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none - 24 Dec 2005 16:36 GMT
Incredible gem scam story: 'Finally, she became tired and really went
crazy, not pretendedly, by her body language such as her short breadth,
shaking shoulders, beating desk hands, and angrily opened eyes' -
December 22, 2005

Dear www.2Bangkok.com:

I want to report you that I am a new victim for the gem scam, too.
(2005 Dec 4 afternoon) The scam shop is S.S.S. Jewelry Limited
Partnership. As the content of the email about S.S.S. Jewelry published
on your website, I also met a nice Thai who can speak good English but
the location was Ratchadamneon Road, near Khao San Road. He very
friendly talked to me, asking many questions such as where I am going
to, where am I from, how many days have I stayed in Bangkok, how many
days will I stay in Bangkok, etc, and finally suggested me a visiting
route, and circled them on my map. That first site is Wat Intharawihan,
second site is Wat Benchamabophit, third is an Thai Export (at that
moment, I don't know what he meant), and the forth(final) site is Wat
Sunthon. He said that some of those wats are free visited today for
King's birthday also brought me to a Tuk Tuk driver and automatically
help me to bargain the Tuk Tuk fee from 40 baht for 20 baht and claimed
20 baht was the true price. Unfortunately, this is my first time taking
Tuk Tuk in Bangkok, I don't know the actual and reasonable fee for such
sightseeing. I stepped into the trap.

In the first site, Wat Intharawihan, nothing happened. But in the
second site, Wat Benchamabophit, I met a 3 touts. The first one, weared
like a manager, told me that it was noon rest time for the Wat and
asked me to sit down in a chair to wait 10 minutes until the Wat opened
again. On the chair, another tout sat already, he can speak very good
English and claimed that he run a Thai restaurant in USA. In fact, he
played the role to explain details, to answer questions, and to lure
victims to S.S.S. Jewelry Limited Partnership. The baits (lies) are
that 1. the shop is on sale now, only once per year. 2. The shop is the
only one controlled by government, so it is much cheaper than any other
jewelry shop. 3. Besides, Thailand Ruby's export tax is 195%, very
high. 4. I can resell it in my home country to earn my the traveling
money. (It is the main reason I hooked) 5. He has done it every years
more than 10 years. ( He claimed that he wait for the shop's discount
every year and comes back to this home country Thailand for vacation.)
6. He showed his purchasing receipt by S.S.S. Jewelry from his wallet
to make an image that all he told to me was true. He even prepared a
Thai newspaper full of photos of gems and gem workers and claimed it is
the advertisement for the discount of that S.S.S.

He emphasized many times that I am very lucky to know this news on the
last day. After hearing his story, the first one who looks like a
manager came to tell me the Wat opened again, I can visit it. When I
entered the Wat, another tout, a white man, weared completely like a
tourist, appeared in the entrance at the same time to visit the Wat. It
seemed occasional, but in fact arranged. He talked to me naturally and
claimed that he came from London and often visited Thailand. He
controlled his speed of visiting the Wat to go with me together, seems
occasionally. During visiting the Wat, he chatted many things with me
and mentioned he also bought jewelry from the S.S.S. Jewelry shop every
year and resold them on other countries to earn traveling money.
Similarly, he showed his purchasing receipts form S.S.S. Jewelry to
enhance the those lies. When visiting Wat Benchamabophit, I felt a
little strange. In the wat, many children plays and many adults chat.
It didn't look like just taking a noon rest. After visiting this Wat,
the second tout, who claimed he runs a restaurant in USA, still sat the
chair and I went to say good-bye for him. I felt another thing strange,
why did he talk to another tourist, a black women, very happily, and
his purchasing receipt is on the chair, not in his wallet?

Although I felt something strange, I didn't find that was a big scam.
Thereafter, I went to the S.S.S. Jewelry shop and heard every details
from the clerks the same as the touts. For example, 1. it is the last
day of the discount week. 2. Only foreign tourists can buy. 3. Every
tourist only can buy three times. 4. The ruby in their shop is really
much cheaper than my nation's shop. 5 Any items sold from this shop
only can be for personal use, not allowed for reselling. Those clerks
even emphasized that they wished me to buy less or cheaper ones at the
first time. They want to make friends rather than making money.

It was strange, too. But I didn't understand Jewelry shop clearly,
especially in Thailand, not my home country. I was very worried at that
moment. Was I making a mistake? I didn't bring my credit card, so I ask
them to let me consider what to buy when I come back to my guest house
taking my credit card. All of their employees are female, and one of
them went with me to take my credit card. I felt very regretful that I
didn't consult Internet when I came back to take my credit card and did
it after purchasing. After coming back to the S.S.S. Jewelry, I meet
the black woman again. I am still very worried, so I asked her if she
know ruby's price in her country, but she didn't know. All of those
employees who promotes their items to me saw I was very worried, but
they claimed that I should be happy, not be worried, because their
price is really low and really good. Their ruby is local product, and
really worthy for the price. But I still could not make a good
decision. I was still very worried because I knew my information is not
enough. Finally, they claimed that it was the last day of the discount
week and they had to close early to check all items and pressed me on
to make a decision. So, after purchasing 2 gems in S.S.S., I came back
to an Internet Shop soon and found your website, read the similar story
as mime. I knew I was unfortunately hooked. I soon came back to S.S.S.,
but it did close, all items are not on the desk. For my most effort, I
notified my credit card bank immediately, but they said they can't
cancel the payment because when I bought those gems, I was on my
willing, not forced.

I carefully read the gem scam articles in your website, and felt much
thankful for you for providing information for victims such as me to
get some help and to prevent next victim. I know that I had been hooked
already and what I can do is merely to notify TAT, tourists police, and
my nation's agency in Thailand. Today is Thailand King's birthday(DEC 5
2005), so both TAT and S.S.S. Jewelry are closed. My nation's agency
has emergency call and have promised that one of their employee can go
with me to S.S.S. Jewelry
tomorrow but I have to suffer some money loss for the shop's return
charging, maybe 20%. They said I was the 2nd unfortunate person who
fell in such trap this year from my country, Taiwan.

The final result was that I took back 91.86% (135000/146960). One of my
embassy's employee called to S.S.S. this morning with pure speaking in
Thai language and get a promise to return gems with full money but
charge additional 3~5% credit card fee. However, it was not true. When
I went to the shop alone, the process is very terrible. The manager, a
woman, denied any promise of 3~5% and claimed no any refund because I
had singed on a agreement listed that. Besides, she also threatened me
for any possible claims such as She claimed she would call the Police
to kick me out of the shop, she claimed she didn't want to talk to me
any more and call her lawyers to talk with me (with handing up her cell
phone), she claimed that she even can close the shop immediately and
not to waste any time to negotiate with me. However, she didn't do what
she claimed. But she did call in a very huge Thai man to force me to
talk to her in a small room in 2rd floor and she claimed she couldn't
guarantee my body's safety if I didn't follow. Sometimes she was even
so angry that she told me openly that this is a gem scam and everyone
who told to me in the trap can get a commission totally 40% of my
payment immediately after I sign my name on the credit card receipt.
About the percentage and the time touts get money, maybe it is a lie,
maybe it is a truth. I mention this only to emphasize the process was
very very unreasonable.

I spent more than 3 hours in the shop to beg her to uplevel the refund
started from 70%. Of course, she threatened me and always claimed the
amount is the final limit. But it did become more and more when I
consisted to beg her and continuously apologized to calm her anger.
>From 102870(70%), to 110000, to 120000, to 130000, to 135000. Finally,
she became tired and really went crazy, not pretendedly, by her body
language such as her short breadth, shaking shoulders, beating desk
hands, and angrily opened eyes. She claimed they loss more than me
because they have paid those touts and lost more than me so she can't
uplevel any more. She claimed I have to decide immediately to accept
this amount or kicking me out of the shop. I thought the best record
95% report by other victim for S.S.S. was hard to reach again and
agreed with her in 135000. After I singed the refund sheet, she even
apologized to me for make me loss so much, and told me "business is
business, I can't understand". (now I get the idea what she meant is
that to threaten victims during the negotiation is the unavoidable way
to make more money in such business) She even sincerely kindly (not
pretended behavior as 2 day before when I got hooked) linked my arm
downstairs and told me to be careful before I walked out the door.

After leaving S.S.S., I took the copy of the refund sheets to my
embassy for confirmation because most of the sheet is printed and
written in Thai characters I can't know so I have to ask for a
believable person rather than S.S.S.'s employees and manager to
confirmed it. My embassy's employee confirmed it and told me that I can
get the refund.

By the way, I am writing my complete experience including every
detailed conversation with everyone involved and the scanned images of
every documents involved. I want to publish it as a paper book
exhibited in bookstores and libraries to prevent next victim in my
country. Now, I have written the story down almost 75% but in Chinese,
not in English.

More on the Gem Scam & maps to the scam stores
Chameleon - 24 Dec 2005 18:33 GMT
Actually, they won't really harm you, because you have been picked as
one of those goody two shoes types. I doubt they would try this scam on
someone with tattoos.

Gems are difficult to price, but what other product could they do? At
least it has some value, if you agreed to buy it.
AleXX - 25 Dec 2005 11:21 GMT
>Actually, they won't really harm you, because you have been picked as
>one of those goody two shoes types. I doubt they would try this scam on
>someone with tattoos.
>
>Gems are difficult to price, but what other product could they do? At
>least it has some value, if you agreed to buy it.

There is a vast difference in price between natural gemstones
such as ruby/saphire/emerald, and those that have been colour
enchanced by radiation......the way to test is to put the stone
under ultra-violet light......
bob_a_booie - 26 Dec 2005 16:37 GMT
I thank you for you sincerity and hope this will prevent tourists from
being scammed in such a manner. It is a shame TAT allows this ripoff to
occur.
I am sure there is quality jewellery to be purchased but not at ripoff
joints that are part of the itenerary of  the  local TukTuk driver.

I guess the touts are an annoyong but apparently fixed part
of the  tourist experiance in LOS.  Sometimes I think the touts
are convincing the other wise decent Thai business man to run such
scams.

I remeber almost buying an autherntic Kashmiri carpet in Chiang Mai
when the Indian salesman changed the pice for Baht to USD!

Do these stores accept USD or travellers checks ?  Oh they don't
well my credit card number is 5555555555 I live in 555 5th avenue NYC
LOL

Just my 2 satang
k-man - 28 Dec 2005 08:03 GMT
Friend,

I fell for this gem scam in Bangkok last year, when i was looking for
an engagement ring for my girlfriend.  I love sapphire, and that's what
they were touting.  They tried to get me to buy a lot of stuff in order
to make money when I got back to the US and could sell the jewelry, but
I only bought a simple ring b/c that's all I wanted--but I was very
tempted to spend all the money I had.  The guys who lured me into it
did a great job--really good actors.  The whole setup was so
elaborate--only in hindsight was it clear how the system worked.  Watch
out for anyone advising a visit to the "Lucky Buddha"!

I paid the money, cash, and got the ring.  Two hours later, using
Google at an internet cafe, it was soon apparent I'd been ripped off.
The gem scam was famous--and, embarrassingly, my guide book even
described it.

But... when I got back to the States and took the ring to a jewelry
store, it turned out that the sapphire, diamonds, and white gold
setting were real, it's just that they were only worth about half of
what I paid.

Fine, the joke was on me...  And so I proposed with the ring anyway,
and told my girlfriend that there was a good story behind it, which I
would tell her if she said "yes."  I was very nervous.  But she "yes",
and we had a really good laugh about it.

The ring is worth a lot more to us now than it would have been without
the scam.  I think she feels good to be with a guy who admits to being
an idiot.  Most women discover the truth painfully over a much longer
period of time.

It sucks to be the victim of foolery and injustice, but there's an
appropriately Buddhist lesson there if you can be of a mind to laugh
about it.

sympathetically,

`k

> Incredible gem scam story: 'Finally, she became tired and really went
> crazy, not pretendedly, by her body language such as her short breadth,
[quoted text clipped - 165 lines]
>
> More on the Gem Scam & maps to the scam stores
 
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