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xis2xis@googlemail.com - 03 Dec 2008 17:40 GMT
Page last updated at 14:56 GMT, Wednesday, 3 December 2008

How did Thai protesters manage it?

By Jonathan Head
BBC News, Bangkok

A PAD guard at Bangkok's international airport, 29 Novmeber 2008
Some say the PAD should be viewed as a military organisation

Claiming victory, the yellow-clad hordes from the People's Alliance
for Democracy (PAD) rolled up their mats and sleeping bags.

They queued for souvenir autographed scarves - yellow of course - from
the leaders who had taken them into this astonishing act of
insurrection, and boarded buses and pick-up trucks for the ride home.

An army of cleaners, technicians and security personnel moved in
behind them to get Bangkok's $4bn (£2.7bn) state-of-the-art airport
back into operation.

Within a few days the mass sit-in will just be a surreal memory.

But the questions their actions have raised about the state of
Thailand will continue long after the last plastic hand-clapper is
picked up and disposed of.

How could a country as advanced and as dependent on exports and
tourism as Thailand allow such a vital transport hub to be stormed by
a mob that never numbered more than a few thousand?

What is the PAD, and what gives the movement the confidence to commit
its dramatic acts of economic sabotage without fearing any legal
sanction?

Weak police

The airport sit-in shows the PAD's skill at pulling off bold and
unexpected stunts.

When the first PAD convoys approached the airport last Tuesday, they
said they were only going to protest against then-Prime Minister
Somchai Wongsawat, who was due to arrive back from the Apec summit in
Peru.

The government had a strategy of avoiding confrontation - it did not
want a repeat of the disastrous events in October, when several PAD
supporters were seriously injured in clashes with the police.

The police were under orders not to use force and retreated.

No-one thought the PAD would try to take over one of the world's
biggest and busiest airport terminals.
Anti-government protesters confront police at Suvarnabhumi airport in
Bangkok, 29 November 2008
Thai police were reluctant to confront protesters

In fact, PAD organisers told the BBC they had carefully planned the
seizure of the airport weeks before.

The weakness of Thailand's police is also important.

They have proved no match for this determined and organised movement.
They are poorly trained in riot control, and lack the status of the
army.

When it became clear that the PAD was set on taking over the airport,
the local governor asked the army for assistance. None came.

As throughout this year, the army's refusal to help contain the PAD
has left the government with no means of resisting this insurgency.

The police are up against an organisation of considerable logistical
strength.

It is a remarkably well-trained and well-funded movement.

Logistical efficiency

One of the many retired generals supporting its occupation at the
airport observed that it should be seen as a military, not a civilian
organisation.

Behind the "aunties with clappers" and well-groomed young women
clutching lap-dogs that are the public face of the movement are squads
of hoodlums, armed with batons, metal spikes and hand-guns who man the
barricades and hunt down intruders.

One morning I followed them as they dragged an alleged government spy
off to an undisclosed location, kicking and punching him.

I was unable to find out his fate. Some of these thugs are members of
private armies run by retired generals.

The PAD's logistical efficiency is impressive.

Within hours of occupying the airport it had ample supplies of food,
water, blankets and medicines for the thousands of supporters who
joined the sit-in.

ESCALATING CONFLICT
September 2006: Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra ousted in military
coup
February 2008: Samak Sundaravej sworn in as prime minister
August 2008: PAD protesters occupy government buildings, demanding the
government step down
September 2008: Mr Samak dismissed for violating conflict of interest
law. Somchai Wongsawat, Thaksin's brother-in-law, becomes prime
minister
October 2008: Thaksin given a two-year jail sentence for corruption in
his absence
26 November 2008: Anti-government protesters take control of Bangkok's
main airport
2 December 2008: Thai court rules that PM Somchai should be banned
from politics, and his party should be dissolved
3 December 2008: Protesters vacate Bangkok airports

Thai crisis exposes class struggle
Q&A: Bangkok protests

The food never ran out. You could get your mobile phone charged, or
have a massage. PAD cleaners were brought in to keep the floors and
toilets in order. The duty-free and check-in areas were sealed off and
vigilantly protected by PAD guards.

The PAD's propaganda arm is equally impressive.

It runs its own television station, ASTV, which is widely broadcast
and pours vitriol on the government.

Everywhere the movement goes it takes mobile stages, on the back of
trucks, which blare out speeches and music from dawn until the small
hours of the following morning.

The message is simple: Former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra is
evil, stole the people's money and will destroy the country. The poor
rural people who voted for his party were all bribed, and unable to
think for themselves.

Some of those taking part in the airport occupation had been listening
to these firebrand speeches for months, without a break.

They all passionately believed their actions were worth the cost to
the country, to see Thailand's politics cleaned up.

The question of who is behind the PAD is a subject of intense
speculation in Thailand.

I met a lot of ethnic Chinese entrepreneurs at the airport who were
helping keep the PAD supplied.

But much bigger Thai businesses are widely believed to be financing
the movement, including at least two national banks.

Royal support?

Thaksin Shinawatra made a lot of powerful enemies while he was in
office with his aggressive efforts to re-shape the country.

These are now using the PAD militants to get back at his party.

There are also plenty of former military commanders offering their
help to the PAD - people like General Pathompong Kesornsuk, who has
openly urged the army to launch a coup against the government.
Protesters hold a portrait of the Thai king and queen at the
international airport in Bangkok, 2 December 2008
PAD says it is acting in defence of the monarchy

One of the top PAD leaders is Chamlong Srimuang, a former general with
close ties to Gen Pren Tinsulanonda, the king's most senior advisor.

Then there is the most sensitive question of all - the royal
connection.

The PAD has justified its actions as being in defence of the monarchy,
and the king's portrait has been displayed prominently during all its
protests.

Senior figures close to the palace have openly supported the movement.

When the queen offered to preside over the funeral last month of a PAD
protestor killed during clashes with the police, it appeared to be a
tacit blessing for the movement.

Some in the government even believe the revered king may be backing
the movement, although at the age of almost 81 this seems unlikely.

Hard evidence is difficult to come by. But people's actions in
Thailand are now being driven as much by what they believe as what
they know to be true.

The government and its rural followers believe there is a palace-army-
elite conspiracy to rob them of their electoral mandate.

The PAD and its middle-class followers believe the pro-Thaksin camp
intends to turn Thailand into a republic, and overthrow the existing
social order.

With so much believed to be at stake, compromise between the two sides
is almost impossible.
Good Soldier Schweik - 04 Dec 2008 00:53 GMT
>One of the top PAD leaders is Chamlong Srimuang, a former general with
>close ties to Gen Pren Tinsulanonda, the king's most senior advisor.

The above statement is an example of the level of understand that
either you, or the individual you quote, have of Thailand.

General Chamlong did in fact work for General Prem, his secretary, if
I remember correctly.

Chamlong's  first political activity was to run, and be elected,
Governor of Bangkok. He formed the Palang Darma political party (and
now we get to the good part) he is the individual that brought Thaksin
into politics as a member of the Palang Darma party.

While your quotation implies that Chamlong, having close ties to
General Prem, is obviously anti Thaksin while the truth is that having
brought Thaksin into politics and observed his actions he has
developed an aversion to Thaksin's activities.

In other words, an individual who has had the opportunity to observe
Thaksin at close range dislikes him.........ever wonder why?

Cheers,

Schweik
(goodsoldierschweikatgmaildotcom)
pgtips - 05 Dec 2008 06:14 GMT
On Dec 4, 7:53 am, Good Soldier Schweik <decypher.signat...@sig.line>
wrote:

> >One of the topPADleaders is Chamlong Srimuang, a former general with
> >close ties to Gen Pren Tinsulanonda, the king's most senior advisor.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> In other words, an individual who has had the opportunity to observe
> Thaksin at close range dislikes him.........ever wonder why?

Thailand is all about cronyism, influence, power games, corruption.
All the pots and kettles are various shades of black. Thaksin is no
worse and no better than any of the other players. In a country only
recently introduced to democracy, very few of the power brokers are
keen to relinquish even a fraction of their influence to
representatives of the people. We are witnessing the various moves on
the board, with the yellow and red 'armies' as pawns. Whether the end
game is near or not, and who has the surprise moves up their sleeves,
neither you, I, nor any other amateur newsgroup pundits really have
much of a clue.

The bottom line though is that if the PAD group and its 'invisible'
backers thought their position was supported by a majority of the
population, they simply needed to wait for the next elections and
convince people to make their opinions of Thaksin and his allies felt
via the ballot box. If there are fears of election-rigging, then
international observers could have been invited in.

However rather than wait, they preferred to bring the country to the
brink of anarchy, cost the country billions, put many tens of
thousands of ordinary folk out of a job, and provoke a situation
leading to the inevitable loss of lives. However correct or otherwise
they are about the legitimacy of the current government, if they had
truly believed in democracy and the strength of their own position,
then they only needed to bide their time until the next elections.
It's that simple.

However they were fully aware that they did not have, and are unlikely
to have in the near future, the popular support required. Their goal
and that of their business/military etc backers is to regain their
grip on power by alternative means. Their clearly-stated agenda
includes watering down people power via a revised constitution that
hands government over to a 70/30 proportioned, appointed/elected body.
In such a scenario the Bangkok/southern elite and middle classes would
be the dominant force in Thai politics for the foreseeable future.

The PAD has as good as admitted this, suggesting that the northerners/
rural communities are not intelligent/educated/informed enough to
vote. On that basis we had better do away with the one man - one vote
system in most democracies around the globe (didn't the US electorate
vote for a 'B' movie wannabe cowboy with an IQ of 85 to run the most
powerful nation in the world? If that's proof of the average
intelligence of the American voter, then the world's in big trouble.
And I won't even mention Bush). (Sorry, just have).

pg's
http://frogblog-thaidings.blogspot.com/
 
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