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HBD - 11 Jul 2008 23:13 GMT
Just coming back from Prague. Lots of problems. People who cannot or do not
want to speak english or german or french. Very bad service. Dangerous
drivers. They almost killed us. We had to pay for using plates in the
restaurants, They cheated on everýthing, the police took our car, even tough
there was no reason for it. We had to pay 1450 Kc to get the car back but,
as I wanted them to call the embassy, I didn't have to pay "the penalty". If
you want a good advice: Buy a book with pictures of Prague and go to
Budapest. This is a nice city in a nice country.
Bruno
Jack Campin - bogus address - 12 Jul 2008 00:21 GMT
> Just coming back from Prague. Lots of problems. People who cannot or do not
> want to speak english or german or french. Very bad service. Dangerous
> drivers. They almost killed us. We had to pay for using plates in the
> restaurants, They cheated on everýthing, the police took our car, even tough
> there was no reason for it. We had to pay 1450 Kc to get the car back but,
> as I wanted them to call the embassy, I didn't have to pay "the penalty".

Did you first go to a tattoo parlour and get "SUCKER" in Czech put
somewhere conspicuous?

It's not one of my favourite places and you do get treated as a cash
cow if you're a tourist, but it's not *that* bad.

> If you want a good advice: Buy a book with pictures of Prague and go
> to Budapest. This is a nice city in a nice country.

Going there again shortly - last time was in 1991, and it was one of
the scarier places I've been to.  Some very shady characters hanging
round Keleti station and we were targeted by a pickpocket gang in the
middle of the city (though they weren't quite slick enough).  And far
more no-language-in-common situations than in the Czech Republic.

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Joseph Coulter - 12 Jul 2008 00:30 GMT
>> Just coming back from Prague. Lots of problems. People who cannot or
>> do not want to speak english or german or french. Very bad service.
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YOu will be pleasantly surprised, Budapest is a very tourist friendly
city, clean with a very good feel to it. Oh I am sure that at the
Fisherman's Bastion you will find likely sorts to take your belongings,
but overall I was very happy, wnated to stay and will surely go back.

Prague on the other hand was charming, but at too high a cost
emotionally and financially. They could less if I return and the feeling
is mutual.

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Pat - 13 Jul 2008 01:06 GMT
> Did you first go to a tattoo parlour and get "SUCKER" in Czech put
> somewhere conspicuous?
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> middle of the city (though they weren't quite slick enough).  And far
> more no-language-in-common situations than in the Czech Republic.

Just wondering--the last time you were there was 17 years ago and he just
came back from there and YOU"RE the one lecturing him on Prague?  I guess
you think nothing has changed in the world during the last 17 years....
Jack Campin - bogus address - 13 Jul 2008 01:38 GMT
>>> If you want a good advice: Buy a book with pictures of Prague and go
>>> to Budapest. This is a nice city in a nice country.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> came back from there and YOU"RE the one lecturing him on Prague?  I guess
> you think nothing has changed in the world during the last 17 years....

I've been to Prague a lot more recently than Budapest.

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tim..... - 13 Jul 2008 10:04 GMT
>> Did you first go to a tattoo parlour and get "SUCKER" in Czech put
>> somewhere conspicuous?
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> came back from there and YOU"RE the one lecturing him on Prague?  I guess
> you think nothing has changed in the world during the last 17 years....

I agree with Pat.

It is the same time frame that I last went to Prague and whilst it wasn't
like the OP suggested it did have some of the traits of a rip-off tourist
town.  I can well believe that it has gained the worst of those in the last
17 years (and have heard other stories that it has).

OTOH I have been back to the other parts of CZ and they don't suffer from
the same problem.

tim
Jack Campin - bogus address - 13 Jul 2008 12:55 GMT
>>>> If you want a good advice: Buy a book with pictures of Prague and go
>>>> to Budapest. This is a nice city in a nice country.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>> you think nothing has changed in the world during the last 17 years....
> I agree with Pat.

In that you can't read either?  When did Prague acquire Keleti Station?

> It is the same time frame that I last went to Prague and whilst it wasn't
> like the OP suggested it did have some of the traits of a rip-off tourist
> town.  I can well believe that it has gained the worst of those in the last
> 17 years (and have heard other stories that it has).

It's more of the same in most respects.  The big addition over that time
is the amount of resources devoted to gambling and the sex trade.  The
trade in vulgar glassware and Kafka/Mozart kitsch is much the same as it
was in the early 90s.

> OTOH I have been back to the other parts of CZ and they don't suffer
> from the same problem.

Brno is a lot better, but it has a large new sleaze district too.

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tim..... - 13 Jul 2008 16:55 GMT
>>>>> If you want a good advice: Buy a book with pictures of Prague and go
>>>>> to Budapest. This is a nice city in a nice country.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> In that you can't read either?  When did Prague acquire Keleti Station?

You'll have to learn how to read attributions.

Pat did not write that.

>> It is the same time frame that I last went to Prague and whilst it wasn't
>> like the OP suggested it did have some of the traits of a rip-off tourist
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Brno is a lot better, but it has a large new sleaze district too.

I actually didn't find much in Brno of interest (perhaps I didn't look hard
enough).

tim
Joseph Coulter - 13 Jul 2008 18:15 GMT
>>>>>> If you want a good advice: Buy a book with pictures of Prague and
>>>>>> go to Budapest. This is a nice city in a nice country.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Pat did not write that.

nor was the statement made about Prague, it was about Budapest where
Keleti station is found.
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tim..... - 13 Jul 2008 18:23 GMT
>>>>>>> If you want a good advice: Buy a book with pictures of Prague and
>>>>>>> go to Budapest. This is a nice city in a nice country.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> nor was the statement made about Prague, it was about Budapest where
> Keleti station is found.

I know, I went there in 1982 and it's still on my "go back" list

tim
Alan S - 12 Jul 2008 07:46 GMT
>Just coming back from Prague. Lots of problems. People who cannot or do not
>want to speak english or german or french. Very bad service. Dangerous
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Budapest. This is a nice city in a nice country.
>Bruno

Sorry you had such a bad time.

Over the course of my travels I've had all of those problems
and more - somewhere. And I moaned about some of them at the
time too; sometimes I even moaned later here or on my blog.
But I never had a whole country or city that pissed me off
completely.

Well, maybe Egypt; but the Pyramids and the Nile were still
marvellous.

In Prague, on my first visit, the problem IIRC was transport
staff who still "worked" as though you should be privileged
to use their bus/tram/train. But, eventually, we found our
way around and had a marvellous time.

On the second trip we ended up in the truly awful Hotel
Jasmine out in the 'burbs; we moved the next day. But we
still loved Prague and the surrounding parts of Czech (we
stayed in Zbraslav). Not for the people - some were nice,
some were nasty, just like home, but for the ambience, the
architecture, the history, the art, the differences, for all
the reasons I travel.

And of course very few spoke English; much the same as when
we wandered through Slovenia, Hungary, Slovakia or Poland.
The most common second language in those countries is
German, not English, so we got by with some basic
dictionaries and a good English/German dictionary and lots
of charades and mistakes and confusion - and sometimes some
fun. The difference is that we didn't expect them to speak
English. It was nice when they did - but we were guests in
their country. Why should they speak my language? Or any
second language? I accepted that it was my responsibility to
find a way to communicate, not theirs.

How many hospitality industry staff in your town or city or
country speak Czech? Any?

You had to pay for plates in restaurants? Never struck that
one - but tell me, how much was the total bill? How did that
compare to back home? Bloody cheap, wasn't it? What was the
food like - ours was marvellous in Czech.

The Police had no reason to take your car? None at all?
Yeah, right. I drove both times with a bright red "I'm a
tourist" number plate, respected local laws, and when I made
mistakes struck nothing but friendliness; apart from the
Austrian tollway vignette police. Maybe lack of
communication and attitude had a little to do with it? And
you had to pay US$100 to get it back? Not much in those
circumstances, hardly a dent in the overall cost of your
trip and you're going to enjoy telling everyone you meet
about it for years to come. Well worth $100. "Hey, did I
ever tell you about those terrible corrupt cops in Prague?"
"Yes, Grand-Dad, many times..."

Did you get someone to translate the papers that came back
with it to see what it was you did?

Dangerous drivers? You obviously didn't go over the border
to Poland.

Maybe next time you should just watch travelogues on TV at
home. I've been to Budapest too, but I hope someday to get
back to Prague again. One of my favourite cities.

Cheers, Alan, Australia

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Markku Grönroos - 12 Jul 2008 08:47 GMT
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> But I never had a whole country or city that pissed me off
> completely.
>
> Well, maybe Egypt; but the Pyramids and the Nile were still
> marvellous.

Egypt can be a true nuisance where foreigners congregate. Otherwise country
is much more relaxed and friendly. The contrast is very sharp.
grusl - 12 Jul 2008 10:44 GMT
>>Just coming back from Prague. Lots of problems. People who cannot or do
>>not
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>>
> Sorry you had such a bad time.

This is quite a shocking post! I thought Prague was the epitome of a modern
Central/Eastern European destination; if anything, overtouristed. My
relatives are trying to lure me to meet them there around Christmas.

> You had to pay for plates in restaurants? Never struck that
> one - but tell me, how much was the total bill? How did that
> compare to back home? Bloody cheap, wasn't it? What was the
> food like - ours was marvellous in Czech.

Your food was marvellous, but only in Czech?

Is the plate charge like "bread and covers" in Italy? Like a basic entrance
or cover charge.

Cheers,
George W Russell
Bangalore
Alan S - 12 Jul 2008 11:06 GMT
>>>Just coming back from Prague. Lots of problems. People who cannot or do
>>>not
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>Central/Eastern European destination; if anything, overtouristed. My
>relatives are trying to lure me to meet them there around Christmas.

Listen to your relatives. Go and have a good time.

>> You had to pay for plates in restaurants? Never struck that
>> one - but tell me, how much was the total bill? How did that
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>George W Russell
>Bangalore

Sorry about the ambiguity. I was pointing out that the food
that we ate in the Czech Republic was both inexpensive and
marvellous.

The OP was the one complaining about being charged for
plates. It didn't happen to me.

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grusl - 12 Jul 2008 11:30 GMT
>>>>Just coming back from Prague. Lots of problems. People who cannot or do
>>>>not
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> The OP was the one complaining about being charged for
> plates. It didn't happen to me.

I was being facetious. However, sometimes cover charges are not always
readily apparent.

My concept of Prague was that, if anything, it was being spoiled by
tourism - especially weekend trips by alcoholically overindulgent visitors
from a certain northwestern European country. I hadn't heard of tourists
being ripped off anymore than in any European tourism destination.

Cheers,
George W Russell
Bangalore
Sarah Banick - 12 Jul 2008 16:39 GMT
> This is quite a shocking post! I thought Prague was the epitome of a
> modern Central/Eastern European destination; if anything, overtouristed.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> George W Russell
> Bangalore

I think "overtouristed" is part of the problem. You've got glass shop next
to money changers next to glass shop next to money changers....you get the
idea.

I've been there several times and never had trouble communicating (a little
German helps sometimes). But I did learn to be very attentive to the bill at
meals and carefully count my change from any exchange. Like many places, the
people are nice one-to-one, but there's that universal desire to skim a
little off of rich foreign tourists (you're there right? You must be rich).

There's been a lot of news of pickpocketing, etc. I know you've dealt with
all this before, George, and know how to prepare  :-)
Frank Hucklenbroich - 16 Jul 2008 10:04 GMT
Am Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:46:13 +1000 schrieb Alan S:

> You had to pay for plates in restaurants? Never struck that
> one - but tell me, how much was the total bill?

This is common in many countries, like Italy. You pay a certain amount for
the plate, I think it's called "coperto"(sp?) and is something like 2 or 3
EUR per person.

Regards,

Frank
Alan S - 17 Jul 2008 04:40 GMT
>Am Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:46:13 +1000 schrieb Alan S:
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Frank

Aha! The penny drops. It's the "cover charge". Common in
many countries and should be accepted as just part of the
bill. If in doubt and it worries you, ask. I learned to
accept it in the same way as I learned to accept the USA
15-18% tipping system.

When in Rome...

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Jesper Lauridsen - 30 Jul 2008 16:48 GMT
> And of course very few spoke English; much the same as when
> we wandered through Slovenia, Hungary, Slovakia or Poland.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> second language? I accepted that it was my responsibility to
> find a way to communicate, not theirs.

I don't consider it unreasonable to expect those working in the tourist
industry to make an effort to be able to communicate with their clients.

> How many hospitality industry staff in your town or city or
> country speak Czech? Any?

The OP wasn't expecting service in his own language. He was expecting
some service in a very widespread second language. For that language,
the answer to your question is "pretty much all".
Igor Subotic [mikic] - 12 Jul 2008 09:00 GMT
> Just coming back from Prague. Lots of problems. People who cannot or do
> not want to speak english or german or french. Very bad service. Dangerous
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> and go to Budapest. This is a nice city in a nice country.
> Bruno

where did you go in prague? i was there 3x... and did not have any
problems... ok, maybe some language difficulties.. in general, very nice
place IMO maybe better then budapest?

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HBD - 12 Jul 2008 14:42 GMT
Believe me, I've been all around the world. I'm not the kind of "turist"
expecting all the time perfection for little money. I tried Russia, Hungary,
Eastern Germany before and after the wall, Slovakia, Austria, Italy, Spain,
Portugal, France, Belgium, The Netherlands, The Scandinavian Countries,
Asia, Africa, Australia backpacking and more and even Ireland but I never
experienced that before. I never felt like having to tell those bad
experiences before......As I said, I'll never visit the Czech Republic
again.

>> Just coming back from Prague. Lots of problems. People who cannot or do
>> not want to speak english or german or french. Very bad service.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> problems... ok, maybe some language difficulties.. in general, very nice
> place IMO maybe better then budapest?
Paul Dwerryhouse - 12 Jul 2008 23:38 GMT
> As I said, I'll never visit the Czech Republic again.

So, you're going to blackban an entire country because of your experiences in
just one of its cities?

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HBD - 13 Jul 2008 07:02 GMT
I drove through the whole contry and they almost killed us on their f*****
motorways.
Why should I spend more time and more money in a country that doesn't want
me?

>> As I said, I'll never visit the Czech Republic again.
>
> So, you're going to blackban an entire country because of your experiences
> in
> just one of its cities?
Alan S - 13 Jul 2008 07:18 GMT
>I drove through the whole contry and they almost killed us on their f*****
>motorways.
>Why should I spend more time and more money in a country that doesn't want
>me?

No problem.

I'm sure they would entirely agree with you.

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John - 17 Jul 2008 17:45 GMT
> I drove through the whole contry and they almost killed us on their
> f***** motorways.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>> experiences in
>> just one of its cities?

Well HBD, it's a shame you feel that way but at least if you stay away, then
that's one less tourist for me to deal with when I go there  :o)

Each year for the last 16 years, my wife and I have left our home in the UK
to drive to the Czech Republic/Slovakia/Poland for our holidays and we
absolutely love the country. We've only been to Prague twice though,
preferring to explore the whole country - and believe me, it's well worth
it.

We've found the Czechs to be warm and welcoming people. In 16 years of
driving in their country I've only fallen foul of the police once (driving
wrong way up a one-way street) and never even had so much as a near-miss on
any motorway or other road.

The old phrase "cutting your nose off to spite your face" springs to mind
here but, as I said, at least there'll be one less if you do indeed stay
away.

John
Ex_OWM - 15 Jul 2008 20:40 GMT
> Believe me, I've been all around the world. I'm not the kind of
> "turist" expecting all the time perfection for little money. I tried
> Russia, Hungary, Eastern Germany before and after the wall, Slovakia,
> Austria, Italy, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium, The Netherlands,
> The Scandinavian Countries, Asia, Africa, Australia backpacking and
> more and even Ireland

Oy! What do you mean "even Ireland?
Derek McBryde - 12 Jul 2008 14:55 GMT
>Just coming back from Prague. Lots of problems. People who cannot or do not
>want to speak english or german or french. Very bad service. Dangerous
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Budapest. This is a nice city in a nice country.
>Bruno

Hmmmm   not my experience.    I have been to Prague twice, once during
the summer and once in December.    Both times I had a lovely visit.

I went mid week (to avoid the weekend stag-dos) and mostly avoided the
obvious restaurants around Wenceslas Square.  I don't imagine I would
like Prague at the weekends during the summer.

Prague is still emerging from its communist past so to some extent the
waiters and waitresses have still to learn how to deal with paying
customers.   I didn't find them unfriendly,  but some could be aloof.
I didn't take it personally.  Not all spoke good english but many did.

The staff in the hotels were great, very helpful and friendly indeed.
The hotels also were sparkingly clean.

Prague is very compact so it is very easy to get around and see all
the sights, of which there are many.  This makes it ideal for short
visits.  

I preferred Prague to Budapest.   I found Budapest very much more
impenetrable and it took me several days to get the feel of the city.
It also took me a long time to work out where best to eat.  It was
only at the end of my week's vacation that I was beginning to sort out
some nice restaurants.  

Although I visited several Tourist information offices (and made
special trips to some) I couldn't get a map anywhere showing tram and
bus routes.  I also tried at the ticket offices of the underground but
I found english there was very limited.    This was a problem because
Budapest is very large and it takes a long time to walk to all the
places of interest.     Having said that,  the underground is very
easy to use and understand.

I was appalled at the graffiti in Budapest.  The city is totally
defaced and every pillar and post and wall is covered.  The windows of
the underground trains were all scored and scratched  (ie not just
paint that could be washed off).

Shopping is very good in Budapest and relatively inexpensive.  There
are several large malls.    

There is plenty to do and see in Budapest (when you work out how to do
and see it).    Personally I found it very hard work,  so the much
needed rest didn't happen.    Prague is much easier to manage and, in
my opinion,  much friendlier and much better.

Derek.
 
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