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Travel Forum / Destinations / Asia / November 2005bangkok denturist
hi all, i'm going to be spending some time in bangkok and want to get a partial plate made while i'm there... my company plan doesn't cover it and i've heard that bangkok has relatively cheap, good quality dentists and doctors etc... can anyone make a recommendation for a denturist or give me some suggestions as to how i might best go about finding one? thanx in advance, walk > can anyone make a recommendation for a denturist or give me some > suggestions as to how i might best go about finding one? I've had very good results with my dental work at Bumrungrad Hospital in the Nana district. At least they'll be good for a knowledgeable referral for your particular needs. -S- http://www.bumrungrad.com/htm/eng/main.asp >> can anyone make a recommendation for a denturist or give me some >> suggestions as to how i might best go about finding one? > >I've had very good results with my dental work at Bumrungrad Hospital in >the Nana district. Bumrumgrad in Nana?? I thought the main hospital was near New Petchuburi Road. In any case, you are missing the point of the OP message. The person is asking.... " Where can I get a set of dentures for a lot less than I can buy them for in Canada" which is sort of like saying "where can I take advantage of the 2 tier health care in Thailand." which is exactly like saying.. "I am a cheap bastard and want to buy dentures for 1/2 the price I'd have to pay for them at home." Nothing wrong with that I guess. If it were me answering this I'd say: a) look in the yellow pages. b) Look in the windows of the denturists and see which one might suite you. > >> can anyone make a recommendation for a denturist or give me some > >> suggestions as to how i might best go about finding one? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > If it were me answering this I'd say: > a) look in the yellow pages. Then why didn't you? This is a newsgroup for gaining information, sort of like the yellow pages but more personal. > b) Look in the windows of the denturists and see which one might suite > you. Petty, picky jerk. You're making distinctions without differences. Bumrungrad Hospital (33 Sukhumvit 3 [Soi Nana Nua], Wattana, Bangkok 10110 Thailand). The word is "suit" and it's "BumruNgrad", dickweed. If he wants to save money on dental work that's his business. Why throw away thousands of dollars on Western dentists when the Thais are eager to have your trade? >Petty, picky jerk. You're making distinctions without differences. Bumrungrad >Hospital (33 Sukhumvit 3 [Soi Nana Nua], Wattana, Bangkok 10110 Thailand). > The word is "suit" and it's "BumruNgrad", dickweed. Not that you are picky huh?? >If he wants to save >money on dental work that's his business. Why throw away thousands of dollars >on Western dentists when the Thais are eager to have your trade? Which is exactly what I said I think?? "nothing wrong with that I guess"...... Not that you are picky. Dipshit. > "I am a cheap bastard... I can only assume you're one of the overpriced, protected dentists of North America, sheltered (like your brethren lawyers) until now, from offshore competition. Tighten your belt. -S- >>> can anyone make a recommendation for a denturist or give me some >>> suggestions as to how i might best go about finding one? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Bumrumgrad in Nana?? I thought the main hospital was near New >Petchuburi Road. Bumrungrad is on Sukhumvit soi 3, also known as soi Nana Nua.. >In any case, you are missing the point of the OP message. The person >is asking.... " Where can I get a set of dentures for a lot less than [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >for 1/2 the price I'd have to pay for them at home." Nothing wrong >with that I guess. Not only nothing wrong with it, but an excellent idea. You can get dental treatment done in Thailand to a standard as good as almost anywhere in the world, and at much lower cost. >If it were me answering this I'd say: >a) look in the yellow pages. >b) Look in the windows of the denturists and see which one might suite >you. He's looking for advice from someone with experience of using a dentist there. That's surely better than picking a company from yellow pages who you know nothing about. Chris On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:59:27 +0800, Chris Blunt >>Bumrumgrad in Nana?? I thought the main hospital was near New >>Petchuburi Road. > >Bumrungrad is on Sukhumvit soi 3, also known as soi Nana Nua.. According to their web site it's on Soi 1. also it is closer to New Petchburi Road than Sukhumvit. 33 Sukhumvit 3 (Soi Nana Nua), Wattana, Bangkok 10110 Thailand >>In any case, you are missing the point of the OP message > >Not only nothing wrong with it, but an excellent idea. You can get >dental treatment done in Thailand to a standard as good as almost >anywhere in the world, and at much lower cost. I don't agree with that. I've had dealings with both Bangkok-Pattaya Hospital in Pattaya and with BumRUNgrad in both Bangkok and Rayong. The level of health care is excellent, at least as good as westen care, but the cost is not at all lower. Lab tests that I have had done have been about 5% more expensive in Thailand. My daughters treatment for allergy to dust mites (I know, I know- but try and tell her MOTHER that it's easy to control them...) was slightly more expensive than it would have been in the west. >>If it were me answering this I'd say: >>a) look in the yellow pages. >>b) Look in the windows of the denturists and see which one might suite >>you. How would you select a denturist in Canada I wonder?? >He's looking for advice from someone with experience of using a >dentist there. That's surely better than picking a company from yellow >pages who you know nothing about. Actually, he's doing nothing of the sort. He's trying to circumvent his own health care system and then will brag to his co-workers/family about how he 'won' by going to a third world country. No No. Bullshit. Thaiiland is very much a third world country. The fact that it's a Plutocracy confuses a lot of people. Check the one single thing that is the definitive indicator of 'third worldism' and you will see instantly that this is correct. What do you mean what is it? Education of course. The majority of posters about Thailand in this news group are more interested in Thai hookers than Thai society. Too bad they don't have kids in school there. They would change their tune pretty quickly. >On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:59:27 +0800, Chris Blunt >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >33 Sukhumvit 3 (Soi Nana Nua), Wattana, Bangkok 10110 Thailand Hospital is shown on their map as located on Soi 1, the residences are shown as located on Soi 3. http://www.bumrungrad.com/images/map.jpg ok ok. I goofed. sorry. >>On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:59:27 +0800, Chris Blunt >>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >sorry. They occupy the entire area between those two sois, but their main entrance and the official address they give on their web site and their printed materials is soi 3. Chris > Actually, he's doing nothing of the sort. He's trying to circumvent > his own health care system from the tone of your posts, it's evident that facts are not going to get in the way of your chest-thumping rants... but the canadian health-care system has NOTHING to do with dentistry or denturists, so no circumventing here, just choosing not to give my business to a member of a cartel that charges ridiculously high fees because they can... and what the hell would "circumventing" mean in this context anyway? > > Actually, he's doing nothing of the sort. He's trying to circumvent > > his own health care system [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > and what the hell would "circumventing" mean in this context anyway? Anyone who willingly pays the hideously exorbitant fees of (American--all I can speak for) dentists obviously has advanced decay reaching the brain. -S- > On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:59:27 +0800, Chris Blunt > >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > According to their web site it's on Soi 1. also it is closer to New > Petchburi Road than Sukhumvit. It's neither. It's between Soi 1 & 3. Entrances from both sois. Entrance is slightly physically closer to Soi 1 and much more convenient. Soi 1 isn't accesible from Petchaburi. > >>In any case, you are missing the point of the OP message > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I don't agree with that. I do. I've personally had lots of dental work done at Bumrungrad and the quality is every bit as good as in the US. And the price for the work is less than the deductible on my insurance if I have it done in the US. > I've had dealings with both Bangkok-Pattaya > Hospital in Pattaya and with BumRUNgrad in both Bangkok and Rayong. I hope the capitalized RUN was not an attempt at showing the pronunciation because it's wrong. It's Bum-rung-rad. > The level of health care is excellent, at least as good as westen > care, but the cost is not at all lower. Lab tests that I have had done > have been about 5% more expensive in Thailand. My daughters treatment > for allergy to dust mites (I know, I know- but try and tell her MOTHER > that it's easy to control them...) was slightly more expensive than it > would have been in the west. I have 4 caps on my front teeth (remnants of a mis-spent youth). 30 years later with a bit of receding gums they no longer fit properly. In the US I was given a price of $1,100 *EACH* to replace them ($4,400 all together). Had it done at Bumrungrad for less than $500 total. I go in for cleaning regularly. Less than $40. > >>If it were me answering this I'd say: > >>a) look in the yellow pages. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > his own health care system and then will brag to his co-workers/family > about how he 'won' by going to a third world country. No way. No law or moral ethic requires that he have all his work done in Canada. Besides it's a fairly common practice for Canadians to "circumvent" their failing medical system. I read an article not too long ago that said that close to 1/4 of Canadians buy separate private insurance and have their medical care done in the US. Not because the care in Canada is bad but rather because it's not available. Long waiting lists, etc. And the price for care that's not covered by the national insurance (cosmetic or other elective procedures) is every bit as expensive as in the US and hard to find. Plus on weekends it's difficult to find a doctor because many of them cross the border to the US to "moonlight" on weekends to supplement their state-controlled wages. Bottom line is that (just as predicted) their attempt at a government health care system has resulted in a 2-tier system. Those wealthy enough to afford private insurance get good care when they want. Those who can't afford insurance get good care but wait forever and can't get elective treatments. > No No. Bullshit. Thaiiland is very much a third world country. That sentence demonstrates that you either: 1) Have never been in Thailand, or 2) Have never been in an actual 3rd World Country. Thailand is *NOT* 3rd World. Far from it. I've lived and worked in Angola, Congo, Kazakhstan, Papua Niugini, Nigeria, Australia and other true 3rd World Countries. No comparison to Thailand. > The > fact that it's a Plutocracy confuses a lot of people. Check the one [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > They would change their tune pretty quickly. > Papua Niugini, Papua New Guinea. Funny, you spell it like a Englishman would pronounce it.  SignatureAlfred Molon http://www.molon.de - 6000 photos from Asia, Africa and Europe > > Papua Niugini, > > Papua New Guinea. Funny, you spell it like a Englishman would pronounce > it. > -- Or indeed how a Papua New Guinean would pronounce it. "Niugini" is the Tok Pisin way of spelling it, as in Air Niugini. George W. Russell Bangalore > > > Papua Niugini, > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Or indeed how a Papua New Guinean would pronounce it. "Niugini" is the > Tok Pisin way of spelling it, as in Air Niugini. Exactly. I spent about a year there and got used to spelling it that way. And as you clearly know a bit about the place you'll understand when I say that the correct phrase would be "how a Citizen would pronounce it". :-) >>Thailand is *NOT* 3rd World. Far from it. I've lived and worked in Angola, Congo, Kazakhstan, Papua Niugini, Nigeria, Australia and other true 3rd World Countries. No comparison to Thailand.<< Absolutely right!! There's no comparison in income, standard of living, quality of health care, protection of the environment - or any other measure of quality of life - between Australia and Thailand!!! In fact - if Australia's 3rd world - Thailand is 6th world!! and Papua Niugini's off the scale! >> On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:59:27 +0800, Chris Blunt >> >> [quoted text clipped - 98 lines] >> >> They would change their tune pretty quickly. >>>Thailand is *NOT* 3rd World. Far from it. I've lived and worked in >Angola, Congo, Kazakhstan, Papua Niugini, Nigeria, Australia and other [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >In fact - if Australia's 3rd world - Thailand is 6th world!! and Papua >Niugini's off the scale! LOL I found this quite funny also , to state that OZ is a 3rd world country. Obviously the poster is blinded by his own ignorance. > >>>Thailand is *NOT* 3rd World. Far from it. I've lived and worked in > >Angola, Congo, Kazakhstan, Papua Niugini, Nigeria, Australia and other [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Obviously the poster is blinded by his own ignorance. Hmmm. It appears that a couple of people can't cope with a bit of "tongue in cheek" humor. You've certainly educated us about your level of understanding. Thanks for playing. Better luck next time. (Of course you will have changed your ID again by then, won't you?) >Hmmm. It appears that a couple of people can't cope with a bit of >"tongue in cheek" humor. You've certainly educated us about your level >of understanding. > >Thanks for playing. Better luck next time. (Of course you will have >changed your ID again by then, won't you?) My reply was not directed at you , so there was no need for your attempt at a snide reply. >Bottom line is that (just as predicted) their attempt at a government >health care system has resulted in a 2-tier system. Those wealthy >enough to afford private insurance get good care when they want. Those >who can't afford insurance get good care but wait forever and can't get >elective treatments. <LOL> Typical US health-care industry propaganda. Hilarious. It was coming really thick during the Clinton years. Tell it to the vast majority of Canadians who overwhelmingly support the system. To US employers who are struggling to afford insurance for their workers (if they offer it at all). And to the more than 45,000,000 uninsured Americans. I don't know ANY Canadian who has travelled to the US for health care (old folks getting sick while wintering in Florida don't count). I do know Americans who have severe health and related financial problems. Sure-- the single-pay system is about to collapse. Just like the similar systems in all of Western Europe, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, Japan, and now Taiwan. The US is the ONLY developed country that does not have universal basic health care for its citizens. And, by objective measures such as life expectancy and infant mortality and medical-related bankruptcies, Americans suffer as a result. In any case, normal dental (not involving surgery etc.) is not covered by provincial health plans in Canada, so it's irrelevant in this case. Dental care is covered by self-insurance, private insurance or group plans, just like in the US, and just as expensive. And procedures the dentist wants done may be refused by the insurance company, as was a $2,000 procedure my dentist wanted to do. That's why the OP wants to have the work done more cheaply offshore. If it was covered by medicare he'd almost certainly have it done at home. Since it isn't, the difference may pay for his tickets and a nice vacation. Good on him. I was looking at a tooth whitening procedure myself. Costs $500 at my dentist and $100 in Asia-- same materials and equipment used in the US or Canada. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany Signature"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com > >Bottom line is that (just as predicted) their attempt at a government > >health care system has resulted in a 2-tier system. Those wealthy [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > they offer it at all). And to the more than 45,000,000 uninsured > Americans. LOL Yourself. The 45 Million figure is also propaganda from the Socialist Left. A study was done on that number and the actual figure was about 20 million without "private" insurance and virtually all were poor who are already covered by government health care. You are right that the majority of Canadians support the program. They think they are getting something for free. Just like the majority of Americans support Social Security. The bill hasn't come due yet. I'm looking at the probability that Social Security will be out of business when I retire. I get to pay the bill for previous generation's pensions. I would like "free" health care now but I just can't bring myself to tell my grand-daughter that she won't be able to get health care when she gets old. Also note that the reason that Canadian health care is cheap is because of their government price and wage controls. I saw a debate on TV about a year ago where Pfizer was claiming that Canada no longer develops new drugs because of their price controls. The Canadian government representative said that this was nonsense. Canadian companies (according to him) had, in fact, patented *2* new drugs in the last decade. ***2***!!!!! And the Canadian government funded development of both. Development of drugs has all but ended in Canada because of price controls. Yes, drugs are cheap. Today. But the bill will come due. It always does with a Socialized system. Ask the Russians. > I don't know ANY Canadian who has travelled to the US for health care > (old folks getting sick while wintering in Florida don't count). The hospitals in New York and Minnesota and other states on the Canadian-US border often have more Canadian patients than Americans. Read the medical journals. > I do > know Americans who have severe health and related financial problems. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > country that does not have universal basic health care for its > citizens. Yes it is going to collapse. Sweden has begun reviewing its policy because it's failing. In the UK there are frequent lawsuits about availability of care. A recent court ruling in the UK said that the government had to pay for Brits to go out of the country for medical care because the wait was too long. And the phrase "Universal Basic Health Care" is a euphemism for "Socialized Medicine". Socialism has proven to always be a short term success and a long term failure. > And, by objective measures such as life expectancy and > infant mortality and medical-related bankruptcies, Americans suffer as > a result. Nonsense. The life expectancy of Americans is slightly lower than some other countries. But look inside the numbers. LIfe expectancy is only partly related to medical care. It includes all other figures. If, for example, you have a culture where a significant portion of young people are doing drugs and have related health problems and many die violent deaths then that reduces the life expectancy. The US has those problems. Same with infant mortality. The frequency of drug-related infant deaths skews the numbers. Those are problems that need to be dealt with and Americans suffer from them, as you point out, but they have *nothing whatsoever* to do with private insurance vs. Socialized Medicine. > In any case, normal dental (not involving surgery etc.) is not covered > by provincial health plans in Canada, so it's irrelevant in this case. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > procedure myself. Costs $500 at my dentist and $100 in Asia-- same > materials and equipment used in the US or Canada. And I agree with all of that. >On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:59:27 +0800, Chris Blunt >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >According to their web site it's on Soi 1. also it is closer to New >Petchburi Road than Sukhumvit. According to their web site, and according to the business card from the doctor I saw there last week, their address is Sukhumvit soi 3. The fact that they may be closer to Petchburi Road makes no difference to that. Its still Nana district. >33 Sukhumvit 3 (Soi Nana Nua), Wattana, Bangkok 10110 Thailand > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >that it's easy to control them...) was slightly more expensive than it >would have been in the west. OK, if that's was what you found then that's what it was, but I think most people's experience is that dentistry, and other types of medical treatment are generally cheaper in Thailand than they are in western countries. I do agree that Bumrungrad is one of the more expensive hospitals and the savings may not be that great there. Most Thai people would consider it very expensive. >>>If it were me answering this I'd say: >>>a) look in the yellow pages. >>>b) Look in the windows of the denturists and see which one might suite >>>you. > >How would you select a denturist in Canada I wonder?? I'd do exactly the same, ask a local person to recommend one. Chris |
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