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Travel Forum / Travel Types / RV Travel / November 2008Canon EOS Reble vs Windows Vista
I recently replaced my old laptop (knocked it off the table and broke it) with a new one with Windows Vista. The bad news is that the Canon EOS Rebel series and Vista are not compatible and Canon either can't' or won't do anything about it. Each time you download photos to the laptop the numbers start at 001. Now if you want to combine folders it becomes necessary to change the numbers on all the folders except the first one. Apparently this problem applies to the whole EOS Rebel series so keep in mind if you are looking to purchase one. Don in Mid-Coast Maine > I recently replaced my old laptop (knocked it off the table and broke > it) with a new one with Windows Vista. The bad news is that the Canon > EOS Rebel series and Vista are not compatible and Canon either can't' > or won't do anything about it. Consider upgrading the computer to XP, if it's possible. >> I recently replaced my old laptop (knocked it off the table and broke >> it) with a new one with Windows Vista. The bad news is that the Canon >> EOS Rebel series and Vista are not compatible and Canon either can't' >> or won't do anything about it. > > Consider upgrading the computer to XP, if it's possible. Or better yet, Leopard : ) > >> I recently replaced my old laptop (knocked it off the table and broke > >> it) with a new one with Windows Vista. The bad news is that the Canon [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Or better yet, Leopard : ) Sure, but I figured he was already invested in the hardware. >I recently replaced my old laptop (knocked it off the table and broke >it) with a new one with Windows Vista. The bad news is that the Canon [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Apparently this problem applies to the whole EOS Rebel series so keep >in mind if you are looking to purchase one. Hi Don, I download all photos to a file I named "New Photos" Then I can highlight them all and do a name change all at once. Say I do 10 pictures and change the name to Tucker, the programs names them Tucker 1, Tucker 2 etc.... I wonder if your program will do that. Hunter >Hi Don, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >I wonder if your program will do that. >>Hi Don, >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >>I wonder if your program will do that. Hi Don, Did you add a reply to this or send it by mistake? Hunter >>Hi Don, >> >>I download all photos to a file I named "New Photos" I would assume that she means "folder" or "directory" instead of file but with the air involved, who knows? >>Then I can highlight them all and do a name change all at once. >> >>Say I do 10 pictures and change the name to Tucker, the programs names >>them Tucker 1, Tucker 2 etc.... >> >>I wonder if your program will do that. THE Rename does all her thingied does and more, on directories or files, not bound to any camera (though if the camera mounts as a removable drive as does my Canon Power Shot, it can work on the files right there in the camera) can do all sorts of other renames and is as always of something I recommend, free http://www.herve-thouzard.com/the-rename John -- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com http://www.johndearmond.com <-- best little blog on the net! Tellico Plains, Occupied TN If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made with meat? >Hi Don, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >I wonder if your program will do that. I figured there must be a way to change them but I only found this out Sunday and haven't had a chance to mess with it. Thanks for the advice. Sorry for the blank post, I just bought the full version of Agent and I have to get familiar with it. >I recently replaced my old laptop (knocked it off the table and broke >it) with a new one with Windows Vista. I'll be glad to take that old laptop off your hands and pay the shipping even, assuming "broke it" means the screen. >The bad news is that the Canon >EOS Rebel series and Vista are not compatible and Canon either can't' >or won't do anything about it. Each time you download photos to the >laptop the numbers start at 001. Now if you want to combine folders it >becomes necessary to change the numbers on all the folders except the >first one. Isn't that "reset to zero" a settable parameter in the camera? It is in my Canon less expensive ones. >Apparently this problem applies to the whole EOS Rebel series so keep >in mind if you are looking to purchase one. Curious why you're not just taking the card out and plugging it into a reader. With my Canons (which are bunches faster than my Nikon), the card reader is about 10x faster and nothing in your camera gets mucked with. Other than to test, I don't think I've ever had my cameras USBd to my computer to retrieve pictures. Just too slow. -- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com http://www.johndearmond.com <-- best little blog on the net! Tellico Plains, Occupied TN Give Blood. 8 Billion Mosquitoes can't be wrong. >>Apparently this problem applies to the whole EOS Rebel series so keep >>in mind if you are looking to purchase one. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > retrieve > pictures. Just too slow. being in england, i have the canon EOS 350D, which is the same as the rebel in america i believe (was with the film version i had before i went digital) im running vista (the buiseness edition) and all my cannon supplied software works fine with my camera, downloads them properly etc. tho i do agree with neon john, an external card reader is a hell of a lot faster to get the photo's off the card, i read lots of 'horror' stories of people bending a pin in the camera's card socket and canon wont do a warrenty repair, so they advocate never taking the card out, but 90% of those people when pushed will admit they tried to put the card in backwards and kept on pushing when it wouldent go, >being in england, i have the canon EOS 350D, which is the same as the rebel >in america i believe (was with the film version i had before i went digital) > >im running vista (the buiseness edition) and all my cannon supplied software >works fine with my camera, downloads them properly etc. From Canon: Thank you for your inquiry. We value you as a Canon customer and appreciate the opportunity to assist you. We are sorry to hear that you are not able to connect your EOS Digital Rebel to Vista. This EOS Digital Rebel is not compatible with Vista. We apologize for any inconvenience this causes you. You will need to consider purchasing a plug and play USB card reader to download pictures to your computer. Memory card readers can be purchased at photography, big box retailers and electronic stores. They should not cost you very much, usually less than $20 or so. When you get the reader, you take the memory card from your camera and insert it into the appropriate slot on the reader. You can then import images to your computer using Windows explorer. Many users actually report that this method is much faster and is thus preferred over connecting the camera to the computer. We regret any inconvenience this may cause you. We hope this information is helpful to you. Please let us know if we can be of any further assistance with your EOS Digital Rebel. Thank you for choosing Canon. Sincerely, Tim Technical Support Representative >Thank you for your inquiry. We value you as a Canon customer and >appreciate the opportunity to assist you. We are sorry to hear that >you >are not able to connect your EOS Digital Rebel to Vista. ARe there schools to teach ordinary people to write this kind of corporate BS? >This EOS Digital Rebel is not compatible with Vista. We apologize for >any inconvenience this causes you. You will need to consider [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >less >than $20 or so. I'm kinda proud of Canon for this attitude. It's just another nail in the coffin of Vista. Now if they'd just announce a Linux driver... Microsh*t has already admitted that Vista is a disaster and is already promoting winders 7 which, from beta reports I've read, is just as bad. Now is the prime opportunity to endure the couple of weeks of pain and make the Linux switch. John -- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com http://www.johndearmond.com <-- best little blog on the net! Tellico Plains, Occupied TN A few harmless flakes working together can unleash an avalanche of destruction. >tho i do agree with neon john, an external card reader is a hell of a lot >faster to get the photo's off the card, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >the card out, but 90% of those people when pushed will admit they tried to >put the card in backwards and kept on pushing when it wouldent go, I can't imagine. I just got out my stereoscope and my xenon arc lamp surgeon's illuminator and took a peek down the SD slot of my Canon Power Shot. I still can't imagine how someone could ram a card in backwards. There is a substantial piece of plastic on each side that keeps the card from entering even a quarter inch. Farther into the slot are more plastic guides. If a gorilla manages to break the first two, there's a second line of defense. Then there are the contacts. Not really pins but nicely rounded sliding fingers. Even if someone managed to ram the card past both guides, the fingers should slide right over the back side of the card. Someone would almost have to have intent to break those fingers. I'm glad that Canon is refusing to repair such damage that is the mark of a completely insensitive dunce. Insensitive in both mind and body. As another test, I took the original 16mb card that came with the camera (finally! a use for the damned thing) and tried to force backwards it to my little USB reader. Using more force than I'd ever use on ANY consumer mechanism, I failed to get it to go in. I'm not sure it is possible without totally destroying the reader and that would require relatively enormous strength. John -- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com http://www.johndearmond.com <-- best little blog on the net! Tellico Plains, Occupied TN Why the US is losing its competitivve edge:"It used to be that the USA was pretty good at producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."-James Niccol >>tho i do agree with neon john, an external card reader is a hell of a lot >>faster to get the photo's off the card, [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >John I believe that the Rebel is the same as my 20D in using CF cards, making all of the above about SD cards moot. CF cards have a double row of pins, and CAN be forced in incorrectly. A good argument against them, but they are still used in a number of SLR cameras. Don Bradner www.arcatapet.net '90 Wanderlodge PT40 "Blue Thunder" towing '07 Jeep Liberty Posting today by Satellite from Fort Myers Beach, Florida > I believe that the Rebel is the same as my 20D in using CF cards, > making all of the above about SD cards moot. CF cards have a double > row of pins, and CAN be forced in incorrectly. A good argument against > them, but they are still used in a number of SLR cameras. They're used in my 40D, too. I'm not sure, and too lazy to look it up, but aren't they faster than the SD cards? And, higher available capacities?  SignatureKevin W. Miller http://www.bluemoongemworks.com/rv >> I believe that the Rebel is the same as my 20D in using CF cards, >> making all of the above about SD cards moot. CF cards have a double [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >They're used in my 40D, too. I'm not sure, and too lazy to look it up, but >aren't they faster than the SD cards? And, higher available capacities? My Nikon and my last Canon both use CF cards. The protection in those slots is even better. I broke the screen on my canon awhile back so I didn't mind trying to force a card in backwards. I couldn't, at least not without using a LOT of force. As far as speed, I doubt that there is much difference at a particular price point. Both my CF cameras can use the faster cards but they don't make much difference. I'm sure that it would with a very high end camera. OTOH, the "file system" inside every camera I've ever played with is much slower than a fast winders or Linux machine and a good card reader. Really fast CF cards still seem slower than sorta fast SDs. As far as capacity, don't know but doubt that there is any difference in anything we can afford. More important is what you camera can use. My Nikon can only use 2GB. A bigger card will work but the space is ignored. My brand new Canon can use either 8 or 16, can't recall exactly. At some point ya gotta ask yourself how many photos do you want to have on one card to be at risk of corruption or loss? About 2 gig is it for me. I still use a picture wallet (a little case with a hard drive that automatically reads whatever is plugged into it. It now has a 120gig drive instead of the original 20. I actually shoot the card into the wallet several times before the card fills up. Redundancy. I leave the card full until I can get back home and empty it to my PC and put the material into my normal backup workflow. The wallet is my second backup. I delete all but the last read of each card and then leave that on there as my second backup. I see driveless wallets advertised all the time in the $30 range. Just the thing to put that old 20 or 40 gig drive from your laptop in and put it to use. John -- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com http://www.johndearmond.com <-- best little blog on the net! Tellico Plains, Occupied TN You can't turn [MS] shovelware into reliable software by patching it a whole lot. -Marcus Ranum >I believe that the Rebel is the same as my 20D in using CF cards, >making all of the above about SD cards moot. CF cards have a double [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Posting today by Satellite from >Fort Myers Beach, Florida 40D uses CF. 450D (Rebel XSI) uses SD. JD up North >I'll be glad to take that old laptop off your hands and pay the shipping even, >assuming "broke it" means the screen. I'll send it if you want it. I took the HD out of it and the screen isn't very bright but you can have it if you want it. >Isn't that "reset to zero" a settable parameter in the camera? It is in my >Canon less expensive ones. It doesn't matter, the numbers don't download to the computer, thay always start at 001. >Curious why you're not just taking the card out and plugging it into a reader. >With my Canons (which are bunches faster than my Nikon), the card reader is >about 10x faster and nothing in your camera gets mucked with. Other than to >test, I don't think I've ever had my cameras USBd to my computer to retrieve >pictures. Just too slow. >-- I have a card reader but it doesn't eliminate the problem, they still start at 001. I agree about the speed but I alrready have so much junk when I travel that one less device and associated cable is more important to me than download speed. Thanks for the advice. >I have a card reader but it doesn't eliminate the problem, they still >start at 001. That guarantees that they problem is not Vista, it's in the camera. On my Canon 20D, the menu item is "File numbering" and the options are "Continuous" and "Auto reset" Don Bradner www.arcatapet.net '90 Wanderlodge PT40 "Blue Thunder" towing '07 Jeep Liberty Posting today by Satellite from Fort Myers Beach, Florida >>I have a card reader but it doesn't eliminate the problem, they still >>start at 001. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Posting today by Satellite from >Fort Myers Beach, Florida My camera has the same options, which are set correctly. The numbers are correct when viewing a shot on the camera screen. They just don't transfer to the laptop. >>>I have a card reader but it doesn't eliminate the problem, they still >>>start at 001. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >The numbers are correct when viewing a shot on the camera screen. They >just don't transfer to the laptop. We are missing some detail here. Are you using some program (Canon or otherwise) to move the files from the card? A lot of times when you use a card reader you will get that popup from Windows that gives a bunch of options. You either want to cancel that, or select open as a folder (if that option is available, which isn't always the case). Either way, open the card as though it was a disk drive and you will see the files named just as they are in the camera, and you just move or copy them to your computer. I can see how a name change could occur if you are using some program, but I don't see why you would want to use some program. With my 20D I use a USB cable to the camera because I don't have a fast reader for CF cards, and I always just cancel the popup and open the camera as a drive. Don Bradner www.arcatapet.net '90 Wanderlodge PT40 "Blue Thunder" towing '07 Jeep Liberty Posting today by Satellite from Fort Myers Beach, Florida >We are missing some detail here. Are you using some program (Canon or >otherwise) to move the files from the card? A lot of times when you [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Posting today by Satellite from >Fort Myers Beach, Florida My first popup says that a driver has to be installed for the hardware. This is the root of the problem since my Canon software which worked perfectly on my old Windows XT, will not work on the Vista OS. This driver is not available from Canon... thus my original post to potential Rebel owners. I liked your idea of opening the card as a disk drive so I started pluging the cable into my card reader and something inside the damn thing let loose and now it won't work. That really pisses me off :~( >We are missing some detail here. Are you using some program (Canon or >otherwise) to move the files from the card? A lot of times when you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >see the files named just as they are in the camera, and you just move >or copy them to your computer. "We" aren't missing any details here. As stated in my first post my Canon camera and software do not work on Windows Vista, and this was confirmed by Canon. I posted to warn potential Canon Rebel owners of the problem and also with the hope that someone might have a way to work around the problem. The first popup says that drivers must be installed, which of course aren't available from Canon. I liked your idea of opening the reader as a drive so I tried it. I plugged the cable into the reader and something inside let loose (it is a cheap reader) and now it won't work. That really pissed me off :~( >I liked your idea of opening the reader as a drive so I tried it. I >plugged the cable into the reader and something inside let loose (it >is a cheap reader) and now it won't work. That really pissed >me off :~( What cable? Do you mean memory card into the reader? Sorry about the double post. I thought I lost the 1st one. Still getting used to Agent's many messages. >>I have a card reader but it doesn't eliminate the problem, they still >>start at 001. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Posting today by Satellite from >Fort Myers Beach, Florida Agreed. I have the Rebel XSI (North American version) and the numbering format is user selctable in the "menu" screens. Same choice ... "Continuous" and "Auto reset" JD up North >>I'll be glad to take that old laptop off your hands and pay the shipping even, >>assuming "broke it" means the screen. >> >I'll send it if you want it. I took the HD out of it and the screen >isn't very bright but you can have it if you want it. That'd be perfect. I want a little shop computer that I can hook a flat panel monitor to (eyes are getting too bad for the older build-in screens) and a keyboard and have a very thin "desktop computer". I have hard drives out the ying-yang and will be running linux on it. I was just about to start hitting the local Craig's list looking for a laptop with a broken screen so this is propitious. Hit my web site, click on 'email john" and we'll make arrangements. That'll give you my current address in a spam-proof format. >>Isn't that "reset to zero" a settable parameter in the camera? It is in my >>Canon less expensive ones. >> >It doesn't matter, the numbers don't download to the computer, thay >always start at 001. That is strange and a LOT different than how the software behaves on my camera. I installed it tonight on my XP system. Target camera is a PowerShot A590is - a very modern one. The software obeys the numbering on the card. In fact, I think that it does little more than invoke the XP command line "copy" command. I CAN cause the numbers to reset from the pc screen, just as I can from the camera but I have to make an overt choice. I wonder if there is something other than just the Vista problem going on. I can understand Vista not talking to the driver or letting it load but having the OS modify the way the actual program works is quite unusual. Have you downloaded the latest version of the code from Canon? I saw a new version there when I looked for a new version for my camera. the new version of the software for my camera is every bit as slow as the older stuff and still about 10x slower than my little reader. Here are a couple of pix of the reader that I use. I think I paid under $10 for it at either Wallyworld or a big box store. It does both SD and variants and that tiny little chip of a memory card that cellphones use. http://www.neon-john.com/Files/files/RORT/mm_01.jpg http://www.neon-john.com/Files/files/RORT/mm_02.jpg This thing is actually smaller than the cable that came with my camera. John -- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com http://www.johndearmond.com <-- best little blog on the net! Tellico Plains, Occupied TN The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources -Albert Einstein >>>I'll be glad to take that old laptop off your hands and pay the shipping even, >>>assuming "broke it" means the screen. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >the local Craig's list looking for a laptop with a broken screen so this is >propitious. Before we arrange to ship it I just want to make sure that you know that the screen isn't the problem. After I knocked it off the table it would no longer boot up even though the HD was not damaged. If you still want to have it shipped I'll do it. >That is strange and a LOT different than how the software behaves on my >camera. I installed it tonight on my XP system. Target camera is a PowerShot >A590is - a very modern one. The software obeys the numbering on the card. In >fact, I think that it does little more than invoke the XP command line "copy" >command. When Canon tells me that my Rebel won't download properly on Vista I tend to think they know what they are talking about >>>>I'll be glad to take that old laptop off your hands and pay the shipping even, >>>>assuming "broke it" means the screen. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >would no longer boot up even though the HD was not damaged. If you >still want to have it shipped I'll do it. I better pass. I don't work on computer hardware anymore. Can't see the stuff. I figured that if it had a busted screen but otherwise OK, I could use it. >>That is strange and a LOT different than how the software behaves on my >>camera. I installed it tonight on my XP system. Target camera is a PowerShot [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >When Canon tells me that my Rebel won't download properly on Vista I >tend to think they know what they are talking about I wasn't doubting you or them, dude. I just think it very strange that the host environment makes the actual application behave so much differently. That's winders fer ye. John -- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com http://www.johndearmond.com <-- best little blog on the net! Tellico Plains, Occupied TN I don't speak Stupid so do speak slowly. > I wasn't doubting you or them, dude. I just think it very strange that > the > host environment makes the actual application behave so much differently. > That's winders fer ye. > > John I have the Rebel XT. Uploading pictures using the USB connection under XP works flawlessly. Uploading the same way to the desktop/Vista will not work. Have to take the card out and stick it into the reader. I would guess that Canon or someone else will come up with a Vista driver. SignatureCarl A. in FL >I wasn't doubting you or them, dude. I just think it very strange that the >host environment makes the actual application behave so much differently. >That's winders fer ye. > >John I didn't think you were :~) > I recently replaced my old laptop (knocked it off the table and broke > it) with a new one with Windows Vista. The bad news is that the Canon [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Don in Mid-Coast Maine Go to http://store.acdsee.com/store/acd/en_US/DisplayProductDetailsPage/productID.106893200 and download the trial version of the software, then see if you can download the pictures using your card reader or camera. If yes, pay for the full version. It's what I use to download and organize my images which now number over 15,000 on the HD. Good thing is it won't cost you anything to try it. :-) Nice to see you post. Are you going to be out west this year? Signature"You can say any foolish thing to a dog, and the dog will give you a look that says, 'My God, you're right! I never would've thought of that!'" --Dave Barry http://www.bobhatch.com http://www.tdsrvresort.com >Go to >http://store.acdsee.com/store/acd/en_US/DisplayProductDetailsPage/productID.106893200 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Nice to see you post. Are you going to be out west this year? The ACDsee program came with my first digital camera, Olympus, and I used it for years. I quit using it when I bought the Rebel primarily because of the auto-rotate feature. I got tired of rotating my desktop monitor :~) We are thinking of heading west but haven't decided how far. I had intended to email you and ask where your park is but since you didn't answer an email about guns last summer (sob...sob...sob...) I haven't gotten around to it. We might go to Tombstone or... maybe even Death Valley. Don >> Go to >> http://store.acdsee.com/store/acd/en_US/DisplayProductDetailsPage/productID.106893200 [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > because of the auto-rotate feature. I got tired of rotating my desktop > monitor :~) With ACDSee, highlight all the images not rotated, press CRTL J, and follow the simple instructions. It helps if you "always" hold the camera in the same rotation for vertical images. > We are thinking of heading west but haven't decided how far. I had > intended to email you and ask where your park is but since you didn't > answer an email about guns last summer (sob...sob...sob...) I don't remember getting an email from you about guns. Resend the question to my email, bobhatch at bobhatch dot com, and I promise I'll answer it. :-) I haven't > gotten around to it. We might go to Tombstone or... maybe even Death > Valley. Let us know if you'll be in the area, we would love to see you guys again. Signature"You can say any foolish thing to a dog, and the dog will give you a look that says, 'My God, you're right! I never would've thought of that!'" --Dave Barry http://www.bobhatch.com http://www.tdsrvresort.com >I don't remember getting an email from you about guns. Resend the question >to my email, bobhatch at bobhatch dot com, and I promise I'll answer it. :-) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >Let us know if you'll be in the area, we would love to see you guys again. I sort of want to get a small .22 and there was a long discussion about a particular gun on this group a while ago. I emailed you asking if you remembered the brand name. I think someone on the group owned one but I don't remember who. >> I don't remember getting an email from you about guns. Resend the >> question to my email, bobhatch at bobhatch dot com, and I promise [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > if you remembered the brand name. I think someone on the group owned > one but I don't remember who. I don't remember the conversation, but Mary owns a Beretta Model 21A. It's about 5" long and 4" high. Semi auto, 22 long (stingers work best). It's no good for long distance, or maybe even medium, but close up (1" to 40' or so) it's accurate enough. 7 in the magazine and one in the tube. Signature"You can say any foolish thing to a dog, and the dog will give you a look that says, 'My God, you're right! I never would've thought of that!'" --Dave Barry http://www.bobhatch.com http://www.tdsrvresort.com >>> I don't remember getting an email from you about guns. Resend the >>> question to my email, bobhatch at bobhatch dot com, and I promise [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > good for long distance, or maybe even medium, but close up (1" to 40' or so) > it's accurate enough. 7 in the magazine and one in the tube. Well, that's a cute little gun. If Mary should be attacked, I hope it's by little hatless hamsters. Signaturebill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work. > Well, that's a cute little gun. If Mary should be attacked, I hope > it's by little hatless hamsters. Harumph... we rarely go anywhere without a hat... http://eclectech.co.uk/b3ta/posh-hamster.jpg David "The Hamster" Malone >> Well, that's a cute little gun. If Mary should be attacked, I hope >> it's by little hatless hamsters. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > David "The Hamster" Malone I knew that, and that's why I said it. That looks like a kevlar hat, and that cute little gun will be inadequate for a one-shot stopping brain shot. However, that looks like a classy hamster, and she's more likely to be attacked by one wearing a do-rag. I don't know if they make kevlar kerchiefs or scarves - but if I had to depend on that cute little gun, I'd find out. Signaturebill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work. > I knew that, and that's why I said it. That looks like a kevlar hat, > and that cute little gun will be inadequate for a one-shot stopping > brain shot. However, that looks like a classy hamster, and she's more > likely to be attacked by one wearing a do-rag. Kevlar my posterior. It's actually the finest beaver pelt over an aluminum frame with a silk hatband and a honed steel brim. If Mary tried to shoot him with that toy gun, he'd whip that thing at her and slice her head off like a tomato in a Ginsu knife commercial... (Insert maniacal laughter here...) David "The Hamster" Malone On Nov 18, 4:07 pm, bill horne <redy...@rye.net> wrote: > Well, that's a cute little gun. If Mary should be attacked, I hope > it's by little hatless hamsters. Harumph... we rarely go anywhere without a hat... http://eclectech.co.uk/b3ta/posh-hamster.jpg David "The Hamster" Malone He misspelled heartless. Max >>>> I don't remember getting an email from you about guns. Resend the >>>> question to my email, bobhatch at bobhatch dot com, and I promise [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Well, that's a cute little gun. If Mary should be attacked, I hope > it's by little hatless hamsters. Damn, you never give up. Notice I did not say "Damn you, never give up." Signature"You can say any foolish thing to a dog, and the dog will give you a look that says, 'My God, you're right! I never would've thought of that!'" --Dave Barry http://www.bobhatch.com http://www.tdsrvresort.com >>>>> I don't remember getting an email from you about guns. Resend the >>>>> question to my email, bobhatch at bobhatch dot com, and I promise [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Notice I did not say "Damn you, never give up." I'll move commas wherever I damlike thank you very much. Signaturebill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work. >> I don't remember getting an email from you about guns. Resend the question >> to my email, bobhatch at bobhatch dot com, and I promise I'll answer it. :-) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > if you remembered the brand name. I think someone on the group owned > one but I don't remember who. http://www.naaminis.com/lrifle.html This little gem? LZ >I sort of want to get a small .22 and there was a long discussion >about a particular gun on this group a while ago. I emailed you asking >if you remembered the brand name. I think someone on the group owned >one but I don't remember who. I don't recall any email but here's the piece I use and how I use it. A North American Arms .22 mag 5 shot revolver. This photo shows how I hold it ready for firing http://www.neon-john.com/Files/files/fangler/NAA_Grip/Grip_01.jpg I wear loose pants and can have the pistol in that grip, pointed at a potential bad guy and ready to pull the trigger without his ever knowing it and without "brandishing a firearm". If the threat doesn't materialize (99.999999% of the time it doesn't) then the other guy never knows that he had been covered with a gun which is very good. http://www.neon-john.com/Files/files/fangler/NAA_Grip/Grip_02.jpg Thumb lifted to show how the hammer is given clearance to work. http://www.neon-john.com/Files/files/fangler/NAA_Grip/Grip_03.jpg My rapid fire grip (no I don't hold it sideways but taking a photo is difficult single-handedly). I use my offhand thumb to operate the hammer. I can hold the trigger in and fan the hammer as fast as I want to fire. http://www.neon-john.com/Files/files/fangler/NAA_Grip/Grip_04.jpg Normal view of the grip. My right hand would normally be wrapped a bit higher on my left but that didn't work for the photograph. Using this grip I can empty the thing in less than 2 seconds. Lots of folks make fun of the .22 mag. I have several responses. - It provides me much better protection than my .45 ACP Gold Cup that I had to leave at home because a shoulder holster was inappropriate for the occasion. - The .22 mag is a vastly under-rated cartridge. By my testing (don't give a damn what the magazines say - I have my own instruments and I trust my testing.), it has both more energy and more momentum than a .32 and isn't far behind in penetrating power to a .380. It'll penetrate almost 3 2X4s. There's a dimple in the back side of the last timber. A .380 will just barely get the bullet out of the 3rd timber. - No, the little pea popper isn't accurate but that doesn't matter. If I'm far enough away from the perp to need to aim, I'm going to turn and run, bad knee or not. Lots less paperwork for that route! This is a belly gun that you have aimed at the guy from 5-6 feet away. The technique that I practice (you do what you drill as the Marines say) is "first shot from the pocket to the gut or groin. Second and subsequent shots from out of pocket to the head or chest." Like one of the great shooters and shooting school teachers once said, "that second round makes differences in ballistics irrelevant". John -- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com http://www.johndearmond.com <-- best little blog on the net! Tellico Plains, Occupied TN If stupidity hurt then there'd be Aspirin in the salt shakers. >http://www.neon-john.com/Files/files/fangler/NAA_Grip/Grip_01.jpg John I've never fired one of these but, being as it's a revolver, seems there should be enough gas escape between the front face of the cylinder and the forcing cone to warm up your index finger just a wee tad? JD up North >> Go to >> http://store.acdsee.com/store/acd/en_US/DisplayProductDetailsPage/productID.106893200 [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > gotten around to it. We might go to Tombstone or... maybe even Death > Valley. Oh, I forgot to tell you where our park is. Florence, AZ. About 30 miles south of Apache Junction on HWY 79. More here: http://www.tdsrvresort.com Signature"You can say any foolish thing to a dog, and the dog will give you a look that says, 'My God, you're right! I never would've thought of that!'" --Dave Barry http://www.bobhatch.com http://www.tdsrvresort.com > Go to > http://store.acdsee.com/store/acd/en_US/DisplayProductDetailsPage/productID.106893200 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Nice to see you post. Are you going to be out west this year? I too use ACDSee, but there is another free program that has received good press; Picasa. It can be downloaded from http://picasa.google.com/. It may or may not have all the functions you want or need, but might be worth a try. Terry Parsons i use a card reader and rename files as i transfer. No issue. s >I recently replaced my old laptop (knocked it off the table and broke > it) with a new one with Windows Vista. The bad news is that the Canon [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Don in Mid-Coast Maine |
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