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Travel Forum / Travel Types / Air Travel / August 2003oversold conditions
Any one able to see how oversold the DL flight 133 Athens to JFK is on sep 19th? We are holding tickets but couldn't get seats and past experience tells me that this is not a good thing. I know that the flight is full just wondering how bad things are likely to be. > Any one able to see how oversold the DL flight 133 Athens to JFK is on sep > 19th? We are holding tickets but couldn't get seats and past experience > tells me that this is not a good thing. I know that the flight is full just > wondering how bad things are likely to be. It's ove booked but lots of seats up front. You'll get seats but unlikely to be ones up front unless you have status with DL >> Any one able to see how oversold the DL flight 133 Athens to JFK is >> on sep 19th? We are holding tickets but couldn't get seats and past [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It's ove booked but lots of seats up front. You'll get seats but > unlikely to be ones up front unless you have status with DL Thank you. If I had status I would probably have a seat! ;-) > Any one able to see how oversold the DL flight 133 Athens to JFK is on sep > 19th? We are holding tickets but couldn't get seats and past experience > tells me that this is not a good thing. I know that the flight is full just > wondering how bad things are likely to be. It depends, some airlines block quite a few seats for frequent flyers, or to hold for airport checkin You think it is sold out, and according to Gallilo, Delta is still offering tickets in every class except T. Usually, 25-33% of the plane is held back for gate assignment to keep familes together. >Any one able to see how oversold the DL flight 133 Athens to JFK is on sep >19th? We are holding tickets but couldn't get seats and past experience >tells me that this is not a good thing. I know that the flight is full just >wondering how bad things are likely to be. > You think it is sold out, and according to Gallilo, Delta is still > offering tickets in every class except T. > > Usually, 25-33% of the plane is held back for gate assignment to keep > familes together. Aren't you mix up selling and assigning seats? > You think it is sold out, and according to Gallilo, Delta is still > offering tickets in every class except T. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>experience tells me that this is not a good thing. I know that the >>flight is full just wondering how bad things are likely to be. Accroding to Gallileo it has been soold out in Y for some time: FRI 19SEP03 ATHENS /NEW YORK *DL 1 ATH JFK 1215 1550 DL 133 Y0 763*C NO MORE HA Y SVC THIS TIME PERIOD DMATIC SINGLE CNTG PT-BRU OR PAR OR AMS OR ROM OR MAD OR FRA OR BCN OR IST OR MIL OR VCE DMATIC DOUBLE CNTG PT-NONE ALT RTG - NONE J is also barred from HA as is C (but C is available on alternate routing) > You think it is sold out, and according to Gallilo, Delta is still > offering tickets in every class except T. 1 ATH JFK 1215 1550 DL 133 Y0 763*C Would indicate to me that there's zero seats in Y, no? > Usually, 25-33% of the plane is held back for gate assignment to keep > familes together. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >tells me that this is not a good thing. I know that the flight is full just > >wondering how bad things are likely to be. Looking at seatmap.com Y is *completely* booked. There are 13 seats in business class, and, apparently, no first class.  Signature_Deirdre http://deirdre.net "I'm writing a book. I've got the page numbers done." - Steven Wright "A Sword Called Rhonda" forthcoming in anthology TURN THE OTHER CHICK jcoulter <225stellarNO@SPAMcomcast.net> vented spleen or mostly mumbled... > Any one able to see how oversold the DL flight 133 Athens to JFK is on > sep 19th? We are holding tickets but couldn't get seats and past > experience tells me that this is not a good thing. I know that the > flight is full just wondering how bad things are likely to be. One of the quaint auguries of the mystical art of capacity control is the determination of how many seats should be held for those late bookees and gate arrivals ready to pay through the nose for the privilege of going right now. 10 seats held till the last moment, allowing 8 of them to be sold for a pretty penny, several times a much as the 10 seats would have brought on the discount market can be the difference between profit and loss... TMO > One of the quaint auguries of the mystical art of capacity control is the > determination of how many seats should be held for those late bookees and > gate arrivals ready to pay through the nose for the privilege of going > right now. It must be 20 years ago now, but the Sunday travel section of the New York Times had a long article where one of their reporters had followed the progress of setting capacity control allocations on a single specific American Airlines departure. This was with the cooperation of the airline and the person controlling that one specific departure. The last change was made the day before departure - but the flight departed with one empty seat. "I should have changed the allocations", said the capacity control guru. A very interesting article. Someone should look for it in the Times' archives. > One of the quaint auguries of the mystical art of capacity control > is the determination of how many seats should be held for those > late bookees and gate arrivals ready to pay through the nose for > the privilege of going right now. I don't think they hold *any* seats for people booking last-minute that pay throught the nose. I think that if such a mystical customer shows up, they gladly sell them a ticket and then ask for one more volunteer at the gate. And when there is no corresponding volunteer, they will pull someone with no status with the airline who is travelling alone in the cheapest class. What they pay this poor slob as compensation is more than made up by what they get from Mr. Last Minute. > > One of the quaint auguries of the mystical art of capacity control > > is the determination of how many seats should be held for those [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I don't think they hold *any* seats for people booking last-minute > that pay throught the nose. No, that's just regular Y fare available at any time. > I think that if such a mystical customer shows up, they gladly sell > them a ticket and then ask for one more volunteer at the gate. And > when there is no corresponding volunteer, they will pull someone with > no status with the airline who is travelling alone in the cheapest > class. What they pay this poor slob as compensation is more than made > up by what they get from Mr. Last Minute. Heck, why not get an extra dollar out of them and sell them that first class ticket at full price? Signature_Deirdre http://deirdre.net "I'm writing a book. I've got the page numbers done." - Steven Wright "A Sword Called Rhonda" forthcoming in anthology TURN THE OTHER CHICK |
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