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Aly - 20 Nov 2003 12:45 GMT
I am traveling through Singapore, with three friends in December and
shall be there for 10 days I was wondering if anyone could advise us
on good places to visit and go to during our stay.

Aly
antori - 20 Nov 2003 14:48 GMT
Ask a taxi driver to go around with you to the nice places in Songapore.
Make one price for one day. This is not expensive.
Bye @ntori

> I am traveling through Singapore, with three friends in December and
> shall be there for 10 days I was wondering if anyone could advise us
> on good places to visit and go to during our stay.
>
> Aly
Alfred Molon - 20 Nov 2003 18:20 GMT
> I am traveling through Singapore, with three friends in December and
> shall be there for 10 days I was wondering if anyone could advise us
> on good places to visit and go to during our stay.

10 days is too much for a small place like Singapore. Consider doing a
side-trip to Malaysia.
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hj - 22 Nov 2003 12:00 GMT
>> I am traveling through Singapore, with three friends in December and
>> shall be there for 10 days I was wondering if anyone could advise us
>> on good places to visit and go to during our stay.
>
>10 days is too much for a small place like Singapore. Consider doing a
>side-trip to Malaysia.

No. Consider doing the ONLY trip to Malaysia and leave Singapore to
those dumb  tourists who don't know any better.
Don - 24 Nov 2003 09:47 GMT
> No. Consider doing the ONLY trip to Malaysia and leave Singapore to
> those dumb  tourists who don't know any better.

What about all the dumb Malaysians that come over the causeway?

Don
Markku Grönroos - 24 Nov 2003 12:02 GMT
> > No. Consider doing the ONLY trip to Malaysia and leave Singapore to
> > those dumb  tourists who don't know any better.
>
> What about all the dumb Malaysians that come over the causeway?

Early morning is truly busy at border when hordes of Malaysian workers drive
to Singapore. Fortunately it is much quicker into that direction.
me Singaporean - 25 Nov 2003 01:51 GMT
>What about all the dumb Malaysians that come over the causeway?

What about *That* dumb Malaysian staying in Singapore? One that
constanly whine in this group but never want to leave.

>Don
Don - 25 Nov 2003 03:03 GMT
> What about *That* dumb Malaysian staying in Singapore? One that
> constanly whine in this group but never want to leave.

;)
Edwardseco - 26 Nov 2003 14:25 GMT
>> What about *That* dumb Malaysian staying in Singapore? One that
>> constanly whine in this group but never want to leave.

Hong Tin is legendary in this group for his consistancy and the numerous
handles and some moments of considerable wit. Why? This is one of those
imponderable questions left to religion, philosophy, and other forms of
fiction.
edwardseco
Peter L - 20 Nov 2003 22:05 GMT
> I am traveling through Singapore, with three friends in December and
> shall be there for 10 days I was wondering if anyone could advise us
> on good places to visit and go to during our stay.

People will tell you that Sing is boring, and they'd be right.  But still if
you just want to relax and throw back some adult beverage and good cheap
food then you can do worse than Sing.  Of course you can also do better,
e.g. in Malaysia.

> Aly
bob - 21 Nov 2003 01:37 GMT
If you walk up and down Orchard Road, then Singapore is indeed boring, but
if you bother to scratch the surface, there is a wealth of interesting
architecture and culture to be found. Unfortunately, most people just go to
the malls.

Bob

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> > I am traveling through Singapore, with three friends in December and
> > shall be there for 10 days I was wondering if anyone could advise us
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>
> > Aly
hj - 22 Nov 2003 12:01 GMT
>If you walk up and down Orchard Road, then Singapore is indeed boring, but
>if you bother to scratch the surface, there is a wealth of interesting
>architecture and culture to be found. Unfortunately, most people just go to
>the malls.
>
>Bob

Cos there ain't nowhere else to go!
The Man - 30 Nov 2003 08:21 GMT
>If you walk up and down Orchard Road, then Singapore is indeed boring, but
>if you bother to scratch the surface, there is a wealth of interesting
>architecture and culture to be found. Unfortunately, most people just go to
>the malls.
>
>Bob

What rubbish. There is nothing of any architectural interest in the
dump. Even the Raffles isnt original.

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Don - 24 Nov 2003 09:48 GMT
> What rubbish. There is nothing of any architectural interest in the
> dump. Even the Raffles isnt original.

The Man is a moron.

Don
Don - 21 Nov 2003 03:04 GMT
> People will tell you that Sing is boring, and they'd be right.

And those people obviously do not know anything about the place.

Don
Alfred Molon - 21 Nov 2003 18:41 GMT
> > People will tell you that Sing is boring, and they'd be right.
>
> And those people obviously do not know anything about the place.

Singapore is not boring, but you don't need 10 days to explore it. The
time is better invested by spending two or three days in Singapore and
the rest by travelling around Singapore.
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Markku Grönroos - 22 Nov 2003 05:07 GMT
> > > People will tell you that Sing is boring, and they'd be right.
> >
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> the rest by travelling around Singapore.
> --
By speed or slow boat ?
hj - 22 Nov 2003 12:01 GMT
>> > People will tell you that Sing is boring, and they'd be right.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>time is better invested by spending two or three days in Singapore and
>the rest by travelling around Singapore.

Sinagpore IS boring. Fact is, you should spend all 10 days in Malaysia
instead.
Alfred Molon - 22 Nov 2003 16:01 GMT
> >Singapore is not boring, but you don't need 10 days to explore it. The
> >time is better invested by spending two or three days in Singapore and
> >the rest by travelling around Singapore.
>
> Sinagpore IS boring. Fact is, you should spend all 10 days in Malaysia
> instead.

If it's so boring why do you live there ?

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The Man - 30 Nov 2003 08:20 GMT
>> I am traveling through Singapore, with three friends in December and
>> shall be there for 10 days I was wondering if anyone could advise us
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>> Aly

'Adult beverage' WTF is that ?

If you mean beer. Singapore beer is noted for being one of the worst
in the world
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Don - 21 Nov 2003 03:03 GMT
> I am traveling through Singapore, with three friends in December and
> shall be there for 10 days I was wondering if anyone could advise us
> on good places to visit and go to during our stay.
>
> Aly

Zoo
Night Safari
Mandai Orchid Gardens
Jurong Bird Park
Hop on the MRT and just go somewhere
Hight tea at the Raffles
Cable car ride to Sentosa (meet the dude with the snakes)
Junk ride on the river
Check out Clarke Quay, Boat Quay and ChinaTown

Don
chilly - 27 Nov 2003 07:00 GMT
> > I am traveling through Singapore, with three friends in December and
> > shall be there for 10 days I was wondering if anyone could advise us
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> Zoo
> Night Safari

Loved it.

> Mandai Orchid Gardens
> Jurong Bird Park

I'll check those two out next trip this spring.

> Hop on the MRT and just go somewhere

Great fun.

> Hight tea at the Raffles

A bit ridiculous and so are the Singapore Slings.

> Cable car ride to Sentosa (meet the dude with the snakes)

Yeah, that was sort of a fun afternoon, but I didn't meet anyone with
snakes.

> Junk ride on the river

I particularly enjoyed that.

> Check out Clarke Quay, Boat Quay and ChinaTown

And I enjoyed Clarke Quay too, went well with the junk ride.

I have family there, and so I return to see them.  Still, 5 days will be
enough again.  I'm liking the suggestion of crossing over into Malaysia for
the day.
Don - 27 Nov 2003 07:17 GMT
>> Hight tea at the Raffles
>
> A bit ridiculous and so are the Singapore Slings.

I have only stayed at the Raffles once. Like the high tea, slings etc
staying there is more about the historical significance than much else.
If that aspect doesn't mean anything (which it may not and BTW there is
obviously nothing wrong with that) then I guess the whole Raffles thing
is a bit ho-hum.

Don
Steve Kramer - 29 Nov 2003 01:46 GMT
> > > I am traveling through Singapore, with three friends in December and
> > > shall be there for 10 days I was wondering if anyone could advise us
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>
> I'll check those two out next trip this spring.

The Bird Park is delightful, but wear a hat... Go early in the morning
too!

> enough again.  I'm liking the suggestion of crossing over into Malaysia for
> the day.

Take the Hydrofoil up to Palau Tioman, go to Kampang Salang, dive with
DiveAsia, and enjoy Labas Reef and Malang Rocks. Nicer than just going
into Jahor Bahru. But then, anything is better than going to Jahor Bahru
for the day...

The diving is better if you go further north to the Perhentians, but
you'll need to fly there if you only want to go for a couple of days.

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chilly - 01 Dec 2003 23:02 GMT
> > enough again.  I'm liking the suggestion of crossing over into Malaysia for
> > the day.
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> The diving is better if you go further north to the Perhentians, but
> you'll need to fly there if you only want to go for a couple of days.

Thanks for the pointers, Steve.  Sounds good.  I'm also looking for a place
easily accessed by air out of either Singapore or Jakarta, for a week of
diving.

My current thoughts are Monado or Sipadan (I know, a bit more of a jaunt).
Any ideas . . . besides Koh Tao that is.  :^)  And I'll be there mid-April
to mid-May.
Don - 21 Nov 2003 03:09 GMT
> I am traveling through Singapore, with three friends in December and
> shall be there for 10 days I was wondering if anyone could advise us
> on good places to visit and go to during our stay.
>
> Aly

Zoo
Night Safari
Mandai Orchid Gardens
Jurong Bird Park
Hop on the MRT and head out into the 'burbs for a look.
High tea at the Raffles
Cable car ride to Sentosa (meet the dude with the snakes)
Junk ride on the river
Check out Clarke Quay, Boat Quay and ChinaTown
Shopping (not cheap like it used to be, but the range is still the best
per sq metre in the world)

Don
Dr. Klaus Eimert - 21 Nov 2003 11:10 GMT
Don <astrofighter@yahoo.com> wrote in news:3fbd81d2$0$1746$5a62ac22
@freenews.iinet.net.au:

> Zoo
> Night Safari
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>
> Don

I would add the Museum of Asian History (at least I think that was the
name) - it's excellent and provides guided tours.
BTW. we spend almost 3 weeks there and never felt bored (well, we did have
a short trip to Malaysia for two days)!

Klaus
Don - 24 Nov 2003 09:43 GMT
> BTW. we spend almost 3 weeks there and never felt bored (well, we did have
> a short trip to Malaysia for two days)!

I know. Some people amaze me. Just because they think they were bored
they expect that everyone else will be too. What they should be asking
themselves is why do they feel bored? Could it be that they are boring
people?

Don
The Man - 30 Nov 2003 08:23 GMT
>> I am traveling through Singapore, with three friends in December and
>> shall be there for 10 days I was wondering if anyone could advise us
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
>Don

Oh wow what an itinerary eh. Go half way rounf the world to look at
some bloody suburbs ? or look at a Quay and some docks. ?

There is nothing for a tourist to do or see in Singapore

I rest my case

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Gard - 21 Nov 2003 17:38 GMT
Hi

If you are going to Singapore you should check out the page
http://www.the-inncrowd.com/. This is the page of a hostel and if you decide
to stay there you have to say hi to Ping and Hai from me :-) But their page
is still worth a visit because it has lots of information on what to see in
Singapore, what to do, what to eat, where to party and so on. Have a great
trip :-)

Regards
Gard
Stavanger, Norway
www.gardkarlsen.com

> I am traveling through Singapore, with three friends in December and
> shall be there for 10 days I was wondering if anyone could advise us
> on good places to visit and go to during our stay.
>
> Aly
Paul O - 23 Nov 2003 02:29 GMT
Three days is more than enough.
The main activity for locals seems to be shopping.

Worth a visit:
Sentosa Island
Botanic gardens
Zoo
Bird Park
Duck Harbour Cruise
Asian History Museum (2 campuses)
Bugis Street

Shopping is not particularly cheap, neither are food and drink (from an
Australian perspective- probably different if you're coming from Europe).

Cheers

> I am traveling through Singapore, with three friends in December and
> shall be there for 10 days I was wondering if anyone could advise us
> on good places to visit and go to during our stay.
>
> Aly
Scott Howard - 23 Nov 2003 09:11 GMT
> Shopping is not particularly cheap, neither are food and drink (from an
> Australian perspective- probably different if you're coming from Europe).

A better way to describe the price of food would probably be "variable".

Whilst it's easy to spend $40-50 or more on a meal, it's also just as
easy to spend $4-5 (or less) on a good feed in one of the numerous hawker
venues around the place.  If you get away from the busy areas it's even
possible to pay as little as $2-3 for a damn good meal.

 Scott.
Miguel Cruz - 23 Nov 2003 10:00 GMT
>> Shopping is not particularly cheap, neither are food and drink (from an
>> Australian perspective- probably different if you're coming from Europe).
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> venues around the place.  If you get away from the busy areas it's even
> possible to pay as little as $2-3 for a damn good meal.

I'm sure I've never spent more than S$5 on a meal there, and often much
less. By US standards that's quite cheap (S$5 = US$2.90). And I've never had
a bad meal in Singapore. Best breakfast in the history of the world is roti
pratha for S$0.70 (US$0.40) at the hawkers centre in Little India. So good
it makes my mouth water just thinking about it. So good I'd give up almost
all other foods just to be able to eat it every day.

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hh - 23 Nov 2003 15:23 GMT
>I'm sure I've never spent more than S$5 on a meal there, and often much
>less. By US standards that's quite cheap (S$5 = US$2.90). And I've never had
>a bad meal in Singapore. Best breakfast in the history of the world is roti
>pratha for S$0.70 (US$0.40) at the hawkers centre in Little India. So good
>it makes my mouth water just thinking about it. So good I'd give up almost
>all other foods just to be able to eat it every day.

eat that crap everyday?.....you are a SICK dude!
Miguel Cruz - 23 Nov 2003 19:07 GMT
>> Best breakfast in the history of the world is roti pratha for S$0.70
>> (US$0.40) at the hawkers centre in Little India. So good it makes my
>> mouth water just thinking about it. So good I'd give up almost all other
>> foods just to be able to eat it every day.
>
> eat that crap everyday?.....you are a SICK dude!

If I call it roti canai will it become good?

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Markku Grönroos - 23 Nov 2003 19:16 GMT
> >> Best breakfast in the history of the world is roti pratha for S$0.70
> >> (US$0.40) at the hawkers centre in Little India. So good it makes my
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>
> If I call it roti canai will it become good?

Yes, especially while you are watching whippings of Bukit Street.
bob - 24 Nov 2003 02:35 GMT
>best breakfast in the history of the world is roti
> pratha for S$0.70 (US$0.40) at the hawkers centre in Little India. So good
> it makes my mouth water just thinking about it. So good I'd give up almost
> all other foods just to be able to eat it every day.

No, that's the 2nd best breakfast in the history of the world. The best is
the stall next door selling curried mutton with pratha. Mutton hits the
button, we like to say. And my mouth really is watering.

Bob

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ExpatNL - 23 Nov 2003 14:49 GMT
> Three days is more than enough.
> The main activity for locals seems to be shopping.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Shopping is not particularly cheap, neither are food and drink (from an
> Australian perspective- probably different if you're coming from Europe).

sentosa island?  run away, don't walk, from this place!

here we go again with the singapore topic.  and i still say this: avoid this
country if you can.
hh - 23 Nov 2003 15:24 GMT
>> Three days is more than enough.
>> The main activity for locals seems to be shopping.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>here we go again with the singapore topic.  and i still say this: avoid this
>country if you can.

what?  and miss seeing the famous public whipping held every friday at
the chani prison  ????
Alfred Molon - 23 Nov 2003 19:19 GMT
> what?  and miss seeing the famous public whipping held every friday at
> the chani prison  ????

And that's the reason you live in Singapore ?
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DGPSC - 06 Dec 2003 03:04 GMT
The Singapore government in its infinite wisdom has decided to add filtered
sewerage water into reserviors directly so that it can add on to its need
for water resource. Unlike the method used in the western world whereby
filtered and reclaimed sewerage water is pressurised and pumped into the
ground's water table to allow for natural sedimentation to happen over a
period of over 20 years before it rises to levels for human consumption, the
Singapore model process is more of a mixing and direct input into the water
system there immediately. They call this NEW-Water.

Imagine that whatever you eat drink and consume in this island are the
by-products of human and animal wastes!

> > what?  and miss seeing the famous public whipping held every friday at
> > the chani prison  ????
>
> And that's the reason you live in Singapore ?
Don - 24 Nov 2003 09:45 GMT
> what?  and miss seeing the famous public whipping held every friday at
> the chani prison  ????

At least get the spelling right.
Alfred Molon - 24 Nov 2003 18:57 GMT
> > what?  and miss seeing the famous public whipping held every friday at
> > the chani prison  ????
>
> At least get the spelling right.

You probably mean the grammar. The spelling looks correct.

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Markku Grönroos - 24 Nov 2003 19:24 GMT
> > > what?  and miss seeing the famous public whipping held every friday at
> > > the chani prison  ????
> >
> > At least get the spelling right.
>
> You probably mean the grammar. The spelling looks correct.

friday<>Friday; chani<>Changi
Don - 25 Nov 2003 03:03 GMT
>> > what?  and miss seeing the famous public whipping held every friday at
>> > the chani prison  ????
>>
>> At least get the spelling right.
>
> You probably mean the grammar. The spelling looks correct.

Which school did you go to?
Don - 24 Nov 2003 09:45 GMT
> here we go again with the singapore topic.  and i still say this: avoid this
> country if you can.

Don't care much what you say chum.

Don
patshambler - 25 Nov 2003 08:47 GMT
> I am traveling through Singapore, with three friends in December and
> shall be there for 10 days I was wondering if anyone could advise us
> on good places to visit and go to during our stay.
>
> Aly

I think it's pretty irrelevant whether Singapore is a good or bad place to
visit in this case, as many people in this discussion have been trying to
stress IF you aren't going to be changing your travel routings any time
soon.

To be honest, 10 days would indeed be (more than) ample time in Singapore,
if you're from the West, it is the size of a medium sized city.
Many of the attractions in Singapore seem to be too touristy and lack some
authenticity, but this doesn't necessarily mean that they are bad. It is
true that a tourist is more likely to tire of Singapore sooner rather than
later, after all there is only so much eating and drinking one can do (I
believe these are the top attractions of Singapore). Having said, the most
important thing is to keep an open mind and be slightly flexible, one
person's trash may be another's treasure.

Do take note of some of the other people's advice on where to go. My two
cents worth would be to try the food - Chinese, Malay and Indian influences,
and if you live on this it IS quite cheap. However, Western food is not. I
reckon that you should go for this and be adventurous as far as the food is
concerned, after all, what's the point of travelling if you're going to
stick to the familiar? The hawker shops and food centres serve authentic
Singaporean food and are a bargain at US$3-5 for an entire meal (main course
+ drink and maybe dessert).

I would suggest you take a visit to Malaysia whilst you're there, if you can
make a trip to the East Coast of Malaya or Taman Negara, where the scenery
is meant to be spectacular, but I reckon it might be a bit tight for 10
days. Of course, a few days in Melaka or Kuala Lumpur might be a nice change
from the more clean (sterile) environment of Singapore.
HVPL - 25 Nov 2003 16:52 GMT
Why does someone travel so far & spend so much time to visit a country?
Do you wish to see the buildings that were built?
The temples, mosques, churches, commercial buildings?
To go shopping? Buy something that you cannot get in your own country?
To see man-made leisure parks .............. zoos, underwater aquariums,
nightspots, grand hotels, etc?
I'd say, click your mouse button & surf the net and you'll see all these and
more in the comfort of your chair in your own home, compliments of Alfred
Molon & Miguel Cruz, among many.

Or is it to experience the people of that country. To understand how they
live & work. What they think about various subjects that are of interest to
you, as well? To experience their various cultures & viewpoints. To taste
the foods they enjoy & eat everyday. What makes Singapore or Malaysia or
Indonesia tick! Feel the heat & humidity of the day, the humid nights, the
torrential rains, floods (if you are lucky). Share the agony of children
trying very, very hard to become First World from Third World. What drives
some Singaporeans to deride their own country that has allowed them a decent
education & living and a precious opportunity to communicate with the world.
And more. 10-days is far too short in any country ............... Singapore
or anywhere.

> > I am traveling through Singapore, with three friends in December and
> > shall be there for 10 days I was wondering if anyone could advise us
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> days. Of course, a few days in Melaka or Kuala Lumpur might be a nice change
> from the more clean (sterile) environment of Singapore.
patshambler - 25 Nov 2003 22:02 GMT
Yes, I am probably contradicting myself here in saying that one can spend
more than 10 days in Singapore, but I agree that it is quite important to
find out about what makes any country unique. A traveller should immerse
themselves as much as possible into the country to find out what makes it
ticks.

However, the reality is that many people remain tourists, see the pretty
views, take the photos and then hit the nightclubs. Sad isn't it?

So don't be a tourist, but a traveller.... yes, and if I start a whole
discussion on the semantics of it, well, so be it!

> Why does someone travel so far & spend so much time to visit a country?
> Do you wish to see the buildings that were built?
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> And more. 10-days is far too short in any country ............... Singapore
> or anywhere.
Tchiowa - 28 Nov 2003 04:22 GMT
> So don't be a tourist, but a traveller.... yes, and if I start a whole
> discussion on the semantics of it, well, so be it!

No need. It's such a simple definition. A traveller is a tourist
travelling on his parent's money, ignoring and often abusing local
people and their traditions, and trying to put on airs by calling
himself a traveller.

That about get it?
patshambler - 28 Nov 2003 06:08 GMT
> > So don't be a tourist, but a traveller.... yes, and if I start a whole
> > discussion on the semantics of it, well, so be it!
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> That about get it?

Touché.... well, whatever one calls it, don't end up ignoring and abusing
local people and their traditions and putting on airs. I've been suckered in
by too many pretentious travel shows :oD And yes, contradicting myself,
traveller does sound quite wanky :o(

HOWEVER, as much as you can do anything you wish when you're on holiday, it
doe seem such a waste to travel to a foreign country just to end up doing
everything you can normally experience in your home country.
bob - 01 Dec 2003 03:26 GMT
So.....a "traveller" is someone who sits around Thai beach geusthouses,
watching Hollywood movies on the video, drinking Bud, smoking Marlboros,
with rock mucic playing in the background, and ragging on about the package
"tourisits" (who are probably sitting in their hotel lobby watching a Thai
dance performance), and how they aren't seeing the REAL Thailand.
I've run into that more times than I care to remember, and couldn't help but
laugh every time.

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> > So don't be a tourist, but a traveller.... yes, and if I start a whole
> > discussion on the semantics of it, well, so be it!
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>
> That about get it?
Markku Grönroos - 01 Dec 2003 03:47 GMT
> So.....a "traveller" is someone who sits around Thai beach geusthouses,
> watching Hollywood movies on the video, drinking Bud, smoking Marlboros,

The American piss is a rarety in Thailand.
bob - 01 Dec 2003 03:51 GMT
Actually, it's all too easy to find. Though why anyone would want to drink
it is beyond me...

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> > So.....a "traveller" is someone who sits around Thai beach geusthouses,
> > watching Hollywood movies on the video, drinking Bud, smoking Marlboros,
>
> The American piss is a rarety in Thailand.
Markku Grönroos - 01 Dec 2003 13:11 GMT
> Actually, it's all too easy to find. Though why anyone would want to drink
> it is beyond me...

Budweiser in Thailand? Well, I must disagree.
bob - 01 Dec 2003 23:40 GMT
Oh, this is silly....

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> > Actually, it's all too easy to find. Though why anyone would want to drink
> > it is beyond me...
> >
> Budweiser in Thailand? Well, I must disagree.
Tchiowa - 01 Dec 2003 10:32 GMT
> So.....a "traveller" is someone who sits around Thai beach geusthouses,
> watching Hollywood movies on the video, drinking Bud, smoking Marlboros,
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>
> Bob

Excellent definition!
Tchiowa - 01 Dec 2003 10:34 GMT
> Bob

Unrelated and off-topic.

What do you use for taking astronomical photographs? I know very
little about the photography side. But I've got a Meade Research
Series 10" Newtonian (yes, that's an old model, but so am I) that I
use for simple viewing. Always wanted to get into photography with it.
I've got all the drives and such.

Any site you can point me to for more info?
bob - 01 Dec 2003 23:44 GMT
Yeah, this certainly is waaaaaaaay off topic, but....

Some of the phots are taken with 35mm film, some with digital cameras, and
some with cooled CCD cameras which were homebuilt specifically for
astrophotography. A digicam is easily the quickest and simplest way to get
into it.
A very good resource to start with is the Yahoo "digital astro" group.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_astro/

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>
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>
> Any site you can point me to for more info?
Eric Edwards - 26 Nov 2003 01:37 GMT
>Why does someone travel so far & spend so much time to visit a country?
>Do you wish to see the buildings that were built?
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>more in the comfort of your chair in your own home, compliments of Alfred
>Molon & Miguel Cruz, among many.

In other words, since *you* have little interest in the creations of
Man, you think that the rest of us should be satisfied looking at photos.

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singaporian - 27 Nov 2003 13:38 GMT
>>Why does someone travel so far & spend so much time to visit a country?
>>Do you wish to see the buildings that were built?
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>In other words, since *you* have little interest in the creations of
>Man, you think that the rest of us should be satisfied looking at photos.

Actually, even the photos on singapore suck.......
alyssa - 28 Nov 2003 09:43 GMT
An interesting article written by a singapore journalist.

http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/columnist/0,1886,262-92481,00.html

> > I am traveling through Singapore, with three friends in December and
> > shall be there for 10 days I was wondering if anyone could advise us
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> days. Of course, a few days in Melaka or Kuala Lumpur might be a nice change
> from the more clean (sterile) environment of Singapore.
Miguel Cruz - 28 Nov 2003 11:05 GMT
> An interesting article written by a singapore journalist.
>
> http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/columnist/0,1886,262-92481,00.html

I disagree with her accusation of her fellow Singaporeans as unfriendly to
visitors.

Every time I've asked for directions (or just looked around confused) I've
been given accurate assistance with a smile. People often go above and
beyond, walking me to the corner to point out exactly where I should go, or
taking the time to chat about where I'm from and what I think of Singapore.
People working in the food business - particularly in Little India where I
do most of my eating - are always very friendly, even remembering me between
visits that may be spaced years apart.

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hvpl - 28 Nov 2003 15:13 GMT
As a Spore resident, I have had my fair share of bad service but generally
service standards are quite acceptable NOT great. The problem is that those
few among many (like those Spore-bashing posts, here) spoil it for many who
had the misfortune to encounter them. Changi airport is the taxi-drivers'
favourite pick-up point, so every traveller this quoted taxi-driver picks up
will pass on the bad experience to a whole lot of friends, later. That was
what Sumiko is driving at. The bad durians spoil the whole basketful. These
should be picked up & thrown out. The faster the better and in any country
that counts tourism as an important industry.

> > An interesting article written by a singapore journalist.
> >
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>
> miguel
alyssa - 04 Dec 2003 08:50 GMT
My dear that is probably because you have an ang moh face.

If you Sumiko's article she also wrote that she could have pretended
to be a Japanese tourist and be treated better.

> > An interesting article written by a singapore journalist.
> >
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>
> miguel
novita77 - 22 Oct 2004 12:14 GMT
> > An interesting article written by a singapore journalist.
> > http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/columnist/0,1886,262-92481,00.html
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> --
> See the world from your web browser: http://travel.u.nu/

Yes I agree, Singaporean are friendly people. Come to middle east...
then you will see that most 'our local' are not that friendly.

I used to lived there for 2 years. Basically we don't like to it to be a
resident there. Everything very exspensive and very fast. But we will
always love it going there as a tourist.
The Man - 30 Nov 2003 08:19 GMT
>I am traveling through Singapore, with three friends in December and
>shall be there for 10 days I was wondering if anyone could advise us
>on good places to visit and go to during our stay.
>
>Aly

Wait.........

Wait...........

nope ,there is nothing to do in Singapore for one day let alone 10

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In the beginning there was nothing........which exploded
mush97 - 21 Oct 2004 08:07 GMT
Any guidance about Adult Entertainment...

> I am traveling through Singapore, with three friends in December and
Pete Loud - 21 Oct 2004 11:00 GMT
What do you mean by "adult entertainment" ?

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> Any guidance about Adult Entertainment...
>
> > I am traveling through Singapore, with three friends in December and
Chris Blunt - 21 Oct 2004 15:28 GMT
>What do you mean by "adult entertainment" ?

I don't think children are generally interested in opera, piano
concertos, ballet,  or classical dancing, so perhaps that's what's
meant by 'adult' entertainment.

>> Any guidance about Adult Entertainment...
>>
>> > I am traveling through Singapore, with three friends in December and
t - 21 Oct 2004 15:22 GMT
no adults in singapore....only juvenile retards.

>Any guidance about Adult Entertainment...
>
>> I am traveling through Singapore, with three friends in December and
Alan Street - 21 Oct 2004 21:00 GMT
> no adults in singapore....only juvenile retards.

Disneyland with a death penalty. What more could a juvenile ask for :-)

> >Any guidance about Adult Entertainment...
> >
> >> I am traveling through Singapore, with three friends in December and
mush97 - 27 Oct 2004 07:41 GMT
Death penalty !!!!!!!!

For what??

> ?
>
> Disneyland with a death penalty. What more could a juvenile ask for :-)
Alan Street - 28 Oct 2004 01:32 GMT
> Death penalty !!!!!!!!
>
> For what??

You obviously haven't been there.

> > ?
> >
> > Disneyland with a death penalty. What more could a juvenile ask for :-)
Tchiowa - 28 Oct 2004 13:57 GMT
> Death penalty !!!!!!!!
>
> For what??

Drug possession, among other things.

> > ?
> >
> > Disneyland with a death penalty. What more could a juvenile ask for :-)
t - 29 Oct 2004 15:12 GMT
>> Death penalty !!!!!!!!
>>
>> For what??
>
>Drug possession, among other things.

Also, Singapoop regularly whips its citizens for offences like
jaywalking, littering, and gum-chewing......
Alan Street - 29 Oct 2004 15:25 GMT
> >> Death penalty !!!!!!!!
> >>
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> Also, Singapoop regularly whips its citizens for offences like
> jaywalking, littering, and gum-chewing......

Don't be silly. They just mail you the invoice for the $500 fine.
Caning is for more serious offences  - like egging cars.
Scott Howard - 30 Oct 2004 14:13 GMT
> Also, Singapoop regularly whips its citizens for offences like
> jaywalking, littering, and gum-chewing......

Actually chewing gum is now allowed in Singapore, but you have to purchase
it from a chemist.

Part of the latest round of US/Singapore trade negotiations, and it was
pushed through based on the dental benefits of chewing gum (thus the
chemist angle)

 Scott
mush97 - 27 Oct 2004 07:40 GMT
A Great thought !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> no adults in singapore....only juvenile retards.
>
> >Any guidance about Adult Entertainment...
svar_i_gruppen - 21 Oct 2004 19:53 GMT
> Any guidance about Adult Entertainment...

Its forbidden, just like many kinds of unnatural sex. But tickets to Bangkok
are very cheap.

Poul
 
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