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Travel Forum / Destinations / Europe / September 2008are you putting off travel to europe?
Hi, with the euro/dollar exchange rate being what it is... and fuel surcharges just adding to the misery... are you putting off travel to europe? or going anyway but minding the budget more (i.e. ** hotels instead of ****, public transport vs a rented car)  SignatureHackamore http://www.hackamore.com http://hackamoretravel.blogspot.com > Hi, > > with the euro/dollar exchange rate being what it is... and fuel surcharges > just adding to the misery... are you putting off travel to europe? or > going anyway but minding the budget more (i.e. ** hotels instead of ****, > public transport vs a rented car) No, the euro/dollar exchange rate has no effect on me. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore On 8/26/2008 8:19 PM Anonymouse ignored two million years of human evolution to write: > are you putting off travel to > europe? Not just no, but hell no. > or going anyway but minding the budget more (i.e. ** hotels > instead of ****, public transport vs a rented car) I've always paid attention to getting value for money, and the next time will be no different. It's not difficult to get good rates on lodging, even in expensive cities like London. I'll be spending three weeks in Europe soon, and have no qualms about where I'm staying or how I'm getting around, and that includes a mix of public transport and rented cars. and what about it > Hi, > > with the euro/dollar exchange rate being what it is... and fuel surcharges > just adding to the misery... are you putting off travel to europe? or > going anyway but minding the budget more (i.e. ** hotels instead of ****, > public transport vs a rented car) <news:KeqdnS9DMI5dWinVnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@comcast.com> : > with the euro/dollar exchange rate being what it is... and fuel > surcharges just adding to the misery... are you putting off travel to > europe? I go there every day. SignatureTim C. google.groups killfiled to reduce spam email address munged. ><news:KeqdnS9DMI5dWinVnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@comcast.com> : > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >I go there every day. Where do you go to at night? SignatureMartin <news:7f5ab4lsd8nrqprfn3jq0r1t1nfahr0d2j@4ax.com> : >><news:KeqdnS9DMI5dWinVnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@comcast.com> : >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Where do you go to at night? That would be telling ;-) SignatureTim C. google.groups killfiled to reduce spam email address munged. ><news:7f5ab4lsd8nrqprfn3jq0r1t1nfahr0d2j@4ax.com> : > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >That would be telling ;-) Your favourite spag bol diner? SignatureMartin <news:71cab4td2hom350lc5tl10ndbelk2ne0k8@4ax.com> : >><news:7f5ab4lsd8nrqprfn3jq0r1t1nfahr0d2j@4ax.com> : >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Your favourite spag bol diner? Eaten on a bus, of course. SignatureTim C. google.groups killfiled to reduce spam email address munged. ><news:71cab4td2hom350lc5tl10ndbelk2ne0k8@4ax.com> : > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Eaten on a bus, of course. in the bathroom? SignatureMartin <news:ivdab41320478ns165tbrvhu64rok5ogpb@4ax.com> : >><news:71cab4td2hom350lc5tl10ndbelk2ne0k8@4ax.com> : >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > in the bathroom? cleanliness is next to BillandCathyness. SignatureTim C. google.groups killfiled to reduce spam email address munged. ><news:ivdab41320478ns165tbrvhu64rok5ogpb@4ax.com> : > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >cleanliness is next to BillandCathyness. a bit like filthiness then. SignatureMartin ><news:KeqdnS9DMI5dWinVnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@comcast.com> : > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >I go there every day. And me. Pottered about this morning, then took buses via Steinstücken to Potsdam and from there the nice and scenic bus route 697 via Sacrow to Kladow by the lakeside, from Kladow to Heerstrasse on the X34, then S-Bahn home. Research trip, that was - next time I'll spend time in Sacrow and take a wander to the Heilandskirche which, after restoration (the church having been in the DDR border zone and out-of-bounds) now enjoys World Heritage Site status. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Redeemer,_Sacrow http://www.heilandskirche-sacrow.de/ Please note that no private cars of any kind were used today, either on the journey itself or the posting of this message. Keith (formerly of Bristol UK) now moved to Berlin/nach Berlin umgezogen >Hi, > >with the euro/dollar exchange rate being what it is... and fuel >surcharges just adding to the misery... are you putting off travel to >europe? or going anyway but minding the budget more (i.e. ** hotels >instead of ****, public transport vs a rented car) NO! SignatureMartin >>Hi, >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > NO! I will be at Schiphol tomorrow morning for all of 90 minutes, en-route to a Country (Switzerland) which doesn't use the Euro and where the train system is infinitely preferable to using a car. SignatureJohnT >>>Hi, >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Country (Switzerland) which doesn't use the Euro and where the train system >is infinitely preferable to using a car. You can't have everything. SignatureMartin >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> with the euro/dollar exchange rate being what it is... and fuel >>>> surcharges just adding to the misery... are you putting off travel to >>>> europe? or going anyway but minding the budget more (i.e. ** hotels >>>> instead of ****, public transport vs a rented car) If you stay in Paris you're better off with no car. If you go out side Paris to somewhere interesting like Normandy, a car gives you freedom of movement and is cheaper than public transport if there are at least two in your party. SignatureAudio Tour Guide d day Normandy. Self Guiding. http://normandy-tour-guide.cpmac.com.audio-guide.php3 Driver guide Normandy > >>>> Hi, > >>>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > movement and is cheaper than public transport if there are at least two > in your party. That, as always, will depend on where you're going, how far etc. Public transport can be very cheap. Signature(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate www.davidhorne.net (email address on website) "The fact is that when I compose I never think of and never have thought of meeting the listener." -George Perle >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > That, as always, will depend on where you're going, how far etc. Public > transport can be very cheap. Try going from Giverny to Rouen, Honfleur, Lisieux, Falaise, Pegasus bridge, Bayeux, Ste Mère eglise,and Mont St Michel without a car. SignatureAudio Tour Guide d day Normandy. Self Guiding. http://normandy-tour-guide.cpmac.com.audio-guide.php3 Driver guide Normandy > >>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Try going from Giverny to Rouen, Honfleur, Lisieux, Falaise, Pegasus > bridge, Bayeux, Ste Mère eglise,and Mont St Michel without a car. Why- was it nice? I wasn't commenting on whatever route you've taken- I was making a general point about the cost of public transportation. Signature(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate www.davidhorne.net (email address on website) "The fact is that when I compose I never think of and never have thought of meeting the listener." -George Perle > > >>>>>> Hi, > > >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Why- was it nice? I wasn't commenting on whatever route you've taken- I > was making a general point about the cost of public transportation. Public transportation makes plenty of sense if you travel solo, as I often do. SignatureMary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar) You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument is that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.chibardun.net/~erilarlo > > > >>>>>> Hi, > > > >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Public transportation makes plenty of sense if you travel solo, as I > often do. It also makes plenty of sense if you don't want to drive either! :) Signature(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate www.davidhorne.net (email address on website) "The fact is that when I compose I never think of and never have thought of meeting the listener." -George Perle > Public transportation makes plenty of sense if you travel solo, as I > often do. Maybe. My last trip to Europe (Belgium, last February) involved going out to places where public transport really wasn't an option, places out in the countryside and all that. So I had a nice little rental car that burned diesel quite efficiently. Bonus was being able to give a couple of people a ride - they'd missed the call window for the "Belbus" (bus that is ordered in advance with a telephone call), meaning that their opportunity to get to the local train station 5km away had passed, and that meant no train for at least another hour, and ... so I gave them a ride to a train station that was not only closer to their destination, but had much more frequent service. yaeedyaeegiisss: >> Public transportation makes plenty of sense if you travel solo, as I often >> do. > > Maybe. My last trip to Europe (Belgium, last February) involved [...] > ... so I gave them a ride to a train station that was not only closer > to their destination, but had much more frequent service. Ah! You took them to the other Belgian train station. SignatureErick >yaeedyaeegiisss: >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Ah! You took them to the other Belgian train station. Breda South? SignatureMartin >>>>> Hi, >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >movement and is cheaper than public transport if there are at least two >in your party. I didn't write any of the above. SignatureMartin > Hi, > > with the euro/dollar exchange rate being what it is... and fuel > surcharges just adding to the misery... are you putting off travel to > europe? or going anyway but minding the budget more (i.e. ** hotels > instead of ****, public transport vs a rented car) It has influenced where we consider going. I tend to avoid the British Isles right now because the pound is so high against my dollars. And we are probably going to Ireland this year for the first week, and then continuing our vacation back in the US instead of staying in europe as we normally would do for the second week. However, it is also true that the cost of trips is dominated by about 3 costs. 1) air fare 2) Hotel costs 3) daily food costs. The first is relatively out of our control. The second two, as you imply, are within ones control to some extent. So the cost of the euro/GBP is an influence but not a decisive factor in and of itself. We did go to europe for 2 weeks this year. We just chose to do it "differently" because of the potential costs. > However, it is also true that the cost of trips is dominated > by about 3 costs. 1) air fare 2) Hotel costs 3) daily food [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 2 weeks this year. We just chose to do it "differently" > because of the potential costs. What you pay for a Hotel is a matter of choice. 40€ for a chain like Etaphotel or a small hotel in a town or a B&B. 190€ for a Chateau room. 350€ for the Royal at Deauville. Eating out from 6€ for a MacDo, 15€ in a reasonable restaurant to 50€, 75€, 100€ or more. The choice is yours. SignatureAudio Tour Guide d day Normandy. Self Guiding. http://normandy-tour-guide.cpmac.com.audio-guide.php3 Driver guide Normandy > Hi, > > with the euro/dollar exchange rate being what it is... and fuel > surcharges just adding to the misery... are you putting off travel to > europe? or going anyway but minding the budget more (i.e. ** hotels > instead of ****, public transport vs a rented car) We have planned a "once in a lifetime" trip for this Fall. DH was in Europe as a lad, backpacking with a "knapsack" In case some of you are not that old, a knapsack is a backpack. That was almost 50 years ago. I have never been to Europe and have always wanted to go. Since we both have health issues and advancing age, we decided to go now and do as much as we can as we probably will never be able to travel back. When it's one's "bucket list" price isn't an issue. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life >> Hi, >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >have health issues and advancing age, we decided to go now and do as >much as we can as we probably will never be able to travel back. And may all good fortune, nice people and wonderful experiences accompany you. Keith (formerly of Bristol UK) now moved to Berlin/nach Berlin umgezogen >> We have planned a "once in a lifetime" trip for this Fall. DH was in >> Europe as a lad, backpacking with a "knapsack" In case some of you are [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > And may all good fortune, nice people and wonderful experiences > accompany you. Thank you very much. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life > We have planned a "once in a lifetime" trip for this Fall. DH was in > Europe as a lad, backpacking with a "knapsack" In case some of you are [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > When it's one's "bucket list" price isn't an issue. Oh, I really hope you'll enjoy it as much as I do 8-) I was going to take a cross-Canadian train trip this year, but Elderhostel sent me some information on a canal trip in the Netherlands. . . SignatureMary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar) You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument is that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.chibardun.net/~erilarlo >> We have planned a "once in a lifetime" trip for this Fall. DH was in >> Europe as a lad, backpacking with a "knapsack" In case some of you are [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > take a cross-Canadian train trip this year, but Elderhostel sent me > some information on a canal trip in the Netherlands. . . Part of our trip will be a 16 day river barge cruise from Budapest to Amsterdam. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life >> Oh, I really hope you'll enjoy it as much as I do 8-) I was going to >> take a cross-Canadian train trip this year, but Elderhostel sent me >> some information on a canal trip in the Netherlands. . . > >Part of our trip will be a 16 day river barge cruise from Budapest to >Amsterdam. Can I come too? I'm very cheap and I don't eat much... Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/alan_s/ http://loraltravel.blogspot.com Latest: Two Indian Hotels: to Sleep, Perchance... >>> Oh, I really hope you'll enjoy it as much as I do 8-) I was going to >>> take a cross-Canadian train trip this year, but Elderhostel sent me [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Can I come too? I'm very cheap and I don't eat much... You might be wondering why they are travelling on a barge? SignatureMartin >>>> Oh, I really hope you'll enjoy it as much as I do 8-) I was going to >>>> take a cross-Canadian train trip this year, but Elderhostel sent me [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You might be wondering why they are travelling on a barge? The barge is like a small cruise ship. Here is the trip http://www.uniworld.com/cruise.asp?ID=130 Here is a picture of one of their barges http://www.uniworld.com/cruiseships.asp All meals, including local wines, are included. There is an on-board host who conducts the tours in the cities the boat docks in. You can go with the tour guide or on your own. We can travel from place to place without having to pack and unpack as our "hotel" room comes along with us. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life >>>>> Oh, I really hope you'll enjoy it as much as I do 8-) I was going to >>>>> take a cross-Canadian train trip this year, but Elderhostel sent me [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > with the tour guide or on your own. We can travel from place to place > without having to pack and unpack as our "hotel" room comes along with us. Uniworld is a good outfit, have gone on two of their tours. Siberia, Central Asia and Russia, and small ship cruise to the Canary Islands. >>>>>> Oh, I really hope you'll enjoy it as much as I do 8-) I was going to >>>>>> take a cross-Canadian train trip this year, but Elderhostel sent me [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Siberia, Central Asia and Russia, and small ship cruise to the Canary > Islands. Thank you for posting that. It's our first trip with them and I've only heard good things. Our TA did the trip and she recommended Uniworld over the others. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life >>>>>>> Oh, I really hope you'll enjoy it as much as I do 8-) I was going to >>>>>>> take a cross-Canadian train trip this year, but Elderhostel sent me [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >>> >>> http://www.uniworld.com/cruiseships.asp It's a cruise ship not a barge - luckily :o) http://student.britannica.com/eb/art-1796/Barge-on-the-Rhine-River-with-vineyard s-in-the-background http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2008-w14/img.180869.html SignatureMartin >>> Oh, I really hope you'll enjoy it as much as I do 8-) I was going to >>> take a cross-Canadian train trip this year, but Elderhostel sent me [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Cheers, Alan, Australia Sorry. We can only have one piece of luggage each so I won't know where to hide you. <g> SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life > >> We have planned a "once in a lifetime" trip for this Fall. DH was in > >> Europe as a lad, backpacking with a "knapsack" In case some of you are [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Part of our trip will be a 16 day river barge cruise from Budapest to > Amsterdam. Oh, that ought to be great fun! My problem with the longer ones is that they cover too much territory I already know well and can revisit without a tour guide. I could BE a tour guide for the Rhein in Germany 8-) SignatureMary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar) You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument is that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.chibardun.net/~erilarlo > > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Bad spelling. Bad punctuation > Good Friends. Good Life Please do not put off going to Europe, first of all, I love Europe and every dollar I spend there is so worth it. I am a traveller and a European Travel Agent... and I will tell you the fuel charges will not lessen anytime soon, and the Euro is the best is has been over the last few months... It is expensive, the planning, the booking, the arrangements.... but it IS WORTH IT ... If you need help planning please call us, we are the European Villa Specilist, plus we all LOVE Europe... Doorways Villa Vacations 610-520-0806. www.villavacations.com On Sep 15, 10:49 pm, mon...@doorwaysltd.com wrote: [snip] > Please do not put off going to Europe, first of all, I love Europe and > every dollar I spend there is so worth it. I am a traveller and a > European Travel Agent... and I will tell you the fuel charges will > not lessen anytime soon, and the Euro is the best is has been over the > last few months... It is expensive, the planning, the booking, the > arrangements.... but it IS WORTH IT ... [snip] If ya don't have the cash.... well, you don't have the cash. |
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