Just purchased 1st travel trailer. Now I am really lost. We picked up from
a car dealer. So he was not much help. It is a 1996 Sportsmaster.
Need to know how to change over from LP to Battery to elect.
Do you run the LP to frig and w/h while going down the road? Will battery
run the frig?
How to charge battery, and should I add a 2nd.and how do I tie the 2nd one
into the 1st? Do the solar chargers work and how?
How often to check brakes and repack wheel bearings, and can I do that ?
How to winterize, think I can just use air and blow out most of water and
then I won't need to use anti freeze.?
How to use the holding tanks. Is the larger tube the gray or black tank?
This camper does not have stabilizer jacks, should I / can I add them? What
is the best way to do and is it worth it?
Thanks all for your help.

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John A. Mooney - 14 Sep 2004 12:23 GMT
> Just purchased 1st travel trailer. Now I am really lost. We picked up
> from
> a car dealer. So he was not much help. It is a 1996 Sportsmaster.
>
> Need to know how to change over from LP to Battery to elect.
Not sure what you mean. The 12-volt DC systems are always hooked up to the
battery. The 120-volt AC systems require the trailer's power cord be
plugged into a suitable receptacle, at RV park or your home, to be used.
The LP systems require that the tanks have some LP in them and the valves
turned on. Typically, only the refrigerator can use LP or 120 VAC and it
looks for the former only after failing to find the latter.
> Do you run the LP to frig and w/h while going down the road?
No. The wind velocity would probably blow them out, but more importantly is
not having open flames around where vehicles are being filled with
gasoline. The contents of both usually are just fine after several hours of
travel after having reached temperature prior.
> Will battery
> run the frig?
Usually not the less expensive ones. Needs 120 VAC or LP.
> How to charge battery,
with battery charger and/or it will charge from vehicle while being towed,
and/or it will charge when the trailer is plugged into 120 VAC through your
converter.
> and should I add a 2nd.
Your choice
> and how do I tie the 2nd one
> into the 1st?
12 volt batteries in parallel. 6 volt batteries in series.
> Do the solar chargers work
The larger ones work great, best with lots of sunshine.
> and how?
Do Google search on that topic.
> How often to check brakes and repack wheel bearings, and can I do that ?
At least annually, and yes.
> How to winterize, think I can just use air and blow out most of water and
> then I won't need to use anti freeze.?
The trailer in Fargo or Ft. Myers? What you can't blow out may get you in
trouble. Install w/h bypass and put antifreeze in lines and p-traps after
draining all tanks including w/h.
> How to use the holding tanks.
Sanitize freshwater tank and lines with chorine bleach treatment. Follow
with baking soda flush and drain.
Put 5 gallons of water and some black water tank chemicals (enzyme type
only) after dumping the black water tank.
Usually don't need chemicals in grey water tank but it doesn't hurt.
> Is the larger tube the gray or black tank?
Larger is black tank.
> This camper does not have stabilizer jacks, should I / can I add them?
> What is the best way to do and is it worth it?
Take the camper on a trip. If you find rocking objectionable while camped,
use stabilizers. You can get ones you have to deploy or you can weld others
to the frame. Look around at what others do.
> Thanks all for your help.
Lon VanOstran - 15 Sep 2004 03:13 GMT
>> Do you run the LP to frig and w/h while going down the road?
>
>No. The wind velocity would probably blow them out, but more importantly is
>not having open flames around where vehicles are being filled with
>gasoline. The contents of both usually are just fine after several hours of
>travel after having reached temperature prior.
Horse hockey. We run ours going down the road every time we drive. It works
just fine.
Lon
David - 14 Sep 2004 13:11 GMT
>Just purchased 1st travel trailer. Now I am really lost. We picked up from
>a car dealer. So he was not much help. It is a 1996 Sportsmaster.
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>
>Thanks all for your help.
Do a google search for the manufacturer, or a local dealer, or both.
No, I don't use LP while rolling, but it can be done, safely. Whether
your fridge, like mine, will run on 12 volts only, depends on your
fridge make and model. Most models use 12 volts from the battery to
power the controller board for the fridge, so you will need to keep
the battery suitably charged. If you have a propane detector, they
also will drain your battery, somewhat, whenever on.
How you charge the battery may be: 1) from the tow vehicle, while
connected. 2) From a electrical input line 120 volts (landline or
generator), 3) using a small auxiliary charger like you use on car
batteries (requires 120 to the charger, though). and/or, 4) Solar
panels.
Solar panels should work, but obviously not on cloudy days when the
sun is low in the sky, or at night. They can "help", but only as a
trickle type of charger.
IMO 2 12Volt deep cycle type batteries are just the ticket, and in
parallel configuration. Have this done for you if you don't know how.
Electricity is not very forgiving stuff for raw amateurs.
Brakes and wheels depend on usage, condition, and type you have.
Before a long season of use, with a new trailer, I'd be tempted to
just replace all wheel bearings, period. Problem is, with you being in
the tow vehicle, you may not notice a problem with your wheel
bearings, until they've caught a tire on fire, etc. Then you're in the
sh.t, big-time.
Never put anti-freeze in the water lines! :)
Exactly how to winterize your unit depends on how cold your home area
gets in the winter. Talk to people from your own area. Fairbanks is a
lot different than Phoenix.
Larger tube ?? gives me no clue on your tanks. A small sample of one
into a bucket should answer your question.
You can get some stacking stabilizer jacks from Camping World, etc.,
pretty cheaply. If you want full "just press a button" stabilizer
jacks, I doubt it's worth it unless you are really using the trailer
very frequently.
Pick up a good RV maintenance book, like Woodall's, or whatever you
like. It will come in handy.
Hope that helps.
Dave
Go Metric!
Frank - 14 Sep 2004 13:40 GMT
> Just purchased 1st travel trailer. Now I am really lost. We picked up from
> a car dealer. So he was not much help. It is a 1996 Sportsmaster.
>
> Need to know how to change over from LP to Battery to elect.
On my refrigerator there is a selector knob that you can select elect. or
LP.
The elect is 120 AC. So you have to be hooked up to 120 for that selection
to
be used.
> Do you run the LP to frig and w/h while going down the road? Will battery
> run the frig?
Some what controversial. I have always in my moterhome run the frig while on
the road. Very occasionally has wind knocked out flame. The battery must be
on
to run the control board. Uses very small amperage.
> How to charge battery, and should I add a 2nd.and how do I tie the 2nd one
> into the 1st? Do the solar chargers work and how?
On my moterhome I have solar panels. I installed them myself. Not cheap. I
have 2
75 watt siemens that put out max 7 amps. These are wired to a charge
controller which
is wired to the house batteries. As far as batteries are concerned it it
depends on how you
use your trailer. If you "dry camp" that is with no hookups then one battery
would not be enough
for most people. If you have hookups most of the time then you might be able
to get by with one.
As far as adding an additional battery, it is the voltage that determines
how you tie them
But since you have one it must be 12 volts. So if you get another one they
would be wired on parallel.
That is + to + and - to -.
> How often to check brakes and repack wheel bearings, and can I do that ?
>
> How to winterize, think I can just use air and blow out most of water and
> then I won't need to use anti freeze.?
>
> How to use the holding tanks. Is the larger tube the gray or black tank?
If you are talking about where you put the sewers hose on, the tank with the
larger tube going to
the valve is the black water tank.
> This camper does not have stabilizer jacks, should I / can I add them? What
> is the best way to do and is it worth it?
>
> Thanks all for your help.
> --
> Greg &/or Kellie Meyer / GEM STAR Enterprises, Inc.
Frank Howell
Lon VanOstran - 15 Sep 2004 02:26 GMT
>Just purchased 1st travel trailer. Now I am really lost. We picked up from
>a car dealer. So he was not much help. It is a 1996 Sportsmaster.
>
>Need to know how to change over from LP to Battery to elect.
I've never had a 3-way fridge so I can't help with that.
>Do you run the LP to frig and w/h while going down the road?
Yes. Propane today has automatic shut offs, so a catastrophic line break should
not result in disaster.
> Will battery
>run the frig?
Maybe. I a.s/u./med that your first question indicated a 3-way fridge. If so,
the answer is yes.........but not for a long period of time........unless you
have solar panels (lots of them) and plenty of batteries.
>How to charge battery, and should I add a 2nd.and how do I tie the 2nd one
>into the 1st? Do the solar chargers work and how?
You can parallel (+ to + and - to -) more than one 12 volt battery, and you can
connect in series (- to + leaving the unconnected + and - as your cable
connections)) 2 6-volt golf car batteries to make a very large and much
better 12 volt battery, then use more pairs of them to make a much stronger
bank of batteries, by treating each PAIR of 6-volt batteries as a single 12
volt battery and connecting those in parellel.
> How often to check brakes and repack wheel bearings, and can I do that ?
Yearly, and if you know what you are doing. Otherwise pay someone to do it
yearly.
>How to winterize, think I can just use air and blow out most of water and
>then I won't need to use anti freeze.?
RV antifreeze, but don't put it in your tank. Buy a water heater bypass if you
don't have one, and diverter valve to put in your system so you pump can suck
antifreeze out of the bottle and into the lines. Ask a seperate question on
winterizing so this post doesn't get quite so long.
>How to use the holding tanks. Is the larger tube the gray or black tank?
Larger is always black, cause you don't want chunks to plug it up. Never ever
use full hook-ups to leave you black tank open, or you'll end up with a "black
pyramid" under the stool on the bottom of the tank. Not good.
>This camper does not have stabilizer jacks, should I / can I add them? What
>is the best way to do and is it worth it?
Yes you can add them. Yes it is worth it. Just buy simple jacks at Camping
World, Camper's choice, or your local RV dealer. In your case, I would probably
go to the RV dealer because you need help deciding what you need.
>Thanks all for your help.
Lon
Lone Haranguer - 15 Sep 2004 03:35 GMT
>>Need to know how to change over from LP to Battery to elect.
>
> I've never had a 3-way fridge so I can't help with that.
Avoid running it off the battery unless the engine is running at a good
RPM. It will deplete your batteries muy pronto.
>>Do you run the LP to frig and w/h while going down the road?
> >
> Yes. Propane today has automatic shut offs, so a catastrophic line break should
> not result in disaster.
Probably 90% of people run their fridge on propane while going down the
road. I would guess half shut off the pilot light while gassing up. I
would guess most states require it to be shut down while refilling the
propane tank.
LZ
Pete Dumbleton - 15 Sep 2004 17:33 GMT
> >>Need to know how to change over from LP to Battery to elect.
> >
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> propane tank.
> LZ
Umm, prolly the folks who shut theirs off believe 90% of people don't
run fridge on propane on the road. But just in case you are correct,
and certainly to guard against the other 10%, I try to avoid being
near MHs and TT/5W when at filling station -- only takes one to ruin
yer day and the fool who doesn't shut his flame down when refueling is
likely to be the fool who is clumsy with fuel...
Peter Pan - 15 Sep 2004 20:07 GMT
> > >>Need to know how to change over from LP to Battery to elect.
> > >
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> yer day and the fool who doesn't shut his flame down when refueling is
> likely to be the fool who is clumsy with fuel...
I worry more about the fool filling his car next to me at the pumps. I may
know that my tank is far enuf away from the flame not to ignite, but what
about the fool that pulls up next to you with his tank a few feet away from
your propane flame? Or even worse, the ones that stick the gas cap in the
handle and overfill and spill gas all over right next to your fridges
propane flame? I wonder why the selfish/self centered/always think of me
only/attitude seems to be prevalent on this.
I just got a cheap inverter to power the fridge (under $30), and wired it up
so it powers the fridge *only* when the motor is running/ignition is on.
Works fine, and I never have to worry about running the battery down (unless
I forget my keys, and leave the ignition on with the engine stopped)
HDinNY - 15 Sep 2004 21:00 GMT
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> I worry more about the fool filling his car next to me at the pumps. I may
> know that my tank is far enuf away from the flame not to ignite, but what
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> propane flame? I wonder why the selfish/self centered/always think of me
> only/attitude seems to be prevalent on this.
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The "flame" in a fridge is about 4' from the ground, or
more. It is enclosed in a compartment surrounded by sheet
metal. There is an outside door on the area that has the
control board etc. I agree that water heaters should be
turned off when traveling but fridges, come on now. Do you
really believe a firestorm can be created by a fridge?
Gas would have to be forced through the slots of the fridge
door before the fumes could be in a concentration able to
ignite. The fridge flame is minuscule compared to a water
heater flame.
How many people travel in cold weather with the furnace on?
Now there is a situation that could cause a big boom. The
furnace draws in outside air with a fan, mixes it with
propane gas and gets ignited by a spark. In a fueling
station that could go boom but a fridge, nah. JMHO
HD in CNY
Peter Pan - 15 Sep 2004 21:38 GMT
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> > I worry more about the fool filling his car next to me at the pumps. I may
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> station that could go boom but a fridge, nah. JMHO
> HD in CNY
Perfect example of the selfish/It won't happen to me/I'm too smart and
perfect attitude. The part that was snipped specifically talked about the
guy at the pump next to you, and having no control over what other's do. I
gave a very cheap alternative using the vehicles electric power, but only
when the key/engine was on, that luckily I do, especially since some guy
pulled up across the island from me, put his gas cap in the pump handle to
keep it going while filling the tank, and went inside to get a soda. It came
out of the tank (still pumping) and specifically splashed all over me, the
side of the rv, AND the panel (with slits) over the fridge. When I opened
the panel, there was liquid gas inside the refrigerator/burner area. Point
is you have insurance when driving, why not spend $29 more (a lot less than
insurance, fridges on AC only use about 250-300 watts) to not worry about
it? Personally, I don't have the furnace/water heater/propane on when I
drive, so the fridge was really the only thing I worried about, but that's
mainly cuz I live in the Baltimore (Maryland, USA :) area where it is
unfortunately illegal to have propane on when driving thru tunnels under the
water, and the state police nazis check your propane valve to make sure it
is off.
HDinNY - 15 Sep 2004 22:29 GMT
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> Perfect example of the selfish/It won't happen to me/I'm too smart and
> perfect attitude. The part that was snipped specifically talked about the
> guy at the pump next to you, and having no control over what other's do. I
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Simple solution is, tadah, stop at the first pump to fuel.
Look, If your filler pipe is up front on a motorhome, there
is no problem. If your filler pipe is in back, you're right,
there is a problem, on a motorhome. If it's a 5th wheel or a
travel trailer, there is no problem. Stop at the first pump
and your fridge is "way" back there, out in the wafting
breeze, safe unless the fuel truck is dumping gas in the
underground tanks. Solution, don't gas up in a station with
a fuel truck dumping.
Do what you want to feel safe but don't think for one second
you can't go boom for a bunch of other reasons. Leaving your
fridge on gas is one of the least likely. What do you do
when a guy pulls in and starts putting gas in a can on his
pickup bed? Do you run like hell, as you should, or do you
blithely continue fueling?
HD in CNY
HHamp5246 - 16 Sep 2004 01:27 GMT
>I worry more about the fool filling his car next to me at the pumps. I may
know that my tank is far enuf away from the flame not to ignite, but what about
the fool that pulls up next to you with his tank a few feet away from your
propane flame?>
I'm curious about what makes him a "fool" for pulling up to a pump and filling
his car.
Hunter
http://members.aol.com/ILuvBrady/summer2004.htm
"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting
"...holy sh.t...what a ride!"
Pete Dumbleton - 16 Sep 2004 14:39 GMT
> >I worry more about the fool filling his car next to me at the pumps. I may
> know that my tank is far enuf away from the flame not to ignite, but what about
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> I'm curious about what makes him a "fool" for pulling up to a pump and filling
> his car.
I think the law is pretty clear on that; First Fool is the one with
the flame, Second Fool is the one with the gasoline where it shouldn't
be. Usually takes two fools for a fire, unless the First Fool can
also step into the Second Fool role...
Personally, I don't think keeping my groceries cold is justification
for possibly endangering lives and breaking laws - YMMV.
RichA - 16 Sep 2004 04:07 GMT
>Just purchased 1st travel trailer. Now I am really lost. We picked up from
>a car dealer. So he was not much help. It is a 1996 Sportsmaster.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
>Thanks all for your help.
Hi,
If you can contact the manufacturer and see if they can get you a
copy of the owners manual. Then go out and find the " RV Handbook"
and the "RV Repair and Maintenance Manual" by Bob Livingstone. You
can get it from Camping World http://www.campingworld.com/ or Campers
Choice http://camperschoice.com/ or probably from
http://www.amazon.com Another place to find out about some RV
systems online is http://www.phrannie.org/phredex.html. For some
battery information try
http://bart.ccis.com/home/mnemeth/12volt/12volt.htm
There are other places online that can help too. Do a Goggle search
for what your looking for and you will find lots of information.
Basically your LP, battery and 120V electric are three different
systems. Your refrigerator, water heater and furnace will all be run
off of LP *BUT* they need your 12V battery system for control. On
your frig switching over from LP to 120V can be automatic or manual
depending upon the controls on the refrigerator. You can find the
name of your frig and it's model number and go online and look for
Norcold or Dometic and you should be able to find operators manuals.
Changing over from battery to electric on a travel trailer for
everything but the frig is usually just a matter of plugging into a
120V outlet.
If you need a second battery or not depends upon how you plan on
using the TT. If you just plan to use it in campgrounds with
electrical hookup's then you don't need a second battery. If you plan
on using in to boondock (no electric, sewer or water hookups) then you
should get a second battery. If you don't know how to wire up the
battery find someone who does or do a little research before you try.
If it's two 12V batteries you wire them in parallel if it's two 6V
batteries you wire them in series. In either case using the properly
sized wire.
Brakes and wheel bearing should be checked at least once a year. As
long as your pulling the wheel bearings you might as well re-pack
them. You can do it if you know how.
I use air to blow out the lines then put anti freeze in too. Nothing
worse then a water leak in an RV. Especially one you caused by not
winterizing using anti freeze which is cheap.
The large drain is usually the black tank 3" while the smaller one is
the gray tank.
Stabilizer jacks keep the RV from moving when your moving around
inside of it. Rolling over in bed can cause the TT to rock. Try it
and see what you think. You can add them anytime. Me I would add
then :)
Hope this helps. Take care and Happy Campin...
RichA
"We Get To Soon Olde and To Late Smart"