My brother says there is no such thing, but I want to be able to use
our small Coleman catalytic heater, and a single burner Coleman
propane stove, but from a twenty pound propane tank instead of
*always* having to use the small bottles (which are sometimes quite
appropriate).
Is this flexibility possible, without going to a machine shop? Is it
illegal or dangerous? We are new to this.
Another idea..is it possible and practical to refill the small
disposable cylinders from our 20-pound tank?
Thanks for any help with this.
Barbara Lightner
Ralph Lindberg - 20 Jul 2004 17:22 GMT
> My brother says there is no such thing, but I want to be able to use
> our small Coleman catalytic heater, and a single burner Coleman
> propane stove, but from a twenty pound propane tank instead of
> *always* having to use the small bottles (which are sometimes quite
> appropriate).
Tell you brother he is wrong, you can buy a hose with adapter at almost
any RV store, infact some CAT heaters are sold with it
> Another idea..is it possible and practical to refill the small
> disposable cylinders from our 20-pound tank?
This is, infact, "illegal", in that it is a violation of Federal laws to
refill a single cylinder and transport it across state lines.

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Bob Giddings - 20 Jul 2004 17:56 GMT
>> My brother says there is no such thing, but I want to be able to use
>> our small Coleman catalytic heater, and a single burner Coleman
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> This is, infact, "illegal", in that it is a violation of Federal laws to
>refill a single cylinder and transport it across state lines.
Read just the way you wrote it, this has to be wrong, or else every
RVer that passes a state line is a felon. I suppose you meant just
the tiny cylinders??
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DSteiner51 - 20 Jul 2004 17:27 GMT
Barbara wrote:
<< My brother says there is no such thing, but I want to be able to use
our small Coleman catalytic heater, and a single burner Coleman
propane stove, but from a twenty pound propane tank instead of
*always* having to use the small bottles (which are sometimes quite
appropriate).
Is this flexibility possible, without going to a machine shop? Is it
illegal or dangerous? We are new to this.
Another idea..is it possible and practical to refill the small
disposable cylinders from our 20-pound tank?
Thanks for any help with this.
Barbara Lightner >>
Go to your local Walmart and buy an adaptor hose ready made. I did and use it
lots. Much nicer then the little cans that you can also buy there. When the
20 lb tank runs all just exchange it at most any Walmart, gas station, or
Lowes.
DSteiner
Alan Balmer - 20 Jul 2004 19:02 GMT
>Barbara wrote:
>
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>20 lb tank runs all just exchange it at most any Walmart, gas station, or
>Lowes.
Or save a bunch of money and have it refilled.

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Brent - 20 Jul 2004 20:28 GMT
> My brother says there is no such thing, but I want to be able to use
> our small Coleman catalytic heater, and a single burner Coleman
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>
> Barbara Lightner
Coleman make a propane tree that attaches to a 20# tank. It has three
connection points. The one the the top is great for the laterns that run on
the small bottles. The other you can hook hoses to and run what ever else
you need.
http://www.coleman.com/coleman/ColemanCom/subcategory.asp?CategoryID=5600
Barbara Lightner - 23 Jul 2004 01:01 GMT
Thank you everyone who responded, for your help. Not only did you
answer my question but I learned much more about hooking up propane
and refilling the bottles.
Barbara Lightner
bill horne - 20 Jul 2004 20:39 GMT
> Another idea..is it possible and practical to refill the small
> disposable cylinders from our 20-pound tank?
>
> Thanks for any help with this.
>
> Barbara Lightner
Possible? Yes. They make adaptors for that.
Practical? Depends on you. They're practical for me. To get the little
bottles full, you'll have to fill it as much as it will fill, and then
cool it down to fill it the rest of the way. It's possible to overfill
them, and I use a postal scale (0-5 lbs) to check it.
It's allegedly illegal to refill them, but if I'm pulled over, and they
demand to see my bottles, how're they gonna know whether I refilled them
or not? I refill them late at night when there're no black helicopters
overhead, so they're never going to catch me in the act.
Has anybody here Ever been subjected to a Disposable Propane Bottle
Inspection?

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Sandy A. Nicolaysen - 21 Jul 2004 01:35 GMT
>> Another idea..is it possible and practical to refill the small
>> disposable cylinders from our 20-pound tank?
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>Has anybody here Ever been subjected to a Disposable Propane Bottle
>Inspection?
A warning to others: Bill routinely removes the tags from his pillows
and mattress. He is clearly in violation of the law!
- Sandy (just joking)
bill horne - 21 Jul 2004 09:49 GMT
> A warning to others: Bill routinely removes the tags from his pillows
> and mattress. He is clearly in violation of the law!
>
> - Sandy (just joking)
Hey. I can count on my thumbs the number of pillow and mattress tags
I've removed. I've removed innumerable, uncountable, and vast numbers of
shirt/T-shirt collar labels, though.

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William Boyd - 21 Jul 2004 02:35 GMT
I bought one from Lowes Home Building Supply. But you have to remember a
lot of the bottle appliances require the support of the bottle. In
addition there are the thing about the new valves on the refillable
tanks, you might have to consider. I think all of the new valves have
been designed to accept the old fittings. I have a single burner stove
and a light that requires tank support, so I just cook before dark, or
use the little grill. But the tree is a must, gives you enough
flexibility and a hose for each item not on the tree. BILL
> My brother says there is no such thing, but I want to be able to use
> our small Coleman catalytic heater, and a single burner Coleman
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Barbara Lightner
SteveB - 21 Jul 2004 10:46 GMT
> My brother says there is no such thing, but I want to be able to use
> our small Coleman catalytic heater, and a single burner Coleman
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Barbara Lightner
I have both items, a whip and a refiller. Both are readily available. The
whip is a great idea for camping. However, I like to take the 11# tanks
instead of the larger 20 pounders. The refillers work, and don't believe
the hooey that they are illegal. You do have to take certain precautions,
but they work just fine.
There is no police agency that goes out and searches your car or campsite
for refilled bottles. What the prohibition means is that a commercial
carrier cannot transport the bottles once they have been refilled. Anyone
who tells you that you can be in trouble for transporting them for personal
use has been watching too much TV and movie rentals.
Steve
Neon John - 21 Jul 2004 18:09 GMT
>There is no police agency that goes out and searches your car or campsite
>for refilled bottles. What the prohibition means is that a commercial
>carrier cannot transport the bottles once they have been refilled. Anyone
>who tells you that you can be in trouble for transporting them for personal
>use has been watching too much TV and movie rentals.
Bingo! Finally, the correct answer. I actually looked up the law many years
ago. It was passed back in the days when the federalies still has some
nominal respect for states' rights and their constitutional limits of power.
The law governs ONLY interstate commerce, including commercial transportation,
of these disposable cylinders.
The statement on the side of the cylinder is a self-serving distortion of the
law, put there to discourage personal refilling. I'm sure that if the truth
be known, there would be Bernz-o-matic fingerprints all over that law.
John
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MTV - 21 Jul 2004 14:09 GMT
> My brother says there is no such thing, but I want to be able to use
> our small Coleman catalytic heater, and a single burner Coleman
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>
> Barbara Lightner
I see lots of responses, but no one mentioned this: Some appliances like
grills & lanterns have their own regulator and can be fed directly from
unregulated tanks. For these I use a portable 4 lb propane tank instead of
the 1 lb cans. Some don't, like my optional exterior range top that
connects directly to the trailers regulated propane supply.
I don't know if using the trailer's regulated feed to appliances that also
have regulators would work, or if it makes any difference.
Marv
Neon John - 21 Jul 2004 18:12 GMT
>I see lots of responses, but no one mentioned this: Some appliances like
>grills & lanterns have their own regulator and can be fed directly from
>unregulated tanks. For these I use a portable 4 lb propane tank instead of
>the 1 lb cans. Some don't, like my optional exterior range top that
>connects directly to the trailers regulated propane supply.
This brings up an interesting question. What do you folks who use those
little refillable tanks do for refilling? Do you go to the propane store and
pay the very high minimum fee? That would be very high priced propane.
Refill them yourself from a larger tank?
I have several of those tanks but I refill them from a wet leg on my 500
gallon propane tank.
John
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MTV - 21 Jul 2004 19:42 GMT
>>I see lots of responses, but no one mentioned this: Some appliances like
>>grills & lanterns have their own regulator and can be fed directly from
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> pay the very high minimum fee? That would be very high priced propane.
> Refill them yourself from a larger tank?
My last full tank refills were $9.75 for the 20 lb tank; $6.25 for the 4 lb
tank. That's not much different than buying the cans, but a LOT more
convenient knowing you're not going to run out in the middle of dinner. I
do carry an old 1 lb'er just in case. One can always easily weigh the tank
to know just how much is left. Mine seems to last a very long time.
Marv
> I have several of those tanks but I refill them from a wet leg on my 500
> gallon propane tank.
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> http://bellsouthpwp.net/j/o/johngd/
> Cleveland, Occupied TN
Alan Robinson - 22 Jul 2004 02:51 GMT
> This brings up an interesting question. What do you folks who use those
> little refillable tanks do for refilling? Do you go to the propane store and
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>
> John
I use one of these for my camper, since that's all there is room for
(without mounting a larger tank on the bumper). Just go down the street from
where I work to the propane distributor, they come out and fill it - metered
pump, no minimum - then I pay for how much it took. Their price -per gallon-
is about .05 higher than the tanks at service stations which are the other
choices, but since they don't have a minimum, I don't really mind. Since the
tank is so small, I tend to get an 'insurance' fill before I head out if I'm
not sure how full the tank is - the office lady and I place bets on whether
it'll be over or under a dollar <g>.
Alan