On 5/20/2008 4:39 PM Matt Casey spake thus:
> Environmental zones, or "Particle-Free Emission Zones" are urban
> zones in which it is forbidden to drive a motor vehicle without a
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> 5. San Francisco
> 10. Oakland
I live in the S.F. Bay Area, am very familiar with all these places, and
know of no such "environmental zones" in any of these places. (There are
car-free zones in all of them, but none where you can drive with a
"special sticker" as you claim.)

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Jim Davis - 21 May 2008 01:52 GMT
In case he slipped by you, you're talking to the great Joey Jolley. He's
back in all his splendor and glory.
David Nebenzahl - 21 May 2008 02:21 GMT
On 5/20/2008 5:52 PM Jim Davis spake thus:
> In case he slipped by you, you're talking to the great Joey Jolley. He's
> back in all his splendor and glory.
I thought it might be, but one never knows.
Joey Jolley, "the troll who replies back to you sometimes*".
* And says "I'm sorry" and promises never to post such ridiculous stuff
again ...

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Jack May - 21 May 2008 03:35 GMT
> In case he slipped by you, you're talking to the great Joey Jolley. He's
> back in all his splendor and glory.
Yes now he is back apparently wanting the extremely high pollution diesel
busses and diesel trains that are commonly used.
He wants to ban cars which these days are largely Low or Very Low emission
vehicles.
Cars now come with little stickers attached to them that tell you which
criterion they meet.
Matt Casey - 21 May 2008 06:22 GMT
> > In case he slipped by you, you're talking to the great Joey Jolley. He's
> > back in all his splendor and glory.
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> Cars now come with little stickers attached to them that tell you which
> criterion they meet.
What parts of San Francisco, Oakland, and Berkeley are car-free zones?
Matt Casey - 21 May 2008 07:23 GMT
> On 5/20/2008 4:39 PM Matt Casey spake thus:
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> - Attributed to Winston Churchill
What parts of SF, Oakland, and Berkeley have car-free zones?
Bill Z. - 21 May 2008 15:34 GMT
> What parts of SF, Oakland, and Berkeley have car-free zones?
Part of Golden Gate Park on Saturdays:
<http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/05/MNTQ1008J2.DTL>.
At some times of the day, freeways passing through Oakland and
Berkeley, while not car free, seem to use cars as street furniture
given their average speed through all the gridlock. -:)

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Matt Casey - 21 May 2008 11:27 GMT
> On 5/20/2008 4:39 PM Matt Casey spake thus:
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> - Attributed to Winston Churchill
Which streets in SF, Berkeley, and Oakland?
Why post on rec travel europe ????
> Environmental zones, or "Particle-Free Emission Zones" are urban
> zones in which it is forbidden to drive a motor vehicle without a
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> More to come later....
Matt Casey - 21 May 2008 07:03 GMT
> Why post on rec travel europe ????
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> > More to come later....
Sorry.
J. Clarke - 21 May 2008 10:12 GMT
> Why post on rec travel europe ????
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>> More to come later....
I dunno about the others but there sure as HELL is no requirement for
a special sticker to drive a car in Hartford. Connecticut did away
with emissions stickers completely a few years ago.

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Matt Casey - 21 May 2008 14:22 GMT
> > Why post on rec travel europe ????
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Correct me if I'm wrong and was David Nebenzahl just being sarcastic
when he talked about the car-free zones in SF. Oakland, and Berkeley?