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Lone Haranguer - 28 Aug 2008 17:13 GMT
Took the motor home in for oil change, etc and then to local dump
station.  On the way in gas was $3.60....  Fifteen minutes later one
station was $3.56, the rest had jumped to $3.68.

Hurricane Gustav is ringing their phone?
LZ
LouB - 28 Aug 2008 17:34 GMT
> Took the motor home in for oil change, etc and then to local dump
> station.  On the way in gas was $3.60....  Fifteen minutes later one
> station was $3.56, the rest had jumped to $3.68.
>
> Hurricane Gustav is ringing their phone?
> LZ

Its the American way

Lou
Art Todesco - 29 Aug 2008 16:13 GMT
I have a several local Speedway stations
in the Chicago suburban area that raises
their prices every Thursday sometime
during the day.  Then, late Sunday or
early Monday, they go back down.  Last
weekend it was upped 20 cents.

>> Took the motor home in for oil change, etc and then to local dump
>> station.  On the way in gas was $3.60....  Fifteen minutes later one
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>
> Lou
Lon VanOstran - 28 Aug 2008 18:04 GMT
> Took the motor home in for oil change, etc and then to local dump
> station.  On the way in gas was $3.60....  Fifteen minutes later one
> station was $3.56, the rest had jumped to $3.68.
>
> Hurricane Gustav is ringing their phone?
> LZ

Holiday weekend.

Lon
Lone Haranguer - 28 Aug 2008 18:10 GMT
>> Took the motor home in for oil change, etc and then to local dump
>> station.  On the way in gas was $3.60....  Fifteen minutes later one
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Lon

Probably.  Stations close to the Freeway in this area routinely jack up
their prices for the weekend and drop them late on Sunday.

So I normally boycott them.
LZ
Don Lampson - 28 Aug 2008 18:41 GMT
Well looky here!  It appears that Lon has returned,  even though he
left blubbering how he was never coming back again to participate with
all us slanderous liars!  HawHawHaw!
 I guess he was only "joking" about leaving,  and never really said he
was anyway?  HawHawHaw!
                                            Don

http://www.donlampson.com
william boyd - 28 Aug 2008 19:05 GMT
>   Well looky here!  It appears that Lon has returned,  even though he
> left blubbering how he was never coming back again to participate with
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>
> http://www.donlampson.com

I thought you were going to change that bar room drunk picture to
something more presentable.
BTW did you ever learn how to write song lyrics.

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william boyd - 28 Aug 2008 21:55 GMT
>>   Well looky here!  It appears that Lon has returned,  even though he
>> left blubbering how he was never coming back again to participate with
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> something more presentable.
> BTW did you ever learn how to write song lyrics.

Here is something that will help.
http://pcdon.com/EddieArnold-SlimWhitman.html

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Janet Wilder - 28 Aug 2008 19:46 GMT
>> Took the motor home in for oil change, etc and then to local dump
>> station.  On the way in gas was $3.60....  Fifteen minutes later one
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Holiday weekend.

...and Gustave, too. Local TV is reporting that a lot of off-shore rigs
are being shut down in the Gulf.

When we had the Freightliner, we had to fill each side (tank)
separately. If we were at a regular-type station without master and
slave pumps, I'd hold the nozzle and Barry would turn the truck around.

One day we were fueling in San Diego County, CA and I was on the cell
phone so I was off a ways and couldn't hold the nozzle. Barry hung it up
and turned the truck around. When he picked it up to start another
fueling session, the price had risen 4 cents on the gallon.

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Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

r@back.road - 28 Aug 2008 19:59 GMT
>>> Took the motor home in for oil change, etc and then to local dump
>>> station.  On the way in gas was $3.60....  Fifteen minutes later one
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> and turned the truck around. When he picked it up to start another
> fueling session, the price had risen 4 cents on the gallon.

It's Supply side economics. It's supply side government. They rig the
market. There's not a hint of any shortage. There is only a problem of
immoral swindlers, liars, and loan sharks of Big Business running
everything.
Lone Haranguer - 28 Aug 2008 21:33 GMT
>>> Took the motor home in for oil change, etc and then to local dump
>>> station.  On the way in gas was $3.60....  Fifteen minutes later one
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> ....and Gustave, too. Local TV is reporting that a lot of off-shore rigs
> are being shut down in the Gulf.

Yet oil prices dropped today.....

Oil prices fall despite Gustav threat
Crude settles lower as market watches a storm that could threaten
critical oil production facilities in the Gulf of Mexico. Fall in
natural gas prices pulls crude lower.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Oil prices ended lower Thursday, reversing an
early spike, as traders sized up a potentially devastating blow to
production from Tropical Storm Gustav and reacted to a decline in
natural gas prices.

U.S. crude for October delivery rose as much as $2.35 a barrel to touch
$120.50 in early trade before retreating to settle at $115.59 a barrel,
or $2.56 lower.
******************
So there was no market reason to jack up prices at the pump today.
Just dealers vacuuming our pockets if we plan to do any driving this
weekend.
LZ
Steve Barker DLT - 28 Aug 2008 22:59 GMT
Can't hold a fuel nozzel and a phone at the same time?

s

> One day we were fueling in San Diego County, CA and I was on the cell
> phone so I was off a ways and couldn't hold the nozzle. Barry hung it up
> and turned the truck around. When he picked it up to start another fueling
> session, the price had risen 4 cents on the gallon.
Janet Wilder - 29 Aug 2008 01:20 GMT
> Can't hold a fuel nozzel and a phone at the same time?

No. It's not a very good idea to get too close to fuel pumps with a cell
phone. Haven't you heard?

>> One day we were fueling in San Diego County, CA and I was on the cell
>> phone so I was off a ways and couldn't hold the nozzle. Barry hung it up
>> and turned the truck around. When he picked it up to start another fueling
>> session, the price had risen 4 cents on the gallon.

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Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

Steve Barker DLT - 29 Aug 2008 01:54 GMT
I have heard and it's a major hoax.   I can't believe a seasoned person such
as yourself has fallen for that bs.

s

>> Can't hold a fuel nozzel and a phone at the same time?
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>>> and turned the truck around. When he picked it up to start another
>>> fueling session, the price had risen 4 cents on the gallon.
Lone Haranguer - 29 Aug 2008 02:19 GMT
> I have heard and it's a major hoax.   I can't believe a seasoned person such
> as yourself has fallen for that bs.
>
> s
http://www.snopes.com/autos/hazards/gasvapor.asp

And gasoline vapors are far easier to ignite than diesel.
LZ

>>> Can't hold a fuel nozzel and a phone at the same time?
>>>
>> No. It's not a very good idea to get too close to fuel pumps with a cell
>> phone. Haven't you heard?
>>> "Janet Wilder" <kelliepoodle@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Janet Wilder - 29 Aug 2008 02:46 GMT
> I have heard and it's a major hoax.   I can't believe a seasoned person such
> as yourself has fallen for that bs.

This was in 2000 and I had just gotten my first little cell phone. (We
had a huge analog bag phone) The paperwork that came with the phone said
not to use it next to a gas pump. It was an Audiovox CDMA series phone.
Can't remember the number of the series. It was a "candy bar" phone with
a retractable antenna. Tri-band, IIRC.

I don't know what I "fell for" I just read the directions and followed them.

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Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

Steve Barker DLT - 29 Aug 2008 04:48 GMT
Well the way i figger it, is this:

EVEN _IF_ a cell phone could produce a spark.........  They are up at your
ear.....

Gasoline fumes are heavier than air.....

There's a lot better chance that the sparking in your electric starter motor
could go a long ways with lighting vapor as opposed to a cellphone that
makes no spark.

And that starter is down there 18" off the ground.....  HMMMMMM.......

Just another reason to leave the motor running.  LOL!

steve

>> I have heard and it's a major hoax.   I can't believe a seasoned person
>> such as yourself has fallen for that bs.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I don't know what I "fell for" I just read the directions and followed
> them.
NotMe - 29 Aug 2008 11:27 GMT
| > I have heard and it's a major hoax.   I can't believe a seasoned person such
| > as yourself has fallen for that bs.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
|
| I don't know what I "fell for" I just read the directions and followed them.

I was deeply involved with the CTIA/EIA standards groups that wrote those
instructions. These were drafted around '95. The text was *strictly* a CYA
warning and more for the 3 w bag phones even so.  If memory serves bag
phones and their trunk mounted brothers went out of production in 97 or 98.
Interestingly enough there was a black market for the bag phones for use on
oil platforms and marine transfer points as FAX phones as the digital phones
of the day were not able to handle FAX analog tones.

The consensus (this from the insurance companies underwriter test) was that
hand held cell phones were inherently* intrinsically safe.  Phones  were not
submitted for certification first due to cost/demand and second due to the
time required to receive certification.  The product life cycle was ~ 18
months certification at the time took 36+ months if there were no hic ups.

*In an oversimplification the determination is the battery being able to
deliver sufficient power to induce a fire or explosion in normal use.  FWIW
even crushing the battery we were never, ever, able to induce an explosion
in our testing.  At the time we followed all legal action involving cell
phones and never found a credible claim of any explosion induced by cell
phones.

I personally would be more concerned about catalytic converters which I have
observed, in testing in a failure mode, cause fires. (and yet no one has
made a U-tube video of a cat converter popping popcorn)
Lone Haranguer - 29 Aug 2008 14:50 GMT
> I personally would be more concerned about catalytic converters which I have
> observed, in testing in a failure mode, cause fires. (and yet no one has
> made a U-tube video of a cat converter popping popcorn)

When catalytic converters were new, a friend of mine was demonstrating a
new tillage
technique on his farm.  Since he was a farmer, member of the house of
representatives and also the governor's personal pilot, quite a few
members of the press showed up.  One drove his new car out into a field
of oat stubble, giving a ride to my friend's father, who was in his mid
80's and barely mobile.

Yep, the oat stubble caught on fire and the news reporter bolted,
leaving the old man in the back seat.  My friend jumped off the tractor,
made it to the car, started it and drove it over to some plowed land
nearby.  The gaggle of reporters all ran for their lives fearing a gas
tank explosion.

The tongue-lashing he gave them cut short his political career.
Otherwise he may have become governor some day.  :)
LZ
TS - 29 Aug 2008 18:08 GMT
> > I personally would be more concerned about catalytic converters which I have
> > observed, in testing in a failure mode, cause fires. (and yet no one has
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Otherwise he may have become governor some day.  :)
> LZ

Reporters are very sensitive people who will get back at anyone who
doesn't show the proper amount of respect to them.  Unfortuntely they
today have the power to make or break ideas, politicos, businesses,
entertainers, etc etc..  I think reporters and pundits are almost as
low as legislators.
TS
Don Lampson - 29 Aug 2008 19:08 GMT
Tom
 Reporters may have the power to "make or break" politicians,  and
maybe even business big shots,  but they sure don't worry  entertainers
none!
 People like Michael Jackson,  Brittany Spears,  Paris,  Lindsay,
Nicole,  Mel Gibson,  Shugie Knight,  etc,  etc,  etc,  act like swine
constantly,  and never care about the press!
 They've carloads of "paprazzi" following them around all the time,
and they just don't give a crap!  HawHawHaw!
 The only "social critics" they're worried about are the police!
                                                  Don

http://www.donlampson.com
Pepperoni - 29 Aug 2008 02:18 GMT
> No. It's not a very good idea to get too close to fuel pumps with a cell
> phone. Haven't you heard?

http://www.snopes.com/autos/hazards/gasvapor.asp
Lone Haranguer - 29 Aug 2008 02:21 GMT
>> No. It's not a very good idea to get too close to fuel pumps with a cell
>> phone. Haven't you heard?
>
> http://www.snopes.com/autos/hazards/gasvapor.asp

I see you won the posting race by 1 minute.
LZ
Tom J - 29 Aug 2008 02:38 GMT
>> Can't hold a fuel nozzel and a phone at the same time?
>
> No. It's not a very good idea to get too close to fuel pumps with a
> cell phone. Haven't you heard?

Cell phones not proven to be a problem:
http://www.snopes.com/autos/hazards/gasvapor.asp

Stattic electricity HAS been proven to be a problem:
http://www.snopes.com/autos/hazards/static.asp

Tom J
Steve Barker DLT - 29 Aug 2008 04:45 GMT
Even THAT is pretty far fetched.....

s

> Stattic electricity HAS been proven to be a problem:
> http://www.snopes.com/autos/hazards/static.asp
>
> Tom J
Steve Barker DLT - 28 Aug 2008 22:58 GMT
that's what they're blaming it on.  heard it on the news last nite.
Couldn't have anythin to do with it being a holiday weekend...  NO..... no
way....

s

> Took the motor home in for oil change, etc and then to local dump station.
> On the way in gas was $3.60....  Fifteen minutes later one station was
> $3.56, the rest had jumped to $3.68.
>
> Hurricane Gustav is ringing their phone?
> LZ
RAM³ - 28 Aug 2008 23:41 GMT
Lone Haranguer <linuszrv@gmail.com> wrote in news:6ho157Fn5jboU1
@mid.individual.net:

> Took the motor home in for oil change, etc and then to local dump
> station.  On the way in gas was $3.60....  Fifteen minutes later one
> station was $3.56, the rest had jumped to $3.68.
>
> Hurricane Gustav is ringing their phone?
> LZ

If so then why is RUL going for $3.339 and Diesel for $3.929 here where
Gustav might actually appear?
Lone Haranguer - 29 Aug 2008 00:08 GMT
> Lone Haranguer <linuszrv@gmail.com> wrote in news:6ho157Fn5jboU1
> @mid.individual.net:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> If so then why is RUL going for $3.339 and Diesel for $3.929 here where
> Gustav might actually appear?

Yet oil prices dropped today.....

Oil prices fall despite Gustav threat
Crude settles lower as market watches a storm that could threaten
critical oil production facilities in the Gulf of Mexico. Fall in
natural gas prices pulls crude lower.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Oil prices ended lower Thursday, reversing an
early spike, as traders sized up a potentially devastating blow to
production from Tropical Storm Gustav and reacted to a decline in
natural gas prices.

U.S. crude for October delivery rose as much as $2.35 a barrel to touch
$120.50 in early trade before retreating to settle at $115.59 a barrel,
or $2.56 lower.
******************
So there was no market reason to jack up prices at the pump today.
Just dealers vacuuming our pockets if we plan to do any driving this
weekend.
LZ
rvfulltime - 29 Aug 2008 16:58 GMT
> Took the motor home in for oil change, etc and then to local dump
> station.  On the way in gas was $3.60....  Fifteen minutes later one
> station was $3.56, the rest had jumped to $3.68.
>
> Hurricane Gustav is ringing their phone?
> LZ

We stopped at the Ute Indian Casino & Gas Station a few miles south of
Cortez, Colorado on Saturday for a fill up of diesel.  The posted price
by the highway was $4.40/gallon, which was about 10 cents less than most
places in Cortez.  We pulled up to the pump and I noticed that the price
wasn't visible on the pump.  My wife went into pay and when she got the
receipt she noticed that the price was $4.60/gallon.  When she
complained the clerk's response was "So you want to give the diesel back?"
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
PaulT - 02 Sep 2008 15:17 GMT
>> Took the motor home in for oil change, etc and then to local dump
>> station.  On the way in gas was $3.60....  Fifteen minutes later one
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> the clerk's response was "So you want to give the diesel back?"
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

On Saturday in Urbanna, VA diesel was $3.98 at the Exxon station.
Saw several others on the way home from $4.09 to $4.69.

Paul
mikeyhsd - 29 Aug 2008 18:51 GMT
if you cannot afford to drive it, park it.

probably too drunk to drive anyway.

mikeyhsd@sprintpcs.com

 Took the motor home in for oil change, etc and then to local dump
 station.  On the way in gas was $3.60....  Fifteen minutes later one
 station was $3.56, the rest had jumped to $3.68.

 Hurricane Gustav is ringing their phone?
 LZ
 
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