final destination.

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Jeff Hacker - 15 Feb 2005 15:32 GMT
>>>I've flown in from LHR (Virgin) to Dulles and cleared immigration
>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> rather than at a US point of entry, simply because that way my baggage
> would be checked all the way through to my final destination.

That only works if you can get a nonstop to your U.S. destination.
Stephen Farrow - 15 Feb 2005 21:03 GMT
>>>>I've flown in from LHR (Virgin) to Dulles and cleared immigration
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> That only works if you can get a nonstop to your U.S. destination.

True, but the OP is planning to fly to LAX, and there's hardly a shortage of
nonstops from Heathrow.

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KGB - 16 Feb 2005 11:20 GMT
><SNIP>
>>>Personally, if I was flying from a British regional airport to a
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>True, but the OP is planning to fly to LAX, and there's hardly a shortage of
>nonstops from Heathrow.

Hi

Whilst I appreciate the above points (and probably agree with them),
as the original poster I would like to make the following comments.

We are actually flying from Manchester and there IS apparently a
direct flight from MAN to LAX.  However there are two factors, which
means we would rather NOT take this option.

1) According to quotes from travel agents, a direct flight would add
around £40 per ticket.

2) Personally I would rather fly direct, but my wife hates long
flights and her preferred choice would actually have been to overnight
at our "point of entry to the USA" after the Transatlantic leg and
continue the domestic flight the next day.  I would rather just get
the damn flight over with - but women have their own ideas!!!!   As it
happens, the transfer time at Dulles is over two and a half hours so
it is a reasonable compromise; a couple of hours to stretch her legs -
and should give us enough time to catch our connection (hopefully).
Having said that, Sod's Law means that no doubt our flights will be
rescheduled between now and September to leave us with a transfer time
of around 20 minutes!!!!!  8^)

Also, I did consider (until vetoed by the wife!!) flying from MAN to
Heathrow then non-stop to LAX but this would mean a very early start
at Manchester; flying through Washington means a take-off time from
MAN of 12:20.

Rather bizarrely, my wife likes the idea of Dulles, as "we have never
been to Washington".  I tried gently pointing out (without success)
that it doesn't really matter where we change planes - all airports
look the same!!!

Strewth, the things we married blokes have to contend with!!

Regards

p.s.  I realize I should put my foot down, but as she is the one who
is paying for the trip, I don't have too much bargaining power!!   8^)

KGB
AJC - 16 Feb 2005 11:39 GMT
>><SNIP>
>>>>Personally, if I was flying from a British regional airport to a
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
>
>KGB

At least when you are stuck in a long immigration queue with the
minutes to last boarding time for the onward flight ticking away,
you'll be able to say "I told you so" :-)
--==++AJC++==--
Robert J Carpenter - 16 Feb 2005 13:55 GMT
> Rather bizarrely, my wife likes the idea of Dulles, as "we have never
> been to Washington".  I tried gently pointing out (without success)
> that it doesn't really matter where we change planes - all airports
> look the same!!!

Not quite true.  Dulles IS different to some extent.  I didn't say
necessarily better.
Peter - 16 Feb 2005 16:12 GMT
> > Rather bizarrely, my wife likes the idea of Dulles, as "we have
> never
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Not quite true.  Dulles IS different to some extent.  I didn't say
> necessarily better.

I liked the people-movers. I hadn't realised a vehicle could be so ugly.
Miguel Cruz - 28 Feb 2005 16:43 GMT
> Robert J Carpenter says...
>> Not quite true.  Dulles IS different to some extent.  I didn't say
>> necessarily better.
>
> I liked the people-movers. I hadn't realised a vehicle could be so ugly.

Did you know that one could be so slow?

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Peter - 16 Feb 2005 16:10 GMT
> Rather bizarrely, my wife likes the idea of Dulles, as "we have never
> been to Washington".  I tried gently pointing out (without success)
> that it doesn't really matter where we change planes - all airports
> look the same!!!

Dulles is a half hour's drive out of Washington and it's unlikely you'll
see anything of the capital as you come in. It has an impressive
terminal building, but inside, it's all same same as anywhere else.

Besides, you'd need at least a week to even scrape the surface of
Washington. I suppose if you had a couple of hours and a hundred bucks
you could get a cab in, drive up and down the Mall and back to Dulles.
Binyamin Dissen - 15 Feb 2005 14:15 GMT
:>> I've flown in from LHR (Virgin) to Dulles and cleared immigration
:>within 5
:>> minutes.  It is no worse than any other airport.  The problem is
:>that for a
:>> connection, you must once again clear security.

:>But isn't that true at EVERY US point of entry?

Yes.

In some places in Europe it is even worse. You have to clear security when
changing planes in the same terminal without even going thru immigration or
customs.

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