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Travel Forum / Destinations / Europe / July 2009Don't be confused.
Dutch win right to keep Bavaria beer name Friday 03 July 2009 Dutch brewing group Bavaria has won the right to keep its brand name in an legal battle with German brewers, news agency Bloomberg reports The European Court of Justice in Luxembourg on Thursday said brewers from the German area of Bavaria could not use EU rules protecting regional food names to challenge the Dutch brewers use of the Bavaria brand name, which dates back to 1925. 'We are not free-riding on the German brewers reputation and we have never in any way pretended to be German,' Gerard van der Wal, a lawyer for the Dutch beer maker told Bloomberg. 'We always said that we are a typical Dutch brewer.'  SignatureMartin <news:hbir45drnirpm2hj9aucdh4cvf3sk57ivm@4ax.com> : > Dutch win right to keep Bavaria beer name > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > any way pretended to be German,' Gerard van der Wal, a lawyer for the Dutch beer > maker told Bloomberg. 'We always said that we are a typical Dutch brewer.' I'm confused. SignatureTim C. ><news:hbir45drnirpm2hj9aucdh4cvf3sk57ivm@4ax.com> : > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >I'm confused. One sip of Bavaria and you will wonder if it is water, no way will you mistake it for German beer. SignatureMartin You must never had a Bavaria sitting outside in Amsterdam. It is fine beer. Mike Hagley >><news:hbir45drnirpm2hj9aucdh4cvf3sk57ivm@4ax.com> : >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > mistake > it for German beer. > You must never had a Bavaria sitting outside in Amsterdam. It is fine > beer. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> mistake >> it for German beer. Mr. Hagley's expertise in discerning the merits of beer is exceeded only by his facility in posting according to the accepted norms of Usenet. SignatureJohnT > You must never had a Bavaria sitting outside in Amsterdam. It is fine > beer. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> mistake >> it for German beer. Many beers around Europe have Teutonic-sounding names, as the influence of German brewers is wide - extending even to the far east. And as the beer seems to date from 1925, it's a bit late to be chasing after horses that have bolted. M http://www.cannes-or-bust.com/ > Many beers around Europe have Teutonic-sounding names, as the influence > of German brewers is wide - extending even to the far east. And as the > beer seems to date from 1925, it's a bit late to be chasing after horses > that have bolted. Is there a statute of limitations for deceptive advertising ? B; Michael wrote on Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:02:00 +0200: >> You must never had a Bavaria sitting outside in Amsterdam. It is fine >> beer. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > far east. And as the beer seems to date from 1925, it's a bit late to > be chasing after horses that have bolted. Hell, a lot of Mexican beer companies were founded by German immigrants and there is even a Bavaria beer company there. Their beers are not bad even if I prefer those made by the Modelo company, especially Negra Modelo. SignatureJames Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not >Many beers around Europe have Teutonic-sounding names, as the influence >of German brewers is wide - extending even to the far east. And as the >beer seems to date from 1925, it's a bit late to be chasing after horses >that have bolted. One would think so. California wineries have been calling their sparkling wines "champagne" for quite a long time. Please tell the appelation controlee types in France that it's a bit late to be chasing after horses that have bolted. Signature************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * >> Many beers around Europe have Teutonic-sounding names, as the influence >> of German brewers is wide - extending even to the far east. And as the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > controlee types in France that it's a bit late to be chasing > after horses that have bolted. Right, except that Bavaria is not an appellation controlée. Nor is their a style of beer called "Bavaria". M http://www.cannes-or-bust.com/ >>> Many beers around Europe have Teutonic-sounding names, as the influence >>> of German brewers is wide - extending even to the far east. And as the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Right, except that Bavaria is not an appellation controlée. Nor is their > a style of beer called "Bavaria". Which is why there aren't Bavarian beer officials walking into bars and saloons all over the place and breakign bottle of "Bavarian" beer. But California champagne is still a case of "chasing after horses that have bolted". And in the California case, they are still chasing the horses. And catching them to some extent; A lot of California sparkling wines are now labelled as "sparkling chardonnay" or whatever. Signature************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * >> Many beers around Europe have Teutonic-sounding names, as the influence >> of German brewers is wide - extending even to the far east. And as the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > controlee types in France that it's a bit late to be chasing > after horses that have bolted. Hi, I'd have to go look it up but it goes back to some old treaty. in the US one can call any sparkling wine champagne or CHAMPAGNE but not the proper name Champagne unless it truly is Champagne. the funny thing is the truly premium US sparklers don't call their products "champagne"... they'll note it's a Methode Champenoise wine and note it's type in french... but they won't use the loophole. try a Shrambsburg sometimes... I like the cremant. SignatureHackamore http://www.hackamore.com http://www.hackamoretravel.com >>> Many beers around Europe have Teutonic-sounding names, as the >>> influence of German brewers is wide - extending even to the far east. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > try a Shrambsburg sometimes... I like the cremant. Sounds fairer for the punter. The irony of course is that there are great méthodes that are preferable to some of the bona-fide champagnes. There are also great crémants and Italy has a tasty range of proseccos. Rather than aping another style, I think it is worth re-defining one you can control. If I was a US winemaker, I'd try and make the US wines a distinct style of their own, for example. More modern, playful, palatable, exclusive or whatever angle they would choose to take. Look what Perrier did with fizzy water, for example, or San Pellegrino. M http://www.cannes-or-bust.com/ >>>> Many beers around Europe have Teutonic-sounding names, as the >>>> influence of German brewers is wide - extending even to the far [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > M > http://www.cannes-or-bust.com/ Hi, I must say I really like the Shrambsburg stuff. They do a full range of wines I just happen to like the cremant :-} I'm giving my brother some for his birthday in a couple of weeks... none of the shops where he lives now can get it. it's not a bargain label... but it's a -very- good wine that sells out every year despite the premium price. SignatureHackamore http://www.hackamore.com http://www.hackamoretravel.com > ><news:hbir45drnirpm2hj9aucdh4cvf3sk57ivm@4ax.com> : > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > One sip of Bavaria and you will wonder if it is water, no way will you mistake > it for German beer. Slightly unfair - it doesn't taste like sewage, so you wouldn't mistake it for Dutch water. B; > One sip of Bavaria and you will wonder if it is water, no way will you mistake > it for German beer. Hi, I think I've only had it once from some street stand on Queen's Day or something but DO remember it as a beer to be avoided... there are just to many better choices... SignatureHackamore http://www.hackamore.com http://www.hackamoretravel.com >Dutch win right to keep Bavaria beer name > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >any way pretended to be German,' Gerard van der Wal, a lawyer for the Dutch beer >maker told Bloomberg. 'We always said that we are a typical Dutch brewer.' That makes little sense to me. Why would a Dutch brewer (or even Berlin brewer) label its beer "Bavarian" unless there was some intent to link its beer with that made by Bavarians, to enhance its appeal? Signature************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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