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Travel Forum / Travel Types / RV Travel / July 2004GW Bush opens 2nd front..against Americans
Bush got Mexican trucking on US highways regardless of the huge safety issues and now... The United States and Mexico have signed a declaration aimed at improving conditions for Mexicans working in the United States. Bush admin Labor Secretary Elaine Chao and Mexican Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez signed the accord Wednesday in Washington. The agreement bolsters the rights of Mexican workers in the United States to a safe workplace and fair wages. It also says U.S. and Mexican officials will make an effort to inform all Mexican workers of their rights. The U.S. Labor Department has said one of its priorities is to increase protections in low-wage industries that employ large numbers of Hispanic workers. ==================Next========= Released Tuesday from the Progressive Policy Institute, blasts the Bush administration for failing to support US workers. Offshore outsourcing, which refers to farming out tasks to lower-wage nations such as India or the Philippines, has become a hot-button issue over the past year or so. Defenders of the practice--including President Bush's top economic advisor--say it ultimately assists the U.S. economy. But critics say it costs U.S. workers jobs and threatens the country's long-term tech leadership. The exact scale of the trend remains unclear. The report accuses the Bush administration of having done little to address offshoring and in some cases of having made matters worse. It says the administration's economic policy "consists primarily of cutting taxes, particularly for the wealthy," even as it has tried to cut funding for the International Labor Organization's efforts to raise labor standards. In addition, it criticizes the administration for denying laid-off service workers Trade Adjustment Assistance benefits. The institute's report also blames the administration for "flaccid attempts to prevent other nations from manipulating currencies and stealing U.S. intellectual property." The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment. === US enemies around the world must sit back and look at this admin and think...they do all the work for us,let's make sure Bush is reelected! > Bush got Mexican trucking on US highways regardless of the huge safety > issues and now... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > increase protections in low-wage industries that employ large numbers > of Hispanic workers. Bravo! Everyone working in the US should have a safe working environment. Even lawmakr. > ==================Next========= > Released Tuesday from the Progressive Policy Institute, blasts the [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > US enemies around the world must sit back and look at this admin and > think...they do all the work for us,let's make sure Bush is reelected! All enemies of democracy around the world and within the US are certainly hoping for that. This one small step in the right direction shouldn't be enough to convince anyone who cherishes freedom that Bush deserves another four years. --Jeff  SignatureAmericans will always do the right thing - after they have exhausted every other possibility. --Winston Churchill Loyalty to the country always, loyalty to the government when it deserves it. --Mark Twain I was against gay marriage until I found out I didn't have to have one. --James Carville Rain on a tin roof sounds like a drum. We're marching for freedom today-ay! So turn on your headlights and sound your horn, if people get in the way. --Neil Innes "Jeffrey Turner" <jturner@localnet.com> wrote in message > Bravo! Everyone working in the US should have a safe working > environment. Even lawmakr. Now if only we could get India to extend us the same so that we could get some of those jobs back we were trained for! That would beet working retail by $5/hour at least! >>Bravo! Everyone working in the US should have a safe working >>environment. Even lawmakr. > > Now if only we could get India to extend us the same so that we could get > some of those jobs back we were trained for! That would beet working retail > by $5/hour at least! Yeah, the free-trade philosophy sucks. So does the anti-union bent of the last several administrations. The race to impoverish ourselves. If you only think of everyone as "consumers" who just magically have money to consume with then you get these crazy policies. Issue: Trade * We reject trade agreements negotiated in secret and unduly influenced by corporate representatives. * We oppose the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT), and its progeny, the World Trade Organization (WTO). * We demand that these agreements be updated to include more specific environmental, worker, health and safety standards in the text itself, not as "side agreements." * We reject any agreement which threatens the authority of states and local communities to establish more stringent standards. * The Green Party urges a Tobin tax, a small tax on cross border currency transactions ($1.8 trillion daily). * It would cool the dangerous speculative fever and raise up to $250 billion annually, which could be devoted to world poverty, international peacekeeping, and environmental problems. http://www.gp.org/issues/index.html --Jeff SignatureAmericans will always do the right thing - after they have exhausted every other possibility. --Winston Churchill Loyalty to the country always, loyalty to the government when it deserves it. --Mark Twain I was against gay marriage until I found out I didn't have to have one. --James Carville Rain on a tin roof sounds like a drum. We're marching for freedom today-ay! So turn on your headlights and sound your horn, if people get in the way. --Neil Innes "Jeffrey Turner" <jturner@localnet.com> wrote in message > > Now if only we could get India to extend us the same so that we could get > > some of those jobs back we were trained for! That would beet working retail > > by $5/hour at least! > > Yeah, the free-trade philosophy sucks. Well, it wasn't really a fair-trade for those that lost thier jobs here! I was just wondering what India's immigration policies were so I forward them to Bush! He's gonna need a Job! Seems to me that the fair trade agreements worked well for large corps though! Bush should go run a company over there! > "Jeffrey Turner" <jturner@localnet.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Seems to me that the fair trade agreements worked well for large corps > though! Bush should go run a company over there! Question: How come you blame Bush for jobs going overseas? Honeywell had jobs going to India in the mid-nineties (wasn't that under Clinton?). Visa for foreign engineers has been a hot topic since the early nineties. All these tax brakes for going over seas happened way before Bush was elected. NAFTA happened under Clinton (and Kerry). Mike Neely > Question: How come you blame Bush for jobs going overseas? Honeywell had > jobs going to India in the mid-nineties (wasn't that under Clinton?). Visa > for foreign engineers has been a hot topic since the early nineties. All > these tax brakes for going over seas happened way before Bush was elected. > NAFTA happened under Clinton (and Kerry). Companies were only dabbling in off-shoring in the 90's. It wasn't until Bosh took office that it went into high gear. Businesses knew that Bosh has no compassion for the common person and has no concern about the US economy, so they knew that Bosh would not do anything about the problem. Off-shoring has proven to be far more expensive than what folks throught, and it is far less efficient than expected, so we will see this fad start to dimish in the next few years. -john- Signature==================================================================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 john@johnweeks.com Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ==================================================================== > Companies were only dabbling in off-shoring in the 90's. It wasn't > until Bosh took office that it went into high gear. Businesses knew [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > than what folks throught, and it is far less efficient than expected, > so we will see this fad start to dimish in the next few years. So how many corporations have hired you as policy advisor, John? Any? LZ > > Companies were only dabbling in off-shoring in the 90's. It wasn't > > until Bosh took office that it went into high gear. Businesses knew [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > So how many corporations have hired you as policy advisor, John? Over 150. You can go to my web site to see the list. -john- Signature==================================================================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 john@johnweeks.com Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ==================================================================== >> So how many corporations have hired you as policy advisor, John? > >Over 150. You can go to my web site to see the list. > >-john- Hiring you as a policy adviser is much like hiring Bill Clinton to advise regarding sexual harrasment. Lon > >> So how many corporations have hired you as policy advisor, John? > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Hiring you as a policy adviser is much like hiring Bill Clinton to advise > regarding sexual harrasment. Looks to me like he doesn't remain in one place very long. Job hoppers are not a good thing, in my opinion. > > >> So how many corporations have hired you as policy advisor, John? > > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Looks to me like he doesn't remain in one place very long. > Job hoppers are not a good thing, in my opinion. The term you are looking for is "consultant". Once you fix the problem at hand, your mission is over, so you move on to the next problem. -john- Signature==================================================================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 john@johnweeks.com Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ==================================================================== > The term you are looking for is "consultant". Once you fix > the problem at hand, your mission is over, so you move on to > the next problem. I have a challenging job that has kept me busy as an electronics engineer, programmer and repair technician. I haven't felt the need to job hop because the technology that I deal with is undergoing frequent changes and the hardware/software test systems are in constant need of modifications and upgrades. Sometimes it has felt like an entirely new job because of major technology shifts. I would change jobs if there wasn't a new challenge occurring fairly often. I have considered the possibility of consulting work, but it just doesn't appeal to me much. I have done some consulting work, but this has always been in addition to my full time job. This has usually come about because someone else got into a project that was more than they knew how to complete on their own and they needed a little help. > I have considered the possibility of consulting work, but > it just doesn't appeal to me much. I have done some [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > knew how to complete on their own and they needed > a little help. I don't get it Mark. In your previous posting, you made me out to be some type of ogre for wanting to help other people, and now you admit that you do the same thing. To be honest, I think that anyone who has been on the job for more than about a year is dead wood to a company. That is why companies always go to the outside when they need innovative new ideas, or when they need to shake up the status quo with fresh talent. -john- Signature==================================================================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 john@johnweeks.com Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ==================================================================== > To be honest, I think that anyone who has been on the job > for more than about a year is dead wood to a company. That > is why companies always go to the outside when they need > innovative new ideas, or when they need to shake up the > status quo with fresh talent. You wouldn't last a minute in my job. It takes several years to learn the technology and even longer to be considered an expert. Just learning how to properly perform basic system inspections can take 6 months or more. I could earn a Bachelor's degree in less time than it would take to learn my job. I know, because I earned mine in 3 years. I won't go into specifics about the type of work I do, but it isn't the type of job that could be performed by a consultant. There are many technology jobs that don't require this level of training and experience and these are the ones that benefit the most from consultants. Lack of specialized training can often lead to very expensive and time consuming repairs that require someone with lots of experience to correct the mistakes that were made. I have seen this on numerous occasions. Your comment about anyone with more than one year on the job with a company being deadwood is complete and utter nonsense. I have had to teach some of this fresh talent how to perform their jobs because they quickly got in over their heads. Some of them left after a short while when they saw just how complex the job is and how many years they would be in training mode. They left to take the type of jobs that are attractive to consultants. This isn't meant to disparage your technical skill, but rather to point out that some jobs can't be performed well by consultants due to the long training period. This type of work wouldn't be what a consultant would be interested in anyway because of the very long commitment required. > This isn't meant to disparage your technical skill, but > rather to point out that some jobs can't be performed > well by consultants due to the long training period. > This type of work wouldn't be what a consultant would > be interested in anyway because of the very long > commitment required. You don't hire consultants to "do a job". You hire them to solve a problem or contribute an idea. Hired help is there do the day to day stuff, assuming it cannot be sent overseas to be done by someone earning 9 cents an hour. A consultant can only stay on the leading edge and be fresh and innovative if they get around and see a lot of different operations. A person who is stuck somewhere for a year or more is useless as a consultant since all they will know how to do is what the one company does. -john- Signature==================================================================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 john@johnweeks.com Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ==================================================================== > You don't hire consultants to "do a job". You hire them > to solve a problem or contribute an idea. Hired help is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > they will know how to do is what the one company does. > Your experience is way too limited to make those statements and only reveal your ignorance of the workplace. Our #2 son works for a foreign owned company in the Twin Cities. Why hasn't that company relocated to a place where they pay 9 cents an hour? Instead the company is expanding its operations in the U.S. and has labs all over the country. (Does Bush ever get credit for IMPORTING jobs?) He works with every new electronic product that hits the market, from pacemakers to Cray computers. He got his knowledge from practical experience, not schooling. People with more advanced degrees work under his supervision. His value to his company is because he is an innovative thinker and a problem solver. LZ The terminally stupid "John A. Weeks III" <john@johnweeks.com> is quoted as having writ: >> To be honest, I think that anyone who has been on the job >> for more than about a year is dead wood to a company. That >> is why companies always go to the outside when they need >> innovative new ideas, or when they need to shake up the >> status quo with fresh talent. For quite a few years I was responsible for hiring and supervising job shoppers (yer spell checker won't notice if you write job hoppers) for our engineering department. While a few were so good at their work we tried to figure out ways to keep them on for long periods, anybody with an attitude like this arrogant John Weeks idiot would either not get hired at all or would last about a week. I can't imagine what kind of "work" would be done where Weeks' POV would make any sense, but it certainly would NOT be anything requiring a functioning brain and relevant experience. I've also done considerable consulting work, because my area of expertise was a specialty many firms had not developed internally (compliance with OSHA requirements). But it never occurred to me to treat experienced members of the client's engineering and management staff as "dead wood" simply because they needed help dealing with intrusive, nit-picking Federal meddlers. John Weeks is not completely useless - he's an example of what happens when a person with a sick mind is allowed access to a computer and an internet connection. Will Sill >John Weeks is not completely useless - he's an example of what happens >when a person with a sick mind is allowed access to a computer and an >internet connection. > >Will Sill Perhaps you should say he is "another" example. You have the #1 spot locked up. >I've also done considerable consulting work, because my area of >expertise was a specialty many firms had not developed internally >(compliance with OSHA requirements). Small world. My sister is an OSHA compliance consultant in Miami. She's also active in the Association of Occupational Health Nurses. SignatureAl Balmer Balmer Consulting removebalmerconsultingthis@att.net > The terminally stupid "John A. Weeks III" <john@johnweeks.com> is > quoted as having writ: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>>innovative new ideas, or when they need to shake up the >>>status quo with fresh talent. > John Weeks is not completely useless - he's an example of what happens > when a person with a sick mind is allowed access to a computer and an > internet connection. > > Will Sill Might explain why Mr. Weeks in UN-employed. Nothing quite like trying to get the job done when you're terminally surrounded by FNG's. > > The terminally stupid "John A. Weeks III" <john@johnweeks.com> is > > quoted as having writ: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Might explain why Mr. Weeks in UN-employed. Where did you get that idea? -john- Signature==================================================================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 john@johnweeks.com Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ==================================================================== > > Might explain why Mr. Weeks in UN-employed. > > Where did you get that idea? http://www.visi.com/~jweeks/career/index.html "Current status: Available now." I would read this as your being unemployed at this time. > > > Might explain why Mr. Weeks in UN-employed. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I would read this as your being unemployed at this time. That means that I am accepting new customers. I work using the concept of a "pipeline". If I want my company to be busy 4 to 6 months done the line, I need to be doing the marketing and sales today to make that happen. That goes double given the dire economic condition that our country is in at the moment. -john- Signature==================================================================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 john@johnweeks.com Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ==================================================================== > > > > Might explain why Mr. Weeks in UN-employed. > > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > the dire economic condition that our country is in at the > moment. I would change the wording to be a little more obvious as to what this means. >> > > Might explain why Mr. Weeks in UN-employed. >> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >4 to 6 months done the line, I need to be doing the marketing >and sales today to make that happen. That's true (in fact, most consultants spend far more time than they would like doing marketing and sales.) However, I would suggest something along the line of "Accepting new clients." SignatureAl Balmer Balmer Consulting removebalmerconsultingthis@att.net > >> "Current status: Available now." > >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > would like doing marketing and sales.) However, I would suggest > something along the line of "Accepting new clients." That is an excellent suggestion. My target audiance is project brokers and independent sales people, not end customers, so I wasn't overly concered in the past. Today, every little thing counts. -john- Signature==================================================================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 john@johnweeks.com Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ==================================================================== > This isn't meant to disparage your technical skill, but > rather to point out that some jobs can't be performed > well by consultants due to the long training period. > This type of work wouldn't be what a consultant would > be interested in anyway because of the very long > commitment required. I predict Mr. Weeks won't be in consulting too long before he will be forced to move to greener pastures. The Twin Cities is a limited market and the word spreads rapidly. Our #2 son is in a technical field and I'll have him do some checking on Mr. Weeks. LZ > > This isn't meant to disparage your technical skill, but > > rather to point out that some jobs can't be performed [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > have him do some checking on Mr. Weeks. > LZ If you want him to do some checking, how about having him get some first hand info. If he is in Eagan, that is only about 8 miles away. My phone number is in my dot-sig. -john- Signature==================================================================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 john@johnweeks.com Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ==================================================================== > If you want him to do some checking, how about having him get some > first hand info. If he is in Eagan, that is only about 8 miles > away. My phone number is in my dot-sig. I'd rather he got an unbiased opinion. LZ > > If you want him to do some checking, how about having him get some > > first hand info. If he is in Eagan, that is only about 8 miles > > away. My phone number is in my dot-sig. > > I'd rather he got an unbiased opinion. > LZ Of course, we know that you are always careful to only solicit unbiased opinions..........kinda like Bush. John A. Weeks III > Over 150. You can go to my web site to see the list. How long did it take for them to find out how stupid you were? LZ >> Question: How come you blame Bush for jobs going overseas? Honeywell had >> jobs going to India in the mid-nineties (wasn't that under Clinton?). Visa [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Companies were only dabbling in off-shoring in the 90's. It wasn't >until Bosh took office that it went into high gear. That's nonsense. I don't know where you were during the nineties, but if it was in the US, you weren't paying attention. There was no significant increase in the rate of change after Bush took office. Can't you find something legitimate to accuse Bush of? Truth is sometimes even better than fiction. SignatureAl Balmer Balmer Consulting removebalmerconsultingthis@att.net >>> Question: How come you blame Bush for jobs going overseas? Honeywell had >>> jobs going to India in the mid-nineties (wasn't that under Clinton?). Visa [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >There was no significant increase in the rate of change after Bush >took office. I would agree with you overall but I do think it has picked up just a bit over the last year. I don't particularly think Bush has anything to do with it though. I think it has to do more with that this is an election year and they are probably pretty sure that if the Dems get elected that they will put the brakes on the offshoring as much as they can. >Can't you find something legitimate to accuse Bush of? Truth is >sometimes even better than fiction. Signature"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ~~Theodore Roosevelt >I would agree with you overall but I do think it has picked up just a >bit over the last year. I don't particularly think Bush has anything >to do with it though. I think it has to do more with that this is an >election year and they are probably pretty sure that if the Dems get >elected that they will put the brakes on the offshoring as much as >they can. You flaming idiot. Clinton led the charge to NAFTA. What makes you think the Dems will put the brakes on it? Lon >>I would agree with you overall but I do think it has picked up just a >>bit over the last year. I don't particularly think Bush has anything [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Lon I never said they would definitely you SOB. You really do have a problem with reading comprehension. You should get you a.s back to school so you can learn how to read properly. \ I said that they may THINK that the Dems may stop it. Guess what a.shole. Clinton did sign that fuckin' NAFTA but it was and is a Republican bill. But hell, any person with a brain, this would leave you out apparently, knows that our GOVERNMENT is going out of their way to make our country into a third world country, or damn close to it. Our GOVERNMENT want open borders...complete open borders and they are doing their best at getting rid of the middle class, and doing a fine job of it. Before you reply...please take a remedial reading class so you can understand what you read!!!! Signature"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ~~Theodore Roosevelt > I never said they would definitely you SOB. Yeah Lon, you SOB! <g> Haven't you had enough of the psychotic Sybil? Quite a peach, isn't she? BD >Yeah Lon, you SOB! ><g> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >BD I get a kick out of seeing her lose control. <g> Lon >>Yeah Lon, you SOB! >><g> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Lon And I love seeing you make a fool out of yourself with your ridiculous posts that are tripe. Signature"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ~~Theodore Roosevelt >Subject: Re: GW Bush opens 2nd front..against Americans >From: Maniack maniack@hotmail.com [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >And I love seeing you make a fool out of yourself with your ridiculous >posts that are tripe. It behooves every man to remember that the work of the critic, is of altogether secondary importance, and that, in the end, progress is accomplished by the man who does things. ~~Theodore Roosevelt > But hell, any person with a brain, this would leave >you out apparently, knows that our GOVERNMENT is going out of their >way to make our country into a third world country, or damn close to >it. Our GOVERNMENT want open borders...complete open borders and they >are doing their best at getting rid of the middle class, and doing a >fine job of it. Are you the real author of the "Black SUV" story in another thread? SignatureAl Balmer Balmer Consulting removebalmerconsultingthis@att.net >> But hell, any person with a brain, this would leave >>you out apparently, knows that our GOVERNMENT is going out of their [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Are you the real author of the "Black SUV" story in another thread? you are sad indeed. Signature"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ~~Theodore Roosevelt >>> But hell, any person with a brain, this would leave >>>you out apparently, knows that our GOVERNMENT is going out of their [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >you are sad indeed. Not at all. In fact, you keep me laughing. SignatureAl Balmer Balmer Consulting removebalmerconsultingthis@att.net >>>> But hell, any person with a brain, this would leave >>>>you out apparently, knows that our GOVERNMENT is going out of their [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Not at all. In fact, you keep me laughing. Good, because you keep me laughing. We are good for each other then. Signature"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ~~Theodore Roosevelt >> "Jeffrey Turner" <jturner@localnet.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >Mike Neely I blame the government for allowing it. It matters not who the President is because they all work for the rich in this country and really never cared about the average American. -- "All these people talk so eloquently about getting back to good old-fashioned values. Well, as an old poop I can remember back to when we had those old-fashioned values, and I say let's get back to the good old-fashioned First Amendment of the good old-fashioned Constitution of the United States -- and to hell with the censors! Give me knowledge or give me death!" ~~Kurt Vonnegut, author >>Question: How come you blame Bush for jobs going overseas? Honeywell had >>jobs going to India in the mid-nineties (wasn't that under Clinton?). Visa [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >I blame the government for allowing it. And what would you be saying if the government disallowed it? The government has very limited control over what businesses do, who they hire, and where they get products from. That's a good thing. SignatureAl Balmer Balmer Consulting removebalmerconsultingthis@att.net >>>Question: How come you blame Bush for jobs going overseas? Honeywell had >>>jobs going to India in the mid-nineties (wasn't that under Clinton?). Visa [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >The government has very limited control over what businesses do, who >they hire, and where they get products from. That's a good thing. But they have the power to tell them that people can't smoke inside of their building that is privately owned and operated! Yeah right. That tells me that the government has had and still has way too much control when it comes to private property and businesses. Signature"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ~~Theodore Roosevelt >>>>Question: How come you blame Bush for jobs going overseas? Honeywell had >>>>jobs going to India in the mid-nineties (wasn't that under Clinton?). Visa [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >But they have the power to tell them that people can't smoke inside of >their building that is privately owned and operated! Not the Federal Government. Blame your local governments for that - I really don't think Bush can do much about it. Maybe if he smoked cigars, you could pique his interest ;-) > Yeah right. That >tells me that the government has had and still has way too much >control when it comes to private property and businesses. But you have to be protected against yourself! And of course, you might be shanghaied and forced to work in second-hand smoke. OTOH, I suppose people running slavery rings wouldn't pay much attention to the law anyway. SignatureAl Balmer Balmer Consulting removebalmerconsultingthis@att.net >>>>>Question: How come you blame Bush for jobs going overseas? Honeywell had >>>>>jobs going to India in the mid-nineties (wasn't that under Clinton?). Visa [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >really don't think Bush can do much about it. Maybe if he smoked >cigars, you could pique his interest ;-) Only if I was a millionaire I am sure. >> Yeah right. That >>tells me that the government has had and still has way too much [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >suppose people running slavery rings wouldn't pay much attention to >the law anyway. That is what I mean. The people who think they need to be protected against themselves should be made to live in one state all by their lonesomes and let them only enact the silly laws they do onto themselves. Signature"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ~~Theodore Roosevelt >>But you have to be protected against yourself! And of course, you >>might be shanghaied and forced to work in second-hand smoke. OTOH, I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >lonesomes and let them only enact the silly laws they do onto >themselves. Yup. I nominate California, they have a head start anyway. SignatureAl Balmer Balmer Consulting removebalmerconsultingthis@att.net >>>But you have to be protected against yourself! And of course, you >>>might be shanghaied and forced to work in second-hand smoke. OTOH, I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Yup. I nominate California, they have a head start anyway. Me too. Signature"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ~~Theodore Roosevelt > But they have the power to tell them that people can't smoke inside of > their building that is privately owned and operated! Yeah right. That > tells me that the government has had and still has way too much > control when it comes to private property and businesses. Where I work, we had already started restricting smoking and were considering a smoking ban when our local government ban smoking in office buildings. We were seeing a serious problem with being able to hire people because smoking was allowed in the work areas. I was on the verge of quitting myself because of the amount of smoke in the air. Air scrubbers aren't enough when you sit right next to someone who is smoking. > All >these tax brakes for going over seas happened way before Bush was elected. Before Bush was elected, we had tax accelerators. It was Bush who put the brakes on. SignatureAl Balmer Balmer Consulting removebalmerconsultingthis@att.net > Now if only we could get India to extend us the same so that we could get > some of those jobs back we were trained for! That would beet working retail > by $5/hour at least! Went by a McDonald's yesterday. Big sign said they were hiring for ALL shifts. How can you remain unemployed? LZ > > Now if only we could get India to extend us the same so that we could get > > some of those jobs back we were trained for! That would beet working retail [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > shifts. How can you remain unemployed? > LZ Here in Minnesota, Unemployment Compensation pays $12 per hour. It would be pretty stupid to go to work for $5 per hour and end up spending your time losing $7 per hour. I have nothing against McDonalds, but it is not a good option when you have to pay to work there. -john- Signature==================================================================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 john@johnweeks.com Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ==================================================================== > Here in Minnesota, Unemployment Compensation pays $12 per hour. It > would be pretty stupid to go to work for $5 per hour and end up [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -john- And there ladies and gentlemen, you have the simple reason there will ALWAYS be a certain number of "unemployed". Unemployment pays better than the job he's qualified for. Thanks, Wimpy. LZ > > Here in Minnesota, Unemployment Compensation pays $12 per hour. It > > would be pretty stupid to go to work for $5 per hour and end up [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > ALWAYS be a certain number of "unemployed". > LZ I think you missed the point. Jobs that do not pay a living wage simply are not an option for the typical person with a wife, kids, dog, cat, and house. Bosh has moved whole industries over to China and India and is turning much of middle America into a 3-rd world country. 4 more years of Bosh (the Iraqie spelling) and the US will be just like Mexico. -john- Signature==================================================================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 john@johnweeks.com Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ==================================================================== > I think you missed the point. Jobs that do not pay a living > wage simply are not an option for the typical person with a > wife, kids, dog, cat, and house. That is why so many illegal aliens are coming in, prospering and sending billions back to there mother country, right? Bosh has moved whole industries > over to China and India and is turning much of middle America > into a 3-rd world country. He's one busy guy all right. Did he do this himself or did he call Mayflower Moving Van Co.? 4 more years of Bosh (the Iraqie > spelling) and the US will be just like Mexico. Along our borders it was pretty fuzzy long before Bush got in office. I'm sure it's his fault though, along with the carbuncles on your butt. LZ >Here in Minnesota, Unemployment Compensation pays $12 per hour. It >would be pretty stupid to go to work for $5 per hour and end up [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >-john- There you have it, folks. The reason why so many remain unemployed. They are afraid of EARNING a living when it pays so well to sit on your a.s and do nothing. Lon >>Here in Minnesota, Unemployment Compensation pays $12 per hour. It >>would be pretty stupid to go to work for $5 per hour and end up [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Lon That is one of the few states that pays half way decent for unemployment. Most states pay nothing worthwhile so you need to come up with a different lie and excuse Lon. -- "All these people talk so eloquently about getting back to good old-fashioned values. Well, as an old poop I can remember back to when we had those old-fashioned values, and I say let's get back to the good old-fashioned First Amendment of the good old-fashioned Constitution of the United States -- and to hell with the censors! Give me knowledge or give me death!" ~~Kurt Vonnegut, author >That is one of the few states that pays half way decent for >unemployment. Most states pay nothing worthwhile so you need to come >up with a different lie and excuse Lon. >-- Has anyone ever told you that you post under the appropriate name? Lon >>That is one of the few states that pays half way decent for >>unemployment. Most states pay nothing worthwhile so you need to come [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Lon You really don't like people who tell you the truth do you? You would much rather be allowed to tell people the lies that you learned from your idiotic radio and internet sites for your talking points. -- "All these people talk so eloquently about getting back to good old-fashioned values. Well, as an old poop I can remember back to when we had those old-fashioned values, and I say let's get back to the good old-fashioned First Amendment of the good old-fashioned Constitution of the United States -- and to hell with the censors! Give me knowledge or give me death!" ~~Kurt Vonnegut, author Maniacal idiot wrote: > You would >much rather be allowed to tell people the lies that you learned from >your idiotic radio and internet sites for your talking points. Which "talking points" are those? Lon I see where Maniack <maniack@hotmail.com> once again showed why she chooses that pen name. Someone wrote: >>>Here in Minnesota, Unemployment Compensation pays $12 per hour. It >>>would be pretty stupid to go to work for $5 per hour and end up >>>spending your time losing $7 per hour. I have nothing against >>>McDonalds, but it is not a good option when you have to pay to >>>work there. Lon remarked - correctly: >>There you have it, folks. The reason why so many remain unemployed. They are >>afraid of EARNING a living when it pays so well to sit on your a.s and do >>nothing. Flaming idjit Maniack chimes in with: >That is one of the few states that pays half way decent for >unemployment. Most states pay nothing worthwhile so you need to come >up with a different lie and excuse Lon. You must have gone to the Communist school of non-thought, Maniack! Have you ever considered the fact that a society that pays people to do nothing will quickly go bankrupt? Will Sill > I see where Maniack <maniack@hotmail.com> once again showed why she > chooses that pen name. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Have you ever considered the fact that a society that pays people to > do nothing will quickly go bankrupt? You must have gone to the NAZI school of non-thought. Have you ever considered the fact that a society that doesn't care for its people's well being will quickly be overthrown? Look what happend to the British in this country 200 years ago. There are always going to be ups and downs in the economy. We had a big up under President Clinton. We had a moderate down under Bosh 41, and now we have a very severe down under Bosh 43. Some people are going to escape the problems unscathed, others are going to end up in the worst case scenario due to no fault of their own. Why should people lose thier homes and families due to random bad luck just because of a temporary glitch in the economy? What is so wrong with helping these folks by smoothing out these glitches? Anyone who does not have a little compassion for people caught up in these situations have no business at all being in a position of power, or even being allowed to vote. -john- Signature==================================================================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 john@johnweeks.com Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ==================================================================== > You must have gone to the NAZI school of non-thought. Have you ever > considered the fact that a society that doesn't care for its people's [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > caught up in these situations have no business at all being in a > position of power, or even being allowed to vote. Spoken like a True Socialist. The ONLY purpose for Unemployment Insurance [its proper title] is to provide short-term protection against starvation while the recipient looks for a new job. This program is, partially, funded by a specific tax upon employers. Welfare - the labor equivalent of the "Soil Bank" program - is a totally different issue: it simply pays people to NOT work. This program, in many states, is the politicians' way of buying votes with Taxpayers' money. There have been numerous attempts to "clear" the Welfare rolls: job training programs, Public Works programs, enactment of time limits, etc., but, for those who have been on Welfare for generations, it's more profitable to collect Welfare than it is to work. After all, workers pay taxes that go to those on Welfare! Once upon a time there was a large market for unskilled labor that, due to economic conditions, dried up and caused massive unemployment of the unskilled laborers. That was 70 years ago. Today, there is a large market for unskilled labor that, due to the overpayment of non-working unskilled citizens to NOT work, is being filled by non-citizens who have taken great risks to enter this country illegally so that they can make these high-to-them salaries. Nearly 40 years ago there was an attempt, in California, to address this issue by requiring applicants for Unemployment payments to harvest produce in order to be paid. (Unemployment paid better than crop picking even then and there.) Several groups were sent out but not a single individual lasted till Noon of the first day. Each, when questioned, said that they'd rather receive NOTHING than to perform manual labor. For verification, check the archives of any major news outlet that obtained stories from AP or UPI: the story made headlines nation-wide. BTW, The American Revolution was started, and funded, by the large landowners, successful businessmen, etc., BECAUSE of exorbitant taxation by the government. You must have slept through American History class. RAM wrote the following wisdom: >Spoken like a True Socialist. > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > >You must have slept through American History class. Great post, Ram. Lon > Nearly 40 years ago there was an attempt, in California, to address this > issue by requiring applicants for Unemployment payments to harvest produce > in order to be paid. (Unemployment paid better than crop picking even then > and there.) Several groups were sent out but not a single individual lasted > till Noon of the first day. Each, when questioned, said that they'd rather > receive NOTHING than to perform manual labor. A company I used to work for did this experiment in the early 70's. Our electronics dept got a bunch because they thought it would be all sit down labor. We even paid for evening classes to learn the rudiments of electricity so the welfare types would be eligible for early promotions. None lasted a week. ALL labor was considered exploitive and they called our department "the salt mines". "Slave labor" was anything that required actual effort. Yet we had some elderly ladies who drove 50 miles one-way through all kinds of weather to support themselves and disabled relatives. The entire difference was whether they had been raised WITH a work ethic or without one. LZ > None lasted a week. ALL labor was considered exploitive and they called > our department "the salt mines". "Slave labor" was anything that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > raised WITH a work ethic or without one. > LZ If the job didn't pay enough to make it attractive, then it didn't deserve to be filled. And a "work ethic" doesn't make any of those little old ladies less stupid for driving 100 miles for sub-par pay. -john- Signature==================================================================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 john@johnweeks.com Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ==================================================================== > If the job didn't pay enough to make it attractive, then it didn't > deserve to be filled. Which is why we are swamped with illegal aliens who think the pay is generous. And a "work ethic" doesn't make any of those > little old ladies less stupid for driving 100 miles for sub-par pay. Unlike you, they had pride in earning their way in life. You sound like a guy who would take a job drowning puppies, as long as it paid well. LZ > > If the job didn't pay enough to make it attractive, then it didn't > > deserve to be filled. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > a guy who would take a job drowning puppies, as long as it paid well. > LZ The only person in the world who could have said something like that must have had personal experience doing so. Do you still drown puppies today? How long since you killed your last puppies? -john- Signature==================================================================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 john@johnweeks.com Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ==================================================================== >>>If the job didn't pay enough to make it attractive, then it didn't >>>deserve to be filled. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > that must have had personal experience doing so. Do you still > drown puppies today? How long since you killed your last puppies? Your own statement came back to bite you in the a.s, didn't it? You made the pay scale the justification for what kind of work was suitable to you. We've got you smoked out, Mr. Consultant. LZ > >>Unlike you, they had pride in earning their way in life. You sound like > >>a guy who would take a job drowning puppies, as long as it paid well. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > You made the pay scale the justification for what kind of work was > suitable to you. ???? Of course pay scale is significant. All humans are economic beings. We all make decisions based on money and economic value. In my case, I place a value on my free time. If work does not provide more pay than what I value my free time at, then work is going to lose out every time. Time is the only item that I have that cannot be replaced once it is spent, so yes, I am going to be damned greedy with it. -john- Signature==================================================================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 john@johnweeks.com Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ==================================================================== > ???? Of course pay scale is significant. All humans are economic > beings. We all make decisions based on money and economic value. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that cannot be replaced once it is spent, so yes, I am going to > be damned greedy with it. Many people enjoy their work. For you to call them stupid because they chose work over welfare shows your lack of a moral standard. LZ > > ???? Of course pay scale is significant. All humans are economic > > beings. We all make decisions based on money and economic value. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > chose work over welfare shows your lack of a moral standard. > LZ Coming from a guy who spent a great part of his life on welfare in the Air Force. You're a joke, and not even a good one. > > > ???? Of course pay scale is significant. All humans are economic > > > beings. We all make decisions based on money and economic value. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Coming from a guy who spent a great part of his life on welfare in the > Air Force. You're a joke, and not even a good one. This type of comment should be beneath even you. I guess you will stoop even this low. Can you go even lower? > Coming from a guy who spent a great part of his life on welfare in the > Air Force. You're a joke, and not even a good one. You never put in as many hours per week as I did. If welfare is working a 60-70 hour week why do they need recruiters? LZ > Coming from a guy who spent a great part of his life on welfare in the > Air Force. There's a little insight into tyrones personality. In his little world I guess everyone is on welfare. Obviously he feels the military troops are getting a free ride. > There's a little insight into tyrones personality. In his little world > I guess everyone is on welfare. Obviously he feels the military troops > are getting a free ride. I'd pay a considerable sum if I could only get critics like Tyrone to spend a winter night arming old bombs for 12 hours straight. I notice that most liberals have this condescending attitude toward the military. Speaks volumes about their commitment to our country. LZ > > There's a little insight into tyrones personality. In his little world > > I guess everyone is on welfare. Obviously he feels the military troops [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I notice that most liberals have this condescending attitude toward the > military. Speaks volumes about their commitment to our country. I consulted with a defense contractor regarding bomb disposal procedures and can tell you that I would not want anything to do with this type of work. I gave him some ideas for remote detonation of the explosive charges used to set off old bombs and land mines, but I don't know what he ever came up with for a final solution. He was looking for a way to detonate from 1/2 to 1 mile away without using any kind of radio transmitter. It would have been interesting to see what was finally done, as long as I could view the explosion from a long distance. > I consulted with a defense contractor regarding bomb disposal > procedures and can tell you that I would not want anything to > do with this type of work. > It would have been interesting to see what was finally done, > as long as I could view the explosion from a long distance. The bombs we used in Korea were up to 10 years old and had been sitting in bomb dumps on various Pacific islands rusting away. TNT and "Composition B" get very unstable with age. Accidents were fairly common as the bands that held clusters together often failed. Sometimes they exploded, sometimes not. We lost a number of aircraft at K-8 when an M1A1 cluster fell apart and exploded. Blew the legs off the armorer and set some B-26s on fire. Their .50 calibers cooking off ignited some F-84s parked opposite and some 500 pounders rained pieces down up to a half mile away. Burned a lot of holes through our tent which was right by the flight line. Would have wiped out a lot more aircraft and maybe the entire flight line except a colonel and a MSgt jumped in B-26s on each side of those on fire and taxied them away, breaking the chain. I think the 13thbombsquadron.org web site has a story on this. Sometimes these clusters fell apart in the bomb bays during turbulence or violent maneuvers. I took care of more than one such incident, others may have blown up, no one knows. One night the loaders who hauled bombs on flatbeds from the Harbor in Kunsan, had one blow up. Nothing left of the truck or the people but small pieces since the 500 pounder started "sympathetic" explosions which set off ALL the nearby bombs. Bomb dump duties went to armament people but it was also used for punishment. Anyone who had a write up on his equipment malfunctioning or shooting holes in his own airplane through negligence could count on 2 weeks in the bomb dump. Miserable work that went on 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Every squadron had their own dumps in addition to the main dump which covered several acres. Only the EOD people drew extra pay. I think it was the same as our flight pay. Nerves of steel were required. LZ > > >>Unlike you, they had pride in earning their way in life. You sound like > > >>a guy who would take a job drowning puppies, as long as it paid well. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > -john- And that is why we all strive to find jobs with more pay however not all jobs can pay on the scale we would like which is why we strive to work up the ladder. I hear young people with no experience saying that working at McDonalds is beneath them. So if McDonalds is beneath them and they can't find that high paying job without experience or skills they will just have party time and let everyone else take care of them. I don't blame non-americans with work ethics for coming and snapping up those jobs and I don't care if our young people with the bad attitudes starve...or at least starve enough to shed the entitlement attitude. >> > >>Unlike you, they had pride in earning their way in life. You sound >like [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >don't care if our young people with the bad attitudes starve...or at least >starve enough to shed the entitlement attitude. But you don't say anything about the fact that the parents of said spoiled brats are the ones truly at fault for the way they raised them. Sorry but the generation out there are nothing but pig0headed spoiled brats that think they are so damn special and that are all ruining our country because they think it is better that an ILLEGAL, not non-American, do the jobs they don't particularly like. This country has very little work ethic left. And if you think that the ILLEGALS have such wonderful work ethics you should ask yourself why are they so willing to become a criminal and continue on that path instead of staying in their own country and trying to fix its problems. Signature"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ~~Theodore Roosevelt >Time is the only item that I have >that cannot be replaced once it is spent, so yes, I am going to >be damned greedy with it. > >-john- Typical damn Liberal. Greedy with your own time, yet always trying to give everyone else's time away in the form of government largess. Lon > > None lasted a week. ALL labor was considered exploitive and they called > > our department "the salt mines". "Slave labor" was anything that [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > -john- Not every company *can* pay a wage that would look attractive to some. Some people think they are so valuable that no amount looks attractive enough. I have an Aunt who at one time needed some assistance. She was having a rough time and just needed some additional help. Do you think our system could help her? No. She would have had to quit her job and gone completely on welfare in order to get the help. That was not acceptable to her. She told me, "I am not a child who needs to be taken care of and I can and will do what I can to support my family. Yes, I need help right now and I will get through with or without help from my government but I will not give up my soul to get it." Our welfare system has created a multitude of lazy, unmotivated, ungrateful perpetual children. The attitude that one is supperior to any kind of honest work is prevailant among them. >I see where Maniack <maniack@hotmail.com> once again showed why she >chooses that pen name. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >Will Sill Nope, just telling you that most states do not pay anywhere near that amount is all. It seems that you idiots can not stand it when someone lets the truth be known. I am not saying that anyone should stay on unemployment. That must have come from your idiotic mental problem you have. I just told anyone here that most states don't pay that much for unemployment. If you don't like the truth being posted maybe you should just go to your favorite idiotic websites that only say what you want to hear. In fact, I am probably more conservative than you. I don't even believe in unemployment at all for anyone under any circumstances...and I certainly do not believe in it being given extra long times because of supposed jobs leaving the country for any damn reason. So, you really need to know what you are talking about before you go spouting your LIES ever more. -- "All these people talk so eloquently about getting back to good old-fashioned values. Well, as an old poop I can remember back to when we had those old-fashioned values, and I say let's get back to the good old-fashioned First Amendment of the good old-fashioned Constitution of the United States -- and to hell with the censors! Give me knowledge or give me death!" ~~Kurt Vonnegut, author >Nope, just telling you that most states do not pay anywhere near that >amount is all. It seems that you idiots can not stand it when someone >lets the truth be known. I am not saying that anyone should stay on >unemployment. That must have come from your idiotic mental problem you >have. I just told anyone here that most states don't pay that much for >unemployment. For some reason, folks seem to be reluctant to blindly accept things that you "just told" them. Since you apparently have done the research, how about sharing it with us? Where do you find the statistics? SignatureAl Balmer Balmer Consulting removebalmerconsultingthis@att.net >>Nope, just telling you that most states do not pay anywhere near that >>amount is all. It seems that you idiots can not stand it when someone [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >research, how about sharing it with us? Where do you find the >statistics? Look it up for yourself lazy a.s. Most states do not pay anywhere near $12.00/hr for unemployment. I guess you are saying that you don't have the brains that God gave a gnat. Signa |
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