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Travel Forum / Destinations / Asia / April 2004I would like to leave the UK
Hello. I am from the UK, and wish to leave. Could someone recommend a safe country anywhere in Asia for me to set up a very small online business? I would love to be somewhere rural. Thank you. -dnw. > Hello. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -dnw. Japan Korea Hong Kong Singapore Malaysia Indonesia China Thailand India Bangladesh Bhutan Sri Lanka > > Hello. > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Bhutan > Sri Lanka Are you quite sure a foreigner can set up a business in all of these countries? I know they'll have some problems in Japan and probably Korea. And it's tough to find anything "rural" in Hong Kong. > Are you quite sure a foreigner can set up a business in all of these > countries? I know they'll have some problems in Japan and probably > Korea. And it is also difficult to get even your foot into Bhutan. >>>Hello. >>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > countries? I know they'll have some problems in Japan and probably Korea. > And it's tough to find anything "rural" in Hong Kong. Speaking as a foreigner who has established 3 businesses in Japan, one of them online, all of them in a regional area, I can assure the OP that setting up a business isn't a problem from a visa or legal point of view - more a question of language and business skills.  Signature"Oh don't give me none more of that Old Janx Spirit/ No, don't you give me none more of that Old Janx Spirit/ For my head will fly, my tongue will lie, my eyes will fry and I may die/ Won't you pour me one more of that sinful Old Janx Spirit" > > Hello. > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Bhutan > Sri Lanka Another thing. The infra structure in many of these countries is probably not good enough to support an on-line business, say less the rural area. > > > Hello. > > > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Another thing. The infra structure in many of these countries is probably > not good enough to support an on-line business, say less the rural area. In some case that is true, and especially in rural areas. But major cities in Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia are comparable in Telecomms standards to the UK, and Singapore and Japan are probably better. Check out this link: http://www.made4u.no/hei.html Siggy I don't blame you I could recommend you a 100 and one places but will settle for just one for the moment. How about..drum roll please.........the island of Siquior, The Phillipines. Def rural, def beautiful, not to far away from the more urban Cebu with its cinemas and the like. Its in the visayas region of the Philipines which is away from the nasty folk who want to ver throw the government, world etc and the Philippines itself seems to welcome foreigners in regards to visas etc. Very litle xenophobia compared to other countries you might be considering. Or how about....Naw if you look into this and see a reason why not I'll repost. Joel Asia Hotel Bookings and Travel Ezine www.asiahotelbookings.net > > Hello. > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Bhutan > Sri Lanka He can't set up a business like that in Thailand or Indonesia without a local partner who owns more than 50%. Don't know about the other countries. >Hello. > >I am from the UK, and wish to leave. > >Could someone recommend a safe country anywhere in Asia for me to set >up a very small online business? I would love to be somewhere rural. Malaysia. There is a special zone south of KL called Multimedia Supercorridor where it is relatively uncomplicated to set up an online company. SignatureAlfred Molon http://www.molon.de/Galleries.htm - Photos from Myanmar, Brunei, Malaysia, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal, Egypt, Austria, Budapest and Portugal "Siggy" <brute@online.no> skrev i melding news:... > Check out this link: > > http://www.made4u.no/hei.html > > Siggy "Siggy" <brute@online.no> skrev i melding news:... > "Siggy" <brute@online.no> skrev i melding news:... > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > > Siggy > Hello. > > I am from the UK, and wish to leave. > > Could someone recommend a safe country anywhere in Asia for me to set > up a very small online business? I would love to be somewhere rural. Would you be looking to license the business in your home country and simply do the work remotely? What would you do about your visa? I personally suggest looking into Japan. Osaka, for example, has some programs for businesses looking to come from abroad and set up there. But if you don't need a license, go have a chat with the embassy and see if anything can be done about getting a non-tourist visa. It's difficult to do without an employer in Japan, but possible. Reasons for Japan: you can be in a nice, rural place that isn't god awful expensive but is also close enough to a city (Osaka, Kyoto, Nagoya, Okayama, and any number of places outside Tokyo) to go there for the odd weekend excursion or to pick up some of your favorite items from back home. Only the most rural areas won't have broadband access. Lots of obstacles, but if you can overcome them then I suggest looking into it. John W. > I personally suggest looking into Japan. Osaka, for example, has some > programs for businesses looking to come from abroad and set up [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > of obstacles, but if you can overcome them then I suggest looking into > it. Not a good indea unless you have personal contacts and speak at least some of the language. Reasons: Japan is extremely bureaucratic. Not easy to open a business for a foreigner. Then it is very expensive: Just to rent a simple, low standard flat, will cost you a fortune _before_ you even moved in. Many landlords don't rent to foreigners anyway: There is wide spread racism in Japan, which short term visitors often don't notice, but once you speak the language it can become a nuisance. True, there is broadband internet almost everywhere, but your business must make good money to pay for the high living expenses in Japan. > > I personally suggest looking into Japan. Osaka, for example, has some > > programs for businesses looking to come from abroad and set up [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > True, there is broadband internet almost everywhere, but your business > must make good money to pay for the high living expenses in Japan. again compared with Shanghai: There are single-contact business centres, arranging all paperwork for you to start a business. for free or at nett cost. low cost of living a lot of highly educated people foreigner friendly, no racism to Europeans broadband network 6 EUR/month work permit in 3 hours but language is a barrier to communicate, not in business but in everyday life and watch out for corrupt landlords >broadband network 6 EUR/month >work permit in 3 hours ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Can you expand on this a bit? What are the limitations, presumably a sponsor organization is necessary? The cost, and availability of that and a 1-year business visa? Also, does that carry geographic limitations (can you get permitted in Shanghai and go to Ningbo or Guangdong? Best regards, Spehro Pefhany Signature"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com I would like to live in a foreigner friendly, no racism to Europeans land. Is that true of both Shanghai and Japan? Also, how about Thailand? I was thinking of the north, such as Chiang Mai, but not Bangkok. I checked out the foreign office advice, and it mentions some crime like attacks and assaults, but doesn't specify whereabouts in the country. Could I guess and hypothesise that it could be more in the south of the country, rather than the north? -dnw. > > > I personally suggest looking into Japan. Osaka, for example, has some > > > programs for businesses looking to come from abroad and set up [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > life > and watch out for corrupt landlords "Dot net work" <dotnw@hotmail.com> > I would like to live in a foreigner friendly, no racism to Europeans > land. Is that true of both Shanghai and Japan? Shanghai is definitely foreigner friendly Japan, I don't know... > Also, how about Thailand? I was thinking of the north, such as Chiang > Mai, but not Bangkok. I checked out the foreign office advice, and it > mentions some crime like attacks and assaults, but doesn't specify > whereabouts in the country. Could I guess and hypothesise that it > could be more in the south of the country, rather than the north? Do you need highly educated and ambitius, hardworking and skilled people ? If so, China, certainly Shanghai, has excess of it... Education level in Chang Mai is not as high as in Shanghai. (but probably sufficient for your business ..) If education level is not an issue, consider Myanmar extremely foreigner friendly, Europeans are treated as kings there. but (almost) no internet... > Hello. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -dnw. Shanghai is without any doubth the best choice in China climate, acceptance, facilities,... LAN connection 6 EUR/month appartment 120 m2 kitchen, living room, bathroom,.. 2 bedrooms 500 EUR/month But a licence for your own car: 3000 EUR (approx) > > Hello. > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > EUR/month > But a licence for your own car: 3000 EUR (approx) And it's perfect for him because Shanghai is so rural. And as a British subject he can easily obtain a visa that's allow him to stay long term. Sure. > > > Hello. > > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > subject he can easily obtain a visa that's allow him to stay long term. > Sure. ha ha > Hello. > > I am from the UK, and wish to leave. Why? What are you running from? It would help give people information so that they could tell you what countries are "safe". Whatever you are running from can catch up to you easier in some countries than others. > Could someone recommend a safe country anywhere in Asia for me to set > up a very small online business? I would love to be somewhere rural. > > Thank you. > > -dnw. Nepal is a small country with multiple cultures, customs, religion but harmony in religion and customes here is not any clashes in the name of religion and custome expect f.cking political issues but tourists feel quite comfort to say in Nepal i have met may english pepople who are staying in Nepal for long time. One of friend has make up his mind to stay in Nepal for some years. if you want some assistance from me feel easy to write me. I know here is easy to run some small business too. Regards cp Dhungana > Hello. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -dnw. > Nepal is a small country with multiple cultures, customs, religion but > harmony in religion and customes here is not any clashes in the name [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > feel easy to write me. I know here is easy to run some small business > too. I found Nepal quite enjoyable (for the most part). There might be security concerns considering the political violence in the past few years, but that happens in a lot of places. The only thing I didn't like was the mob in Katmandu of Berkeley fugitives who hadn't bathed in months and didn't seem like they planned to for a few more months. Stay aware from the areas they frequent and it's not a bad place. AS you know beside the political issues Nepal is really nice place to stay. some of the Englsih people are staying here mainly Kathmandu and Pokhar with there business. One of my English friend called Peter also want to stay years if he get business visa or working visa. Political issues doesn't bother the tourist once you can come here and you can check and get experience and analyse before make up your mind. and you can also analyse market. you can make up your mind map which business would get place in Nepal CP Dhungana > > Nepal is a small country with multiple cultures, customs, religion but > > harmony in religion and customes here is not any clashes in the name [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > planned to for a few more months. Stay aware from the areas they > frequent and it's not a bad place. >AS you know beside the political issues Nepal is really nice place to >stay. some of the Englsih people are staying here mainly Kathmandu and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >can also analyse market. you can make up your mind map which business >would get place in Nepal The air in Kathmandu is extremely polluted (people on the streets for instance burn plastic in the morning to heat themselves). SignatureAlfred Molon http://www.molon.de/Galleries.htm - Photos from Myanmar, Brunei, Malaysia, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal, Egypt, Austria, Budapest and Portugal > AS you know beside the political issues Nepal is really nice place to > stay. some of the Englsih people are staying here mainly Kathmandu and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > can also analyse market. you can make up your mind map which business > would get place in Nepal The problem with "political issues" as you call them is that it's hard to escape them pretty much anywhere you go these days. Either some Maoist group, or Islamist group or local independence seekers or whatever is interested in "making a statement" using someone else's blood where ever you go. Nepal is probably no worse in that respect than 100 other countries, and better than some. > CP Dhungana > > > Nepal is a small country with multiple cultures, customs, religion but [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > planned to for a few more months. Stay aware from the areas they > > frequent and it's not a bad place. Hello again, Thanks for your replies! I'm researching all suggestions so far by using the British foreign office www.fco.gov.uk site to get me started. About the small online business: I was thinking of setting up something like mycompany.com on the internet, and just taking it from there. Would I be allowed to do that? By "safe", I was hoping to avoid places where crime against westerners was increasing, such as burglaries and assaults. -dnw. > Hello. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -dnw. > Hello again, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > was increasing, such as burglaries and assaults. > -dnw. On this globe, "safe" is a synonym of "absence of muslims" "Dieter Aaaa" <Dieter Aaaa@pandora.cu> <"Dieter Aaaa" <Dieter Aaaa@pandora.cu>> wrote: >On this globe, "safe" is a synonym of "absence of muslims" Now that's a xenophobic statement. Shame on you. SignatureAlfred Molon http://www.molon.de/Galleries.htm - Photos from Myanmar, Brunei, Malaysia, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal, Egypt, Austria, Budapest and Portugal > "Dieter Aaaa" <Dieter Aaaa@pandora.cu> <"Dieter Aaaa" <Dieter > Aaaa@pandora.cu>> wrote: > > >On this globe, "safe" is a synonym of "absence of muslims" > > Now that's a xenophobic statement. Shame on you. it's a scientific conclusion, it's not a political statement It's not my conclusion, it's based on facts and figures > > "Dieter Aaaa" <Dieter Aaaa@pandora.cu> <"Dieter Aaaa" <Dieter > > Aaaa@pandora.cu>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > it's a scientific conclusion, it's not a political statement > It's not my conclusion, it's based on facts and figures No it isn't. Or you read the bible like devil. Believing in gods in general is not only dangerous but all insane as well. > > > "Dieter Aaaa" <Dieter Aaaa@pandora.cu> <"Dieter Aaaa" <Dieter > > > Aaaa@pandora.cu>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > No it isn't. Or you read the bible like devil. do I ? > Believing in gods in general > is not only dangerous but all insane as well. why do you think I do ? On this globe, "safe" is a synonym of "absence of muslims" > > Believing in gods in general > > is not only dangerous but all insane as well. > > > why do you think I do ? I don't. > Hello. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -dnw. Safety is not a major issue in most places. But being able to set up your business legally can be a serious headeache in most places. Doing it by entering as a tourist may work for a while, though you will have to leave every couple of months (typically), and eventually you will get hassles. My guess is that Malaysia is probably the best option in terms of internet infrastructure in/near rural areas (maybe the Cameron Highlands area is wired), more tolerant bureaucracy than many places and English is widely spoken. I assume you would be able to host your business remotely anyway, somewhere there is good internet performance. You probably do not need to host it in your rural location. I have found Australia the best place for low cost good performance hosting. Then you may not need much more than a good dial-up or moderate braodband where you live/work. Roger (in very non-rural Jakarta) > > Hello. > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > My guess is that Malaysia is probably the best option ..... Malaysia ? You must be joking. Why don't you read the other thread in this ng: "Couple holding hands arrested in Malaysia" The OP asked for a foreigner-friendly country, don't you remember ? "Dieter Aaaa" <Dieter Aaaa@pandora.cu> <"Dieter Aaaa" <Dieter Aaaa@pandora.cu>> wrote: >> Safety is not a major issue in most places. But being able to set up your >> business legally can be a serious headeache in most places. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >The OP asked for a foreigner-friendly country, don't you remember ? You have never been in Malaysia, have you ? SignatureAlfred Molon http://www.molon.de/Galleries.htm - Photos from Myanmar, Brunei, Malaysia, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal, Egypt, Austria, Budapest and Portugal > "Dieter Aaaa" <Dieter Aaaa@pandora.cu> <"Dieter Aaaa" <Dieter > Aaaa@pandora.cu>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > You have never been in Malaysia, have you ? it's out of your business Apparently, you are defending islam without knowing where you are talking about.: http://www.bharatvani.org/books/demogislam.pdf http://www.faithfreedom.org/ http://www.hinduunity.org/ http://www.carm.org/islam.htm http://muslim-quotes.netfirms.com/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/ab/jumma/ >> "Dieter Aaaa" <Dieter Aaaa@pandora.cu> <"Dieter Aaaa" <Dieter >> Aaaa@pandora.cu>> wrote: >> >Malaysia ? >> >You must be joking. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Apparently, you are defending islam without knowing where you are talking >about.: [snip irrelevant anti-Muslim websites] Go to Malaysia before being confident in your preconceptions about the country and its people. Malaysians are among the most helpful and friendly people I've met in my travels around the world. And the reason why the arrest and trial of the Chinese-Malaysian couple is such a scandal is because it's rare for couples to be arrested for "public indecency" (they're accused of hugging and kissing, not just holding hands) in socially liberal KL, and clear indications that the whole thing is due to police corruption. Also, since you think being among Muslims is unsafe, I suppose you believe that it's dangerous to visit all-Muslim villages in Malaysia, right? Schmuck! Michael If you would like to send a private email to me, please take out the TRASH, so to speak. Please do not email me something which you also posted. > >> "Dieter Aaaa" <Dieter Aaaa@pandora.cu> <"Dieter Aaaa" <Dieter > >> Aaaa@pandora.cu>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > country and its people. Malaysians are among the most helpful and > friendly people I've met in my travels around the world. Probably true, but they are still muslims with the assignment to destroy Christianity AND Buddism Not one other religion is so fanatic against his "competitors" Apparently, you are defending islam without knowing where you are talking about.: http://www.bharatvani.org/books/demogislam.pdf http://www.faithfreedom.org/ http://www.hinduunity.org/ http://www.carm.org/islam.htm http://muslim-quotes.netfirms.com/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/ab/jumma/ >> >> "Dieter Aaaa" <Dieter Aaaa@pandora.cu> <"Dieter Aaaa" <Dieter >> >> Aaaa@pandora.cu>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Probably true, but they are still muslims Yes, most are (c. 60%). So what? >with the assignment to destroy Christianity AND Buddism [snip] Bullshit! You contemptible ignoramus! Go to Terengganu and ask people whether they are trying to annihilate adherents to other religions. Oh, I forgot, you prefer the totalitarian thuggery in Burma to the much more liberal and a thousand times better-run Malaysia... Michael If you would like to send a private email to me, please take out the TRASH, so to speak. Please do not email me something which you also posted. > > > Hello. > > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > The OP asked for a foreigner-friendly country, don't you remember ? I did read it. And if you read further you will find that the police say the couple were doing rather more than holding hands. The issue is to be decided in court. Admittedly there are some strict restrictions on Muslims in (parts of) Malaysia that do not apply to non Muslims. But when I have been there I found it very foreigner-friendly. Have you ever been there? If so what problems did you have? Roger > > > > Hello. > > > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > I did read it. And if you read further you will find that the police say the > couple were doing rather more than holding hands. even then so what ? > The issue is to be decided in court. > Admittedly there are some strict restrictions on Muslims in (parts of) > Malaysia that do not apply to non Muslims. "No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session." Mark Twain (1866) > But when I have been there I found it very foreigner-friendly. Have you ever > been there? If so what problems did you have? > Roger Why shoutd i spend one single EURO in a country with such kind of laws even when these laws do not apply to me as a foreigner It's insane, brutal and medivial Apparently, you are defending islam without knowing where you are talking about.: http://www.bharatvani.org/books/demogislam.pdf http://www.faithfreedom.org/ http://www.hinduunity.org/ http://www.carm.org/islam.htm http://muslim-quotes.netfirms.com/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/ab/jumma/ > "RAK" <rakrak@NOSPAMattglobal.net> schreef: >> Safety is not a major issue in most places. But being able to set up your [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > The OP asked for a foreigner-friendly country, don't you remember ? The couple arrested were not foreigners. There is not a chance in hell that non-Muslim foreigners would be arrested (or even looked at funny) in KL for holding hands. Malaysia is really as foreigner-friendly as any country in that region gets, especially when it comes to what the original poster was after (high-tech business with foreign capital). And as others have said, the infrastructure is very good in most of the peninsula. miguel SignatureHit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu > > "RAK" <rakrak@NOSPAMattglobal.net> schreef: > >> Safety is not a major issue in most places. But being able to set up your [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > non-Muslim foreigners would be arrested (or even looked at funny) in KL for > holding hands. Does that matter ? I don't want to stay in a country that is treating his citizens in such a way No thanks >> > "RAK" <rakrak@NOSPAMattglobal.net> schreef: >> >> Safety is not a major issue in most places. But being able to set up [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >way >No thanks Right. You prefer the murderous Burmese regime. Hypocrite! Michael If you would like to send a private email to me, please take out the TRASH, so to speak. Please do not email me something which you also posted. Please read the OP. He prefers a rural location. > > Hello. > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Roger (in very non-rural Jakarta) > Please read the OP. He prefers a rural location. Umm, yes. That is why I mentioned the Cameron Highlands. What is your point? > > > Hello. > > > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > > > Roger (in very non-rural Jakarta) >> Please read the OP. He prefers a rural location. >> >Umm, yes. That is why I mentioned the Cameron Highlands. What is your point? That would indeed be a pleasant place. What's the situation with this sort of "subsistence business" officially? I talked to a couple of Europeans in island Malaysia a few years ago and they found it extremely difficult to get a work permit, even if married to a Malaysian citizen. Of course that doesn't mean that they can't work for themselves, and not hiring any locals, necessarily.. depending on what their official status is. Even "retired" people often do enough securities trading etc. to sort-of be in business for themselves. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany Signature"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com >>> Please read the OP. He prefers a rural location. >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >what their official status is. Even "retired" people often do enough >securities trading etc. to sort-of be in business for themselves. How about Labuan? I had a friend who operated his business from there and it suited him perfectly. As an offshore financial centre it has low taxes and uncomplicated business rules. Rural. Good telecommunications and other infrastructure. Chris How about SRI LANKA..the Pearl of the Indian Ocean.?. Get a tour organised by surenb@natureodyssey.com and see for your self the rural areas of Ceylon and I am sure you will find a suitable place to locate your DOT COM Business. Senanie ==================== Senanie de Silva York-Ceylon Promotions (ABN 79 391 730 495) Tel/Fax : +61 2 9402 5062 e-mail : york-ceylon@bigfoot.com > Hello. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -dnw. |
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