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Mickey - 27 Aug 2008 16:05 GMT
I think this was discussed some time back but not sure.

What's your take on battery desulfators?  Do they work?

Don't have time to build one myself so was thinking of a commercial
unit.  I see they can be had for as little as $25 and go up from there.
 Any comments on the commercial units?

Mickey
Neon John - 27 Aug 2008 16:45 GMT
>I think this was discussed some time back but not sure.
>
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>unit.  I see they can be had for as little as $25 and go up from there.
>  Any comments on the commercial units?

Yes.  I've tested two.  One is the Battery Minder (or Tender, I can't recall
which is which, anyway, the one with the pushbutton in the center) and one
built from plans from this website that is now deceased.  

http://shaka.com/~kalepa/desulf.htm (still available at the Wayback Machine)

This page is still live and has some of his work on it.
http://www.dallas.net/~jvpoll/Battery/PerformanceDoc23/PerformanceDocumentation_
Units23.html


Both worked as advertised.

The one that I built is much more powerful than the Battery Minder but the BM
(heheh) does work.  In the test I applied it to an old Group 27 battery that
had been sitting around for a couple of years.  Some folks allege that merely
doing a long term charge will bring 'em back.  After several weeks of sitting
on a dumb charger adjusted to equalize voltage, it tested out at 20 amp-hours
and didn't improve over several cycles.

I put the BM on and left it for a couple of days.  The improvement, if any,
was statistically insignificant.  As I do more often than I should, when I get
an adverse result from an experiment, I tend to walk away, at least for
awhile.  That's what I did in this case.  I shoved the battery with the BM
attached under the bench and forgot about it.  

About 3 weeks later I thought about the battery and hooked it to my discharge
tester.  Amazingly enough, it now registered right at 80 amp-hours.
Essentially new.  Most batteries that I've actually discharge-tested have
their capacity over-stated.

I did some more experimenting with the battery and found something curious. As
long as a maintenance charger remained attached, the battery maintained its
capacity.  It could be discharged and recharged as normal.  But if allowed to
sit idle for awhile, it lost much of its recovered capacity.  Not stored
energy but the ability to store energy.  I have no idea why, though I
speculate that maybe the pores in the hard sulfate that pulsing is supposed to
open closed shut again.

In any event, that battery and the one just like it that I tested the
home-made unit on are still powering my UPS as part of a large string of
series-paralleled 24 volt batteries.

Pulse power matters.  The one that I built from plans is much more powerful
than the BM and it did its thing in days.  It's self-powered from the target
battery.

You might want to look around and see if you can find a kit based on the
Alastair Couper design.  Most anyone can solder that small of a kit together.
Or heck, have it sent to me and I'll assemble it and send it back.

I've had a BM attached to my house batteries continuously since I ran the
test.  It is not plugged in.  The pulser part works without AC power.  I've
made so many other changes that I can't say if it made any difference or not
but it sure hasn't hurt anything.

John
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Mickey - 28 Aug 2008 16:52 GMT
>> I think this was discussed some time back but not sure.
>>
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> John
> --
Thanks for the reply.  I thought I remembered you mentioning these
devices in the past.

I Have a copy of the AC circuit.  Was already aware that the shaka.com
site was no longer valid.

Do you have any knowledge about this unit?  http://www.wizbangplus.com/
 Sure looks like the AC design.  Like the fact it has a decent looking
PCB with surface mounted components & the large L1.  This item is being
offered on ebay for $25 + $6 shipping.  Also like the fact it is not
encapsulate so one can do some tweaking if desired.

Mickey
Neon John - 29 Aug 2008 18:26 GMT
>Thanks for the reply.  I thought I remembered you mentioning these
>devices in the past.
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>offered on ebay for $25 + $6 shipping.  Also like the fact it is not
>encapsulate so one can do some tweaking if desired.

Yeah, that's the same circuit.  It took me awhile to enhance those photos and
trace out the circuitry.  I can't read the values on some of the parts but the
circuit connections are the same.

Where on sleazebay is he offering them for $25?  He has $30 on his site.  

John
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John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.neon-john.com
http://www.johndearmond.com <-- best little blog on the net!
Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
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Conservation is a leap backward toward the caves.
Mickey - 30 Aug 2008 03:06 GMT
> Yeah, that's the same circuit.  It took me awhile to enhance those photos and
> trace out the circuitry.  I can't read the values on some of the parts but the
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> John
> --
Just look for desulfator's on e-bay.  They have a number of them plus
they have an ebay store.  $24.95/ea and all purchased at same time are
shipped for single $6 shipping fee.

I couldn't make out the components either but I was able to get the ID
for L1 the principle inductor.  Rated for 5A and resistance is .122
ohms.  They are claiming 60V p-p and from a response I received from
them peak current is on the order of 45A which seems a little high to
me.  How true I don't know.  They say they have been offering this or a
sim device since 96 and advertise them in same mag as the AC article in
2000.

Not sure why the price difference between their web site and ebay
pricing.  They were very prompt on answering my questions so I decided
to take a chance and placed an order for 2 for the MH.  Couple hrs later
received an email saying order filled and was ready for shipment,
priority mail.  Should have them early next week.

Mickey
 
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