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Travel Forum / Destinations / Europe / July 2009When I was in Italy - I froze
So I get t0 Italy, and I'm in the Appinin mountains visiting my family. It was December so there was snow. Had an awesome dinner with my family who I haven't seen in 15 years. I get to bed at 11pm and I wake up in the middle of the night - freezing my a.s off. The digital thermostat red three dashes instead of a normal temperature setting and reading. Apparently it is a law - the heat shuts off in new construction at a certain time even if you own the condo. Can somebody explain that to me? Is that he cure to global warming? Italians no longer have the freedom to turn on their heat? >So I get t0 Italy, and I'm in the Appinin mountains visiting my family. > It was December so there was snow. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Can somebody explain that to me? Is that he cure to global warming? >Italians no longer have the freedom to turn on their heat? So what did your relatives say when you asked them the question?  SignatureMartin >> So I get t0 Italy, and I'm in the Appinin mountains visiting my family. >> It was December so there was snow. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > So what did your relatives say when you asked them the question? I didn't ask them. >>> So I get t0 Italy, and I'm in the Appinin mountains visiting my family. >>> It was December so there was snow. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >I didn't ask them. So why ask us? SignatureMartin >>>> So I get t0 Italy, and I'm in the Appinin mountains visiting my family. >>>> It was December so there was snow. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > So why ask us? Curiosity? > Apparently it is a law - the heat shuts off in new construction at a > certain time even if you own the condo. Italy is divided in "climatic zones", and the law regulates the maximum number of hours heating can stay on, and the period of the year heating can be used. In case of exceptional cold outside such period, the mayor can give permission to keep the heating on. For instance this site (in italian) gives some general information http://www.eurometeo.com/italian/read/doc_zone-climatiche There are 6 zones, most of the north (like Milan) is in zone E. Mountain places are in zone F (virtually unlimited heating). Zone A includes just some places in the southernmost part of Sicily and some islands. It is true that supposedly "warm" places (for instance the Ligurian Riviera is zone C) can be sometimes colder inside than a nominally colder area (say zone E) because the heating stays one for a short time even if it is cold outside. This other one allows to find the zone of a particular town http://www.isolparma.it/zone/zonaclimatica.asp Signature---------------------------------------------------------------------- nospam@mi.iasf.cnr.it is a newsreading account used by more persons to avoid unwanted spam. Any mail returning to this address will be rejected. Users can disclose their e-mail address in the article if they wish so. In article <alpine.LSU.2.00.0907031048550.21506@cbfrvqba.ynzoengr.vans.vg>, > > Apparently it is a law - the heat shuts off in new construction at a > > certain time even if you own the condo. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > This other one allows to find the zone of a particular town > http://www.isolparma.it/zone/zonaclimatica.asp What's the rationale for those laws, to save fuel? > What's the rationale for those laws, to save fuel? I think so, they date back to 1993 at least. Signature---------------------------------------------------------------------- nospam@mi.iasf.cnr.it is a newsreading account used by more persons to avoid unwanted spam. Any mail returning to this address will be rejected. Users can disclose their e-mail address in the article if they wish so. > In article > <alpine.LSU.2.00.0907031048550.21506@cbfrvqba.ynzoengr.vans.vg>, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > What's the rationale for those laws, to save fuel? Is it still WWII in Italy and so rationing is in force...??? SignatureBest Greg >> Apparently it is a law - the heat shuts off in new construction at a >> certain time even if you own the condo. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > This other one allows to find the zone of a particular town > http://www.isolparma.it/zone/zonaclimatica.asp I now understand. Even if I have to wear a parka at night during the winter I wouldn't mind living there! The Summers would be worth it. J Justin ha scritto: > Even if I have to wear a parka at night during the winter I wouldn't > mind living there! The Summers would be worth it. If you own your heating system, you can forget this law: nobody will enter your home to see if you have heating on or off... If you live in a condo with a central heating system, the condo boss must obey the law to avoid problems... I prefer at night to have a lower temperature to better breath, and a thick cover on my bed, but if I want I can heat my home (I have an heating system on my own...). Ciao, Piero. Normally, when scientists freeze cells, they replace the water in the with chemicals that do not form crystals, putting the water back whe the cells are thawed. That method allowed investigators to successfull freeze human embryos. But most cells, including embryos, have membrane that allow cryoprotectants, the protective chemicals, to enter an leave. The membranes of unfertilized eggs are nearly impermeable -- Halbert >Normally, when scientists freeze cells, they replace the water in them >with chemicals that do not form crystals, putting the water back when >the cells are thawed. That method allowed investigators to successfully >freeze human embryos. But most cells, including embryos, have membranes >that allow cryoprotectants, the protective chemicals, to enter and >leave. The membranes of unfertilized eggs are nearly impermeable. I don't think anyone is talking about liquid nitrogen in this discussion. >> Normally, when scientists freeze cells, they replace the water in them >> with chemicals that do not form crystals, putting the water back when [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I don't think anyone is talking about liquid nitrogen in this > discussion. there's probably an Eu tax on that. >there's probably an Eu tax on that. Fortunately I'm not governed by the EU. At least not yet. >> there's probably an Eu tax on that. > > Fortunately I'm not governed by the EU. At least not yet. there's probably an EU tax on not being governed by the EU. >there's probably an EU tax on not being governed by the EU. Or will be within a few months. Where have I seen that name before ... oh yes: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.travel.europe/msg/54499903b05ec995 > I get to bed at 11pm and I wake up in the middle of the night - freezing > my a.s off. I froze my a.s off in Arizona in March last year. The lodge we were staying at was built without any kind of insulation, the heating was supplied by some stupid ceiling based forced-air system, that we had to turn off to be able to sleep, and they only supplied some thin sheets for coverage. > Where have I seen that name before ... oh yes: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > some stupid ceiling based forced-air system, that we had to turn off to be > able to sleep, and they only supplied some thin sheets for coverage. fuckin' cowboys ! > Where have I seen that name before ... oh yes: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > some stupid ceiling based forced-air system, that we had to turn off to be > able to sleep, and they only supplied some thin sheets for coverage. You should visit Arizona in summer, then! (Phoenix temps have been well over 100F for a couple of weeks now, with no end in sight until autumn, and the "monsoon" insures much higher humidity than expected in a desert environment.) >> I froze my a.s off in Arizona in March last year. The lodge we were staying >> at was built without any kind of insulation, the heating was supplied by >> some stupid ceiling based forced-air system, that we had to turn off to be >> able to sleep, and they only supplied some thin sheets for coverage. > > You should visit Arizona in summer, then! Not in a million years. > So I get t0 Italy, and I'm in the Appinin mountains visiting my > family. It was December so there was snow. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Can somebody explain that to me? Is that he cure to global warming? > Italians no longer have the freedom to turn on their heat? If you think Italian heating is terrible try Italian air conditioning... :-) SignatureBest Greg Gregory Morrow ha scritto: > If you think Italian heating is terrible try Italian air conditioning... As U.S. air conditioning you mean those old boxes under windows, roaring like farm engines, with as only setup possible the switch 'HI-LO-OFF', needing a nuclear power plant in the rear of your home to keep them switched on? If so, Italian air conditioning, is really different... P.S. I have'nt yet understood why in US, inside buildings, you need to wear sweaters in the summer and t-shirts in winter... Ciao, Piero. >As U.S. air conditioning you mean those old boxes under windows, roaring >like farm engines, with as only setup possible the switch 'HI-LO-OFF', [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Ciao, Piero. We were in Italy two years ago and there were many establishments that we were sweating in even though they were supposedly air conditioned. Brian ha scritto: > We were in Italy two years ago and there were many establishments that > we were sweating in even though they were supposedly air conditioned. I come in US 4 times, and every time in summer, so I don't know how works in winter, but in every mall, in every airport, and in every estabilishment I froze. Is not uncommon also in other countries: UAE do the same.... I'm sure we have some estabilishment that do the same, but normally in summer we try to keep 25-26 degrees not 18-19 (Celsius). I admit that is easier with our air conditioning systems... Here air conditioning is new: 20 years ago almost no car and very few homes had air conditioning, so now all devices are very new. In US the majority of AC devices I've seen are very old and power hungry 'box_under_window' type. Amost never I've seen the 'Dry' option nor the temp (in degrees) setting. The trick, at least in my home, is to try to keep 25/26 degrees with low humidity. If my AC device would be without the 'Dry' option, to keep the same humidity level, I would have less than 20 degrees inside... Where I live, in summer, the bigger problem is humidity, not temp. Ciao, Piero. > On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:55:24 +0200, Piero > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > We were in Italy two years ago and there were many establishments that > we were sweating in even though they were supposedly air conditioned. Did you take your sweater off? B; >Did you take your sweater off? > >B; What sweater? Always in short sleeves and often in shorts unless we were going to a nicer restaurant. Brian ha scritto: >> Did you take your sweater off? >> >> B; > > What sweater? Always in short sleeves and often in shorts unless we > were going to a nicer restaurant. Maybe my dictionary fooled me... I means the translation of Italian word 'maglione': something casual to stay warmer (normally in winter, but also on too cooled places). My dictionary translates 'maglione' as 'sweater'. Ciao, Piero. >Maybe my dictionary fooled me... >I means the translation of Italian word 'maglione': something casual to >stay warmer (normally in winter, but also on too cooled places). >My dictionary translates 'maglione' as 'sweater'. > >Ciao, Piero. My daughter will sometimes wear a sweater here in the U.S. in air conditioning because she is cold natured. > Brian ha scritto: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Ciao, Piero. Piero, I think you encountered older AC units that are quite inefficient. Like you said, A/C has only been in italy for the past 20 or so years; probably because Italy didn't have the electrical infrastructure to support it. Now they do and only newer efficient units are available and being installed. In older buildings I have seen air conditioning units older than 30 years. But there are newer window air conditioning units that are quite efficient. What I would like to see if a government program that allows sales tax to be reimbursed if you replace these aging units. My relatives bought me a maglione as a parting gift. >What I would like to see if a government program that allows sales tax >to be reimbursed if you replace these aging units. There are some incentives this year but I don't know how extensive they are. |
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