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Surreyman - 01 Jul 2008 09:25 GMT
It's reported in Uk today that whilst the Dutch have followed others
in banning smoking in public areas, the marijuana cafes are allowed to
continue - as long as tobacco isn't smoked    !!!!!!!!!!!

Surreyman
Puffin' Billy - 01 Jul 2008 09:33 GMT
> It's reported in Uk today that whilst the Dutch have followed others
> in banning smoking in public areas, the marijuana cafes are allowed to
> continue - as long as tobacco isn't smoked    !!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Surreyman

come to Belgium, we lurv cancer....
Mxsmanic - 01 Jul 2008 12:10 GMT
> It's reported in Uk today that whilst the Dutch have followed others
> in banning smoking in public areas, the marijuana cafes are allowed to
> continue - as long as tobacco isn't smoked    !!!!!!!!!!!

Odd, since marijuana is much harder on the lungs than tobacco, according to a
study I saw (it claimed that marijuana smoke is 16 times more irritating to
lung tissue).
William Black - 01 Jul 2008 12:53 GMT
>> It's reported in Uk today that whilst the Dutch have followed others
>> in banning smoking in public areas, the marijuana cafes are allowed to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> to
> lung tissue).

And drinking alcohol kills even more...

Your point?

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Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
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Puffin' Billy - 01 Jul 2008 13:18 GMT
> >> It's reported in Uk today that whilst the Dutch have followed others
> >> in banning smoking in public areas, the marijuana cafes are allowed to
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> All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
> Time for tea.

mixi is 16x more irritating ?
Mxsmanic - 01 Jul 2008 22:42 GMT
> And drinking alcohol kills even more...
>
> Your point?

That objectivity is lacking.
William Black - 02 Jul 2008 00:57 GMT
>> And drinking alcohol kills even more...
>>
>> Your point?
>
> That objectivity is lacking.

Not really.

I'd rather spend an evening in an Amsterdam 'coffee house' than a night in a
British city centre pub.

There's a lot less chance of getting hurt...

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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) - 02 Jul 2008 01:02 GMT
> >> And drinking alcohol kills even more...
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> There's a lot less chance of getting hurt...

it depends on the pub. I've never had a problem in ones I frequent.

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William Black - 02 Jul 2008 10:14 GMT
>> >> And drinking alcohol kills even more...
>> >>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> it depends on the pub. I've never had a problem in ones I frequent.

If you can find a 'Tap and Spile' you're usually ok,  but most city centre
pubs in the UK have some sort of risk of violence.

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Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) - 02 Jul 2008 10:21 GMT
> >> >> And drinking alcohol kills even more...
> >> >>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> If you can find a 'Tap and Spile' you're usually ok,  but most city centre
> pubs in the UK have some sort of risk of violence.

Not here they don't. I mentioned a couple in another post, but there are
plenty others which come to mind. Far more of a risk on the streets than
in the pubs.

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JohnT - 02 Jul 2008 10:29 GMT
>> >> >> And drinking alcohol kills even more...
>> >> >>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> plenty others which come to mind. Far more of a risk on the streets than
> in the pubs.

William won't agree, of course, because you are insisting on confusing the
isssue with facts.
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David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) - 02 Jul 2008 10:38 GMT
> >> >> >> And drinking alcohol kills even more...
> >> >> >>
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> William won't agree, of course, because you are insisting on confusing the
> isssue with facts.

OK, I'll list some more nice pubs!

Lass o' Gowrie, near the BBC
Kro and Kro2 on Oxford Road. (More 'bars' and a bit too trendy, but
pleasant, if a little pricey.)
Sandbar

Even had a nice night at The Grand Central playing pool a few months
ago, and that use to be a biker bar!

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Tim C. - 02 Jul 2008 10:48 GMT
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:38:20 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.ukDavid Horne, _the_
chancellor wrote:

> Even had a nice night at The Grand Central playing pool a few months
> ago, and that use to be a biker bar!

OY! Wotz rong wiv bikerzz?  

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David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) - 02 Jul 2008 10:55 GMT
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:38:20 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.ukDavid Horne, _the_
> chancellor wrote:
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>
> OY! Wotz rong wiv bikerzz?  

When they leave the bike outside, nothing! :)

Actually, I'm just thinking- I live within 10 minutes walk of an
alarming number of pubs! :)

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Tim C. - 02 Jul 2008 13:41 GMT
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:55:46 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.ukDavid Horne, _the_
chancellor wrote:

>> OY! Wotz rong wiv bikerzz?  
>
> When they leave the bike outside, nothing! :)

ok, that's alright then.  :)

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Mike..... - 02 Jul 2008 13:47 GMT
Following up to Tim C.

>> When they leave the bike outside, nothing! :)
>
> ok, that's alright then.  :)

whats wrong with bringing your bike or horse into the bar, this is
political correctness gone mad!
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Tim C. - 02 Jul 2008 13:52 GMT
> Following up to Tim C.
>
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> whats wrong with bringing your bike or horse into the bar, this is
> political correctness gone mad!

They leave nasty stains under the seats.
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yeadeagisss - 07 Jul 2008 17:45 GMT
> Actually, I'm just thinking- I live within 10 minutes walk of an
> alarming number of pubs! :)

If they're good pubs, there's nowt alarming about it! ;-)

Peveril of the Peak, Briton's Protection, even the yuppie-ish Rain Bar
are not at all bad, no sir, and I know that's just scratching the
surface.  Manchester has been and remains a great city for classic
pubs and real ale.
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) - 07 Jul 2008 18:02 GMT
yeadeagisss <dai/gea/isss/0nne/3hrree/zer0/zer0_@_geea/maiil.c0mx>
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> > Actually, I'm just thinking- I live within 10 minutes walk of an
> > alarming number of pubs! :)
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> surface.  Manchester has been and remains a great city for classic
> pubs and real ale.

Those are about the closest to where I live!

The closest, technically, is probably the City Road Inn, which I've
never been in. (Doesn 't appeal.)

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Mike..... - 02 Jul 2008 11:12 GMT
Following up to Tim C.

> OY! Wotz rong wiv bikerzz?

twice my trips have coincided with biker rallyes, both groups *looked* uber
scary, neither were. In the restaurant some petit bourgeois looked sniffily
at them, i noted the PBs ordered steak and chips with rose while the bikers
had the local scallops...........
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William Black - 02 Jul 2008 11:27 GMT
> Following up to Tim C.
>
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> bikers
> had the local scallops...........

Having,  some time ago, spent time organising biker rallies I have to report
the 'born again biker's motto.

'There ain't no poor folks running big bikes'

A lot of reasonably wealthy people spend a lot of time and money trying to
look like some sort of outlaw biker.

As a general rule they work with computers in an office...

Just like everyone else...

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Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Mike..... - 02 Jul 2008 11:34 GMT
Following up to William Black

> A lot of reasonably wealthy people spend a lot of time and money trying to
> look like some sort of outlaw biker.

reckon so :-) A lot of these werent born agains though and some of the
bikes were fairly modest, but they all gave themselves away by body
language and politeness.

> As a general rule they work with computers in an office...

just like the people trying to look like the sort of people who associate
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Tim C. - 02 Jul 2008 13:44 GMT
> Having,  some time ago, spent time organising biker rallies I have to report
> the 'born again biker's motto.
>
> 'There ain't no poor folks running big bikes'

They are an expensive hobby nowadays.

> A lot of reasonably wealthy people spend a lot of time and money trying to
> look like some sort of outlaw biker.
>
> As a general rule they work with computers in an office...
>
> Just like everyone else...

Just like me. Except I don't look like, nor do I want to look like an
outlaw. But you're right, a lot do.
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Mike..... - 02 Jul 2008 13:50 GMT
Following up to Tim C.

> Just like me. Except I don't look like, nor do I want to look like an
> outlaw. But you're right, a lot do.

we chat to a diminutive female demonstrator at our supermarket, we just
found out she has a Vincent in the garage!
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Tim C. - 02 Jul 2008 13:56 GMT
> Following up to Tim C.
>
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> we chat to a diminutive female demonstrator at our supermarket, we just
> found out she has a Vincent in the garage!

Wow, I haven't seen one of those for years. Classic.
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Mxsmanic - 02 Jul 2008 13:35 GMT
> Not here they don't. I mentioned a couple in another post, but there are
> plenty others which come to mind. Far more of a risk on the streets than
> in the pubs.

Where there are drugs, there's a heightened risk of violence.  Alcohol is
especially notorious in this respect.
Mike..... - 02 Jul 2008 13:39 GMT
Following up to Mxsmanic

> Where there are drugs, there's a heightened risk of violence.  Alcohol is
> especially notorious in this respect.

actually you need two things, alcohol + morons.
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Mxsmanic - 02 Jul 2008 13:58 GMT
> actually you need two things, alcohol + morons.

Someone who consumes alcohol in significant quantities is very likely to be
unintelligent, so combining the two is not as difficult as one might think.
Mike..... - 02 Jul 2008 14:19 GMT
Following up to Mxsmanic

>> actually you need two things, alcohol + morons.
>
> Someone who consumes alcohol in significant quantities is very likely to be
> unintelligent

nope, lots of intelligent people drink too much.
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Mxsmanic - 02 Jul 2008 14:29 GMT
> nope, lots of intelligent people drink too much.

Empirically, I've seen far less substance abuse among intelligent persons than
among the population at large, and particularly people who aren't very bright.
Tim C. - 02 Jul 2008 14:54 GMT
>> nope, lots of intelligent people drink too much.
>
> Empirically, I've seen far less substance abuse among intelligent persons than
> among the population at large, and particularly people who aren't very bright.

Ah, that proves it then.

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Mike..... - 02 Jul 2008 15:21 GMT
Following up to Mxsmanic

> Empirically, I've seen far less substance abuse among intelligent persons than
> among the population at large, and particularly people who aren't very bright.

while the media depict yob culture and pub binge drinkers, the professional
middle classes sink bottle after bottle of wine at home.
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yeadeagisss - 02 Jul 2008 16:41 GMT
>>nope, lots of intelligent people drink too much.
>
> Empirically, I've seen

Your observations are irrelevant.  There are numerous examples of
intelligent, accomplished people who enjoyed their drink, sometimes
to excess, sometimes not.

You number among none of these kinds of people.
William Black - 02 Jul 2008 16:54 GMT
>> nope, lots of intelligent people drink too much.
>
> Empirically, I've seen far less substance abuse among intelligent persons
> than
> among the population at large, and particularly people who aren't very
> bright.

That's Winston Churchill stuffed then.

He drank a bottle of brandy a day...

Mind you,  think of the violence he perpetrated...

Hitler, on the other hand,  was teetotal.

And...

Erm...

Something wrong here...

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Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Mike..... - 02 Jul 2008 17:31 GMT
Following up to William Black

> He drank a bottle of brandy a day...

and smoked
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singlemalt - 02 Jul 2008 17:10 GMT
> nope, lots of intelligent people drink too much.

If you are very intelligent, given today's world, you will, of necessity,
drink too much.
William Black - 02 Jul 2008 16:52 GMT
>> Not here they don't. I mentioned a couple in another post, but there are
>> plenty others which come to mind. Far more of a risk on the streets than
>> in the pubs.
>
> Where there are drugs, there's a heightened risk of violence.  Alcohol is
> especially notorious in this respect.

I've yet to meet a violent pot head.

Come to think of it,  people who drink coffee to excess aren't noted for
violence either...

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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Mxsmanic - 02 Jul 2008 20:16 GMT
> I've yet to meet a violent pot head.

I've yet to meet a successful one.
yeadeagisss - 02 Jul 2008 20:21 GMT
>>I've yet to meet a violent pot head.
>
> I've yet to meet a successful one.

So?

I've met several.
Dave Smith - 04 Jul 2008 20:59 GMT
> > I've yet to meet a successful one.
>
> So?
>
> I've met several.

Me too... doctors, lawyers, university professors, teachers,
business people etc.
yod-yog+ais - 06 Jul 2008 18:48 GMT
On 7/4/2008 12:59 PM Dave Smith ignored two million years of human
evolution to write:

>>> I've yet to meet a successful one.
>> So?
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> Me too... doctors, lawyers, university professors, teachers,
> business people etc.

As is typical, kicking the props out from Anthony's flimsy
paroxysms of bloviation will have the usual result:  he'll just
run away and stop posting his inane twaddle.  He's not able to
process counter-arguments to his babblings; at best all he can
do is reply with useless non-sequiturs.

And of course, he's still utterly unable to actually discuss
the primary topic of this (or any other) newsgroup.
William Black - 02 Jul 2008 21:27 GMT
>> I've yet to meet a violent pot head.
>
> I've yet to meet a successful one.

Tony Blair?

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Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

JohnT - 02 Jul 2008 21:42 GMT
>>> I've yet to meet a violent pot head.
>>
>> I've yet to meet a successful one.
>
> Tony Blair?

I bet that Tony was really thrilled when he met you. When was it, and what
were you both consuming at the time?
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William Black - 02 Jul 2008 21:56 GMT
>>>> I've yet to meet a violent pot head.
>>>
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> I bet that Tony was really thrilled when he met you. When was it, and what
> were you both consuming at the time?

I really have pissed on your chips at some time in the past haven't I.

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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) - 03 Jul 2008 03:18 GMT
> > I've yet to meet a violent pot head.
>
> I've yet to meet a successful one.

I'm surprised. Unsuccessful people often hang out together. Are you
really that vile in real life?

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Mxsmanic - 03 Jul 2008 03:38 GMT
> I'm surprised. Unsuccessful people often hang out together. Are you
> really that vile in real life?

No, but I'm not a drug user.  Drug users like to hang out with other drug
users.
Mike..... - 03 Jul 2008 07:58 GMT
Following up to Mxsmanic

> No, but I'm not a drug user.  Drug users like to hang out with other drug
> users.

yesp, down the pub and we rnjoy ourselves, something you fail to do, so
perhaps youre talking out of your arse?
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Mxsmanic - 03 Jul 2008 14:17 GMT
> yesp, down the pub and we rnjoy ourselves, something you fail to do, so
> perhaps youre talking out of your arse?

You've just confirmed what I said.
Mike..... - 03 Jul 2008 14:27 GMT
Following up to Mxsmanic

>> yesp, down the pub and we rnjoy ourselves, something you fail to do, so
>> perhaps youre talking out of your arse?
>
> You've just confirmed what I said.

that drinkers get on with others drinkers more than they would with
miserable gits, true.
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Mxsmanic - 03 Jul 2008 16:06 GMT
> that drinkers get on with others drinkers more than they would with
> miserable gits, true.

Drinkers are drug users, and they prefer the company of other drug users.
Mike..... - 03 Jul 2008 16:37 GMT
Following up to Mxsmanic

>> that drinkers get on with others drinkers more than they would with
>> miserable gits, true.
>
> Drinkers are drug users,

how naive do you think I am? You think i'll be shocked by the idea drink is
a drug? LOL
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Mxsmanic - 03 Jul 2008 17:37 GMT
> how naive do you think I am? You think i'll be shocked by the idea drink is
> a drug? LOL

Most people tend not to think of alcohol as a "drug," because it's legal and
it's everywhere.
Mike..... - 03 Jul 2008 17:49 GMT
Following up to Mxsmanic

>> how naive do you think I am? You think i'll be shocked by the idea drink is
>> a drug? LOL
>
> Most people tend not to think of alcohol as a "drug," because it's legal and
> it's everywhere.

you underestaimate your audience.
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William Black - 03 Jul 2008 19:07 GMT
> Following up to Mxsmanic
>
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>
> you underestaimate your audience.

He always underestimates his audience...

That's why he hasn;t got any money.

Who'd hire a Paris tour guide who talks down to you,  especially while he's
wearing hiking boots and shorts...

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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

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William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Mxsmanic - 03 Jul 2008 19:14 GMT
> ... especially while he's wearing hiking boots and shorts ...

Sounds like European thinking.  If they worry about what I wear, they are too
snooty.
Mike..... - 03 Jul 2008 19:24 GMT
Following up to Mxsmanic

>> ... especially while he's wearing hiking boots and shorts ...
>
> Sounds like European thinking.

as in IBM?
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Mxsmanic - 03 Jul 2008 20:07 GMT
> as in IBM?

IBM is a U.S.-based company.
Mike..... - 03 Jul 2008 20:08 GMT
Following up to Mxsmanic

>> as in IBM?
>
> IBM is a U.S.-based company.

exactly
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Mxsmanic - 03 Jul 2008 20:15 GMT
> exactly

So what is your point?
Mike..... - 03 Jul 2008 20:18 GMT
Following up to Mxsmanic

>> exactly
>
> So what is your point?

IBM is american and has/had a dress code that isnt boots shorts and a
beard.
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Mxsmanic - 03 Jul 2008 23:12 GMT
> IBM is american and has/had a dress code that isnt boots shorts and a
> beard.

Why do you mention IBM, but not Microsoft, Google, Apple, and other similar
multibillion-dollar companies?
William Black - 04 Jul 2008 00:12 GMT
>> IBM is american and has/had a dress code that isnt boots shorts and a
>> beard.
>
> Why do you mention IBM, but not Microsoft, Google, Apple, and other
> similar
> multibillion-dollar companies?

Because the IBM dress code is famous.

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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Mxsmanic - 04 Jul 2008 00:51 GMT
> Because the IBM dress code is famous.

Mainly because it was always exceptional.
William Black - 04 Jul 2008 11:10 GMT
>> Because the IBM dress code is famous.
>
> Mainly because it was always exceptional.

Like the FBI you mean?

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Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Mxsmanic - 04 Jul 2008 11:44 GMT
> >> Because the IBM dress code is famous.
> >
> > Mainly because it was always exceptional.
>
> Like the FBI you mean?

Yes.
Mike..... - 04 Jul 2008 15:58 GMT
Following up to Mxsmanic

>> Like the FBI you mean?

therrs suits in the US and people in shorts here, stop talking bolox
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Tim C. - 07 Jul 2008 13:47 GMT
>>>> Because the IBM dress code is famous.
>>>
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>
> Yes.

I used to wear jeans and t-shirts mostly when I worked at IBM. I wasn't the
only one. Only managers wore suits.

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David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) - 07 Jul 2008 13:57 GMT
> >>>> Because the IBM dress code is famous.
> >>>
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> I used to wear jeans and t-shirts mostly when I worked at IBM. I wasn't the
> only one. Only managers wore suits.

i only wore a tie once in the last 5 or 6 years, and that was so I could
get into Buckingham Palace! :)

I don't wear jeans and t-shirts at work though- because I don't like
them! :)

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Mike..... - 04 Jul 2008 15:59 GMT
Following up to Mxsmanic

>> Because the IBM dress code is famous.
>
> Mainly because it was always exceptional.

and american
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Mike..... - 04 Jul 2008 15:59 GMT
Following up to Mxsmanic

>> IBM is american and has/had a dress code that isnt boots shorts and a
>> beard.
>
> Why do you mention IBM, but not Microsoft, Google, Apple, and other similar
> multibillion-dollar companies?

because i mentioned IBM
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William Black - 03 Jul 2008 19:35 GMT
>> ... especially while he's wearing hiking boots and shorts ...
>
> Sounds like European thinking.  If they worry about what I wear, they are
> too
> snooty.

You live in Paris you imbecile.

Snootiness is a way of life there.

Their dogs are better dressed than you are...

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Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
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Mxsmanic - 03 Jul 2008 20:08 GMT
> You live in Paris you imbecile.

So?

> Snootiness is a way of life there.

That depends on which part of society you frequent.

> Their dogs are better dressed than you are...

Have you actually been to Paris?
William Black - 03 Jul 2008 20:42 GMT
>> You live in Paris you imbecile.
>
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>
> That depends on which part of society you frequent.

And which part do you frequent?

>> Their dogs are better dressed than you are...
>
> Have you actually been to Paris?

Of course.

Expensive,  divine food,  excellent museums, wonderful shopping,  snobby
unpleasant people.

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Mxsmanic - 03 Jul 2008 23:12 GMT
> Of course.
>
> Expensive,  divine food,  excellent museums, wonderful shopping,  snobby
> unpleasant people.

So you've been a tourist in Paris.
William Black - 04 Jul 2008 00:12 GMT
>> Of course.
>>
>> Expensive,  divine food,  excellent museums, wonderful shopping,  snobby
>> unpleasant people.
>
> So you've been a tourist in Paris.

Of course.

If I lived there I would have to live in a cupboard and eat sh.t...

Oh...

Sorry...

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William Black - 03 Jul 2008 17:05 GMT
>> that drinkers get on with others drinkers more than they would with
>> miserable gits, true.
>
> Drinkers are drug users, and they prefer the company of other drug users.

But in your terms just about everyone is a drug user.

In fact I think it is just you...

Sitting by yourself.

Alone and all afraid.

Too scared to go out and have a drink and make some friends...

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Time for tea.

Mxsmanic - 03 Jul 2008 17:38 GMT
> Too scared to go out and have a drink and make some friends...

Apparently my point is not being made.  I find drinking and making friends
boring.  I'd rather work on the PC.
William Black - 03 Jul 2008 19:07 GMT
>> Too scared to go out and have a drink and make some friends...
>
> Apparently my point is not being made.  I find drinking and making friends
> boring.  I'd rather work on the PC.

That is a deeply sad statement.

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Time for tea.

Mike..... - 03 Jul 2008 19:09 GMT
Following up to William Black

>  I find drinking and making friends
>> boring.  I'd rather work on the PC.
>
> That is a deeply sad statement.

twin it with "I never trust anyone"
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Mxsmanic - 03 Jul 2008 19:15 GMT
> That is a deeply sad statement.

Only to someone who enjoys drinking and making friends.

When I see people wasting their lives getting drunk in pubs and talking about
inconsequential things with a cigarette in their mouths every single night, I
find it sad, too.  But obviously they seem to enjoy it.
Mike..... - 03 Jul 2008 19:23 GMT
Following up to Mxsmanic

> Only to someone who enjoys drinking and making friends.

sigh

> When I see people wasting their lives getting drunk in pubs and talking about
> inconsequential things

which can end up with a relationship or at least a legover

>with a cigarette in their mouths every single night, I

you are *really* out of touch

> find it sad, too.  But obviously they seem to enjoy it.

its called life, you will find all the great poets and writers do it. Many
did it in Paris.....
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Mxsmanic - 03 Jul 2008 20:10 GMT
> which can end up with a relationship or at least a legover

I don't want these things; perhaps they do.

A friend of mine who spent most of her teens and twenties clubbing told me
that ultimately the whole purpose of the entire activity is to find a sex
partner for the evening and get drunk enough to not care who that person is.

That doesn't sound like fun to me.

> its called life, you will find all the great poets and writers do it. Many
> did it in Paris.....

There is more to life than pubs, drugs, and small talk.  I accept that some
people like these things; why do they refuse to accept that I don't?
Mike..... - 03 Jul 2008 20:27 GMT
Following up to Mxsmanic

>> which can end up with a relationship or at least a legover
>
> I don't want these things; perhaps they do.

of course, 99% of us do

> A friend of mine who spent most of her teens and twenties clubbing told me
> that ultimately the whole purpose of the entire activity is to find a sex
> partner for the evening and get drunk enough to not care who that person is.

clubbing is not going to the pub, it usually involves putting the world to
rights, if you do it right. Ask an Irishman.

> That doesn't sound like fun to me.

shagging women as one night stands is fantastic fun.

>> its called life, you will find all the great poets and writers do it. Many
>> did it in Paris.....
>
> There is more to life than pubs, drugs, and small talk.

nobody said there wasnt, the same people who get drunk, put the world to
rights and cant remember the solution in the morning also take great
photos, paint, write etc etc (some of the best photos ive recently seen are
the work of a bloke who hangs round bordellos in spain)

> I accept that some
> people like these things; why do they refuse to accept that I don't?

I happy to accept it, I'm  telling you why most everybody worth knowing
thinks otherwise.
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Mxsmanic - 03 Jul 2008 23:14 GMT
> of course, 99% of us do

So the other 1% can just be dismissed?

> shagging women as one night stands is fantastic fun.

Here again, what you like and what I like are obviously different.

> nobody said there wasnt, the same people who get drunk, put the world to
> rights and cant remember the solution in the morning also take great
> photos, paint, write etc etc (some of the best photos ive recently seen are
> the work of a bloke who hangs round bordellos in spain)

Most of the ones I know just get drunk.

> I happy to accept it, I'm  telling you why most everybody worth knowing
> thinks otherwise.

Why are people who think as I do not worth knowing?
Mister B - 04 Jul 2008 13:57 GMT
> Why are people who think as I do not worth knowing?

Because they're boring nerds, like you?

B;
Mike..... - 04 Jul 2008 15:59 GMT
Following up to Mxsmanic

>> of course, 99% of us do
>
> So the other 1% can just be dismissed?

if you dont want to be dismissed, make a case for your lifestyle.

>> shagging women as one night stands is fantastic fun.
>
> Here again, what you like and what I like are obviously different.

obviously.

>> nobody said there wasnt, the same people who get drunk, put the world to
>> rights and cant remember the solution in the morning also take great
>> photos, paint, write etc etc (some of the best photos ive recently seen are
>> the work of a bloke who hangs round bordellos in spain)
>
> Most of the ones I know just get drunk.

very few people "just get drunk", most have jobs and interests, some are
poets, you will have a job showing poets typically dont drink, have sex
etc.

>> I happy to accept it, I'm  telling you why most everybody worth knowing
>> thinks otherwise.
>
> Why are people who think as I do not worth knowing?

because you cant demonstrate anything about your lifestyle that is
positive, or even debate in a positive and constructive way on usenet.
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Mxsmanic - 05 Jul 2008 05:18 GMT
> very few people "just get drunk", most have jobs and interests, some are
> poets, you will have a job showing poets typically dont drink, have sex
> etc.

I know a lot of people, particularly young adults, who spend most of their
spare time getting drunk.  Sometimes they are more interested in getting drunk
than in the socialization that sometimes goes with it.
Mike..... - 05 Jul 2008 11:56 GMT
Following up to Mxsmanic

>> very few people "just get drunk", most have jobs and interests, some are
>> poets, you will have a job showing poets typically dont drink, have sex
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> spare time getting drunk.  Sometimes they are more interested in getting drunk
> than in the socialization that sometimes goes with it.

then you need to find more interesting people.
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Mxsmanic - 06 Jul 2008 06:11 GMT
> then you need to find more interesting people.

This behavior is endemic among Anglophones.
yod-yog+ais - 06 Jul 2008 18:44 GMT
On 7/5/2008 10:11 PM Mxsmanic ignored two million years of human
evolution to write:

> This behavior is endemic among Anglophones.

To which behavior are you referring?  As you routinely do, you've
destroyed so much of the context of the thread by stripping out
relevant text, it's no longer possible to tell.  Why do you do this?
The "save bandwidth" excuse is a non-starter (and a non-sequitur as
well).
Mxsmanic - 06 Jul 2008 23:21 GMT
> To which behavior are you referring?

Binge drinking.
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) - 06 Jul 2008 23:24 GMT
> > To which behavior are you referring?
>
> Binge drinking.

I'll take you back a few posts, if you don't mind. When you wrote...

"When I see people wasting their lives getting drunk in pubs and talking
about inconsequential things with a cigarette in their mouths every
single night, I find it sad, too.  But obviously they seem to enjoy it."

...I'm reminded that you haven't travelled abroad for a long time. Did
the bailiffs take your passport as well as your microwave?

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Mxsmanic - 07 Jul 2008 08:57 GMT
> I'll take you back a few posts, if you don't mind. When you wrote...
>
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> ...I'm reminded that you haven't travelled abroad for a long time. Did
> the bailiffs take your passport as well as your microwave?

I see plenty of people from the UK right here.  And in any case, the data
support what I say, and so do observers in the country itself.  It's a
widespread problem, and it's disgusting.
Mike..... - 07 Jul 2008 09:44 GMT
Following up to Mxsmanic

> I see plenty of people from the UK right here.  And in any case, the data
> support what I say, and so do observers in the country itself.  It's a
> widespread problem, and it's disgusting.

even those few who do these things and currently occupy the red tops, have
a better time than you.
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David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) - 07 Jul 2008 10:05 GMT
> > I'll take you back a few posts, if you don't mind. When you wrote...
> >
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>
> I see plenty of people from the UK right here.  

In pubs with cigarettes in their mouths?

Have you left your flat in recent years?

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Surreyman - 07 Jul 2008 14:49 GMT
> > I'll take you back a few posts, if you don't mind. When you wrote...
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> support what I say, and so do observers in the country itself.  It's a
> widespread problem, and it's disgusting.

I enjoy it, and I'm not disgusting.

Surreyman
yod-yog+ais - 07 Jul 2008 01:45 GMT
On 7/6/2008 3:21 PM Mxsmanic ignored two million years of human
evolution to write:

> Binge drinking.

As you routinely do, you've destroyed so much of the context of the
thread by stripping out relevant text, it's no longer possible to
actually figure out the topic to which you are referring.  It just
appears to bet more of your paroxysms of bloviating.

Why do you do this?

The "save bandwidth" excuse is a non-starter (and a non-sequitur as
well).
Mxsmanic - 07 Jul 2008 09:00 GMT
> As you routinely do, you've destroyed so much of the context of the
> thread by stripping out relevant text, it's no longer possible to
> actually figure out the topic to which you are referring.

And yet you've written a rather long reply to a post that, by your own
admission, you do not understand.  You cannot possily be targeting the
issuing, so you must be targeting the person. What is that called, again?
Tim C. - 07 Jul 2008 14:24 GMT
> You cannot possily be targeting the
> issuing,

why not?
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Mike..... - 07 Jul 2008 14:29 GMT
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> why

indeed!
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yeadeagisss - 07 Jul 2008 17:36 GMT
>>As you routinely do, you've destroyed so much of the context of the
>>thread by stripping out relevant text, it's no longer possible to
>>actually figure out the topic to which you are referring.
>
> And yet you've written a rather long reply to a post that, by your own
> admission, you do not understand.  

I never claimed I didn't understand it.  I claimed that you destroyed
context in your response(s), which you do repeatedly.  The inference
was yours, and is false.  It is typical of very stupid people to arrive
at such false conclusions without checking the facts first.

And once again, you cut context to reply to only the parts that were
convenient to you.

So I'll remind you, again:

> Why do you do this?
>
> The "save bandwidth" excuse is a non-starter (and a non-sequitur as
> well).

You seem to be incapable of answering this.  Why?

> You cannot possily be targeting the
> issuing,

Incorrect.

> so you must be targeting the person.

Which person would this be?  It can't be you.  You aren't a person.

You're just a name on a screen.

> What is that called, again?

If you don't know, that's your problem, not mine.
Mike..... - 07 Jul 2008 09:42 GMT
Following up to Mxsmanic

>> To which behavior are you referring?
>
> Binge drinking.

believe it or not, most people can drink without "binge drinking"
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grusl - 07 Jul 2008 11:07 GMT
> Following up to Mxsmanic
>
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>
> believe it or not, most people can drink without "binge drinking"

I've just had 10 days of pub experiences in London, the Cotswolds and
Cornwall. Nice beer and good company, both strange and familiar. I imagine
it's one of the great pleasures of English life.

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David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) - 07 Jul 2008 11:09 GMT
> > Following up to Mxsmanic
> >
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> Cornwall. Nice beer and good company, both strange and familiar. I imagine
> it's one of the great pleasures of English life.

It is, and all the more pleasant for being able to breathe! Apparently,
one of the casualties of the smoking ban are dry cleaners. Makes sense!

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Mike..... - 07 Jul 2008 11:24 GMT
Following up to d4g4h4@yahoo.co.ukDavid Horne, _the_ chancellor

> one of the casualties of the smoking ban are dry cleaners. Makes sense!

this is true, but sales are well down and still falling. Food is filling
the gap.
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Mike..... - 07 Jul 2008 11:32 GMT
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> this is true, but sales are well down and still falling. Food is filling
> the gap.

i should have said "wet" sales.
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Surreyman - 07 Jul 2008 14:51 GMT
> Following up to d4g...@yahoo.co.ukDavid Horne, _the_ chancellor
>
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And, reportedly, a dozen pubs are closing each week.
But that doesn't help the 30% or so who smoke.

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Mxsmanic - 07 Jul 2008 13:43 GMT
> believe it or not, most people can drink without "binge drinking"

Yes, but many of them engage in binge drinking by choice.
Mike..... - 07 Jul 2008 14:25 GMT
Following up to Mxsmanic

>> believe it or not, most people can drink without "binge drinking"
>
> Yes, but many of them engage in binge drinking by choice.

believe it or not, most people do drink without "binge drinking"
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Tim C. - 07 Jul 2008 14:25 GMT
> Following up to Mxsmanic
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> believe it or not, most people can drink without "binge drinking"

In Mixiworld(tm) just looking at a drink is a binge.
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Mike..... - 07 Jul 2008 14:35 GMT
Following up to Tim C.

>> believe it or not, most people can drink without "binge drinking"
>
> In Mixiworld(tm) just looking at a drink is a binge.

all my life ive gone down the pubs in a small group, had a few beers and a
good argument, eyed up the crumpet and then gone for a curry, it was
usually called a "session", now a load of professional miserablists like
Mixi, smarmy god botherers like blair and assorted other wet pillocks call
it binge drinking,  I dont know, I god didnt want me to drink beer he
wouldnt have given me a beer gut, would he? "Its political correctness gone
mad" .  
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William Black - 07 Jul 2008 14:36 GMT
>> Following up to Mxsmanic
>>
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>
> In Mixiworld(tm) just looking at a drink is a binge.

In Mixiworld a cup of tea is 'binge drinking'.

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David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) - 07 Jul 2008 14:38 GMT
> >> Following up to Mxsmanic
> >>
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>
> In Mixiworld a cup of tea is 'binge drinking'.

In Mixiworld a cup of tea is unaffordable!

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Mike..... - 07 Jul 2008 09:42 GMT
Following up to Mxsmanic

>> then you need to find more interesting people.
>
> This behavior is endemic among Anglophones.

unlike underquoting to make comments meaningless which is restricted to a
few people who think posting nonsense on usenet more interesting than
shagging women or having a laugh down the pub.
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Tim C. - 07 Jul 2008 14:23 GMT
>> then you need to find more interesting people.
>
> This behavior is endemic among Anglophones.

And almost everyone else as well.
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yod-yog+ais - 06 Jul 2008 18:45 GMT
On 7/4/2008 9:18 PM Mxsmanic ignored two million years of human
evolution to write:

> I know a lot of people, particularly young ad