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Travel Forum / Travel Types / RV Travel / September 2004Selling the stuff
Mostly gone. Estate sale started yesterday at 9 am. We had about 20 people standing at the gate waiting to get in by 8:30 so I opened early. A majority of the stuff went yesterday including the phone booth. Yes, I had a phone booth, red English one that I had imported from Great Britain. Couldn't believe it. We started the day with 4 tables 24 feet x 8 feet long in the pole barn, every counter in the shop full, every counter in the garden shed full, and every counter and table in the house full of stuff. By the end of the day the garden shed was empty, most of the stuff was gone from the house and there was a lot of empty space in the pole barn. Started today with a few things in the house, 4 tables full in the pole barn and a few tools in the shop. By the end of today we had condensed everything down to 3 table in the pole barn. The only big things left are my big tool chest, the Vendomatic Coke Machine, my radial arm saw and a seldom used tread mill. 30 years of stuff gone in 16 hours and I have no separation pains at all. Everything left at the end of day tomorrow goes to Good Will. Getting everything packed in the rig and got the computers set up, bought and setup a new printer and scanner, (got to find a place to store them while not in use), the Tire Sentry system arrived Thursday and that will be installed next week. The new camera is ordered from the camera store and new CF cards are here. Almost ready for the road. There is no way for me to explain how much we are looking forward to getting out of these Pacific Northwest Winters. Mara and Bob Thomas. See you in November. LZ you gotta wait till January or February. :-)  Signature"Your money does not cause my poverty. Refusal to believe this is at the bottom of most bad economic thinking." --P. J. O'Rourke http://www.bobhatch.com > Mostly gone. Estate sale started yesterday at 9 am. We had about 20 people > standing at the gate waiting to get in by 8:30 so I opened early. A > majority of the stuff went yesterday including the phone booth. Yes, I had a > phone booth, red English one that I had imported from Great Britain. Man, I really eyed that phone booth. Mind saying what it went for? BD > Man, I really eyed that phone booth. Mind saying what it went for? Sold it for $2000.00. The folks had it hauled away yesterday. The damn thing weighed right at 2000 lbs, so I guess a $1.00 a lb wasn't bad, and it was more than I paid for it. :-) Signature"Your money does not cause my poverty. Refusal to believe this is at the bottom of most bad economic thinking." --P. J. O'Rourke http://www.bobhatch.com >Everything left at the end of day tomorrow goes to Good Will. I doubt you'll make it all the way through day 3. At noon we had so little left that people were stopping one after the other and buying nothing. We wrote _FREE_ on our sign out front, with a red marker, and watched most of the remaining stuff go with one mexican couple who stopped in. It was pretty cool. At that point, we just wanted it gone. What was left, after they did, fit in half of my Safari van and I took it to the "transfer" station (modern version of the dump) Lon >> Everything left at the end of day tomorrow goes to Good Will. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Lon That's our plan right now. If it has to be hauled away I'd sooner have someone else do the work. Only thing that won't go for free is Coke machine and saw. See you in Las Vegas. Signature"Your money does not cause my poverty. Refusal to believe this is at the bottom of most bad economic thinking." --P. J. O'Rourke http://www.bobhatch.com > That's our plan right now. If it has to be hauled away I'd sooner have > someone else do the work. Only thing that won't go for free is Coke > machine and saw. > > See you in Las Vegas. Never seen an RV with a coke machine.... Ever thought of keeping it? Be a heck of a conversation piece..... :) Bob Hatch wrote: > Only thing that won't go for free is Coke >> machine and saw.> Hey Bob, You could camp practically for free.... stock the machine and set it out on the concrete pad. The sales will support the RVing habit. <g> Hunter http://members.aol.com/ILuvBrady/summer2004.htm "Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!" >> That's our plan right now. If it has to be hauled away I'd sooner have >> someone else do the work. Only thing that won't go for free is Coke [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Never seen an RV with a coke machine.... Ever thought of keeping it? Be a > heck of a conversation piece..... :) Just talked to a friend of mine that has one in his house, he modified it to only dispense one row of sodas, the rest are different types of beer for football games/sporting events etc... >See you in Las Vegas. We will be there, but I just found out I have to fly back to Michigan for the 17th of November. We'll likely go to Pahrump (Escapee park, and I wouldn't leave my home with anyone else <g>) on the 14th and store the MH on the morning of the 15th, so we can drive back into Vegas and fly out that day. If everything works according to plan, we will then fly back into Vegas on the 19th. Lon <snip> We wrote _FREE_ on our sign out front, with a red marker, and watched most of the > remaining stuff go with one mexican couple who stopped in. It was pretty cool. I'm wondering why you needed to clarify the race (or at least what you perceived to be the race) of the couple that took away the remnants of your garbage? If the couple was an elderly white couple would you have said so? What about a black man? People are people and by knowingly singling out a race shows your stripes as a racist. SignatureTravlinTim (who thinks LonWho needs to rethink his post) Hansen phreadbarnz@iwon.com >I'm wondering why you needed to clarify the race (or at least what you perceived to be the race) of the couple that took away the remnants of your >garbage? If the couple was an elderly white couple would you have said so?What about a black man? >People are people and by knowingly singling out a race shows your stripes as a racist.> I disagree that it makes him a racist. I think saying it was a Mexican couple just made the description more visual for me. I also think Mexican couples in Michigan are probably an unusual sight and it struck Lon that they were Mexican. I like details when I read about experiences and that was a good detail. Hunter http://members.aol.com/ILuvBrady/summer2004.htm "Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!" I see where hhamp5246@aol.comnojunk (HHamp5246) responded to some typical idiocy from Tim Hansen, who felt it was "racist" for Lon the mention the apparent _nationality_ (not "race") of someone. Says Hansen, ugliness showing, >>People are people and by knowingly singling out a race shows your stripes as a >racist.> H: >I disagree that it makes him a racist. I think saying it was a Mexican couple >just made the description more visual for me. I also think Mexican couples in >Michigan are probably an unusual sight and it struck Lon that they were >Mexican. I often disagree sharply with Hunter, but in this case she's entirely right - there was no evident intent to demean. Since we both know something about Lon, it would be out of character for him to be racists. His was a simple observation, communicating only the idea that the people involved were not natives and perceived a need. Is it "racist" to acknowledge differences? Hansen is an idiot - regardless of his unknown race, religion (if any), national origin or language. I don't know or care whether he's black, yellow, green or charteuse (I'm guessing yellow); whether he's Chinese, Navajo, Democrat/Socialist or Martian (you know what my guess would be!). None are so blind as those who see everyone as being alike, and few are as hypocritical as those who see differences but deny they exist. Will Sill > I see where hhamp5246@aol.comnojunk (HHamp5246) responded to some > typical idiocy from Tim Hansen, who felt it was "racist" for Lon the [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Will Sill YAAAH we have another idiot as proclaimed by the a.s hole. Better quit calling people bad names, some one will sneak up on you and kick your a.s. > I see where hhamp5246@aol.comnojunk (HHamp5246) responded to some > typical idiocy from Tim Hansen, who felt it was "racist" for Lon the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I often disagree sharply with Hunter, but in this case she's entirely > right - there was no evident intent to demean. Then why the disclaimer? If not to paint a picture of two migrant farm workers looking for gems in Lon's garbage. > Since we both know > something about Lon, it would be out of character for him to be > racists. His was a simple observation, communicating only the idea > that the people involved were not natives and perceived a need. Not native to where? Ya think that they traveled up from Mexico to pick through Lon's garbage? > Is it "racist" to acknowledge differences? Hansen is an idiot - > regardless of his unknown race, religion (if any), national origin or > language. I don't know or care whether he's black, yellow, green or > charteuse (I'm guessing yellow); whether he's Chinese, Navajo, > Democrat/Socialist or Martian (you know what my guess would be!). Come on now sillyOne. You know damn well I'm a liberal/socialist. And I know damn well you're a 'good christian' just by the tone of your post. SignatureTravlinTim (who actually knows the sillyOne is an a.shole) Hansen phreadbarnz@iwon.com >Then why the disclaimer? If not to paint a picture of two migrant farm >workers looking for gems in Lon's garbage. It wasn't garbage. All of it had prices on it and lots of those prices were substatial. Probably higher than they should have been, or they would have been gone. I'm sorry that you keep garbage in your home. Don't you have garbage service where you live? Or is it just that when you think of Mexican's, you see them as people who dig through garbage to survive? Shame on you. Lon >>Then why the disclaimer? If not to paint a picture of two migrant farm >>workers looking for gems in Lon's garbage. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Lon How did you know they were Mexicans, maybe they were Bolivians, or Eskimos, they all resemble. BILL P >How did you know they were Mexicans, maybe they were Bolivians, or >Eskimos, they all resemble. > >BILL P I asked them. They were there for most of an hour, and we visited as they gathered the stuff they wanted. Lon >>How did you know they were Mexicans, maybe they were Bolivians, or >>Eskimos, they all resemble. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Lon Well it would be no different than calling someone from Canada, a Canadian, or a Texan, or a Hawaiian, I guess. BILL P. > Well it would be no different than calling someone from Canada, a > Canadian, or a Texan, or a Hawaiian, I guess. > BILL P. Unless of course the people in question were from around the corner, or even the same state. Still doesn't tell us why race conscious lonWho needed to tell us anything other than "a couple" took the rest..... SignatureTravlinTim (American/Californian/Liberal/Proud) Hansen phreadbarnz@iwon.com >> Well it would be no different than calling someone from Canada, a >> Canadian, or a Texan, or a Hawaiian, I guess. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Still doesn't tell us why race conscious lonWho needed to tell us > anything other than "a couple" took the rest..... Bullshit!! Signature"Your money does not cause my poverty. Refusal to believe this is at the bottom of most bad economic thinking." --P. J. O'Rourke http://www.bobhatch.com > >> Well it would be no different than calling someone from Canada, a > >> Canadian, or a Texan, or a Hawaiian, I guess. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Bullshit!! Absolutely correct Mr. Hatch. LonWho is full of bullshit when he spews his 'need to qualify' people garbage. SignatureTravlinTim (who still is wondering why lonWho needed to single out one couple) Hansen phreadbarnz@iwon.com > Absolutely correct Mr. Hatch. LonWho is full of bullshit when he > spews his 'need to qualify' people garbage. You are the racist. He said nothing about their race. You are the one who made the racist assumption. Signature"Your money does not cause my poverty. Refusal to believe this is at the bottom of most bad economic thinking." --P. J. O'Rourke http://www.bobhatch.com >TravlinTim (who still is wondering why lonWho needed to single out one >couple) Hansen >phreadbarnz@iwon.com Not just one group, Tim. I single out people like you as well. Guess what group you fit in. I group people as RVers, non-RVers, exceedingly intelligent, exceedingly ignorant, exceedingly stupid, attactive, friendly, helpful, ambitions, lazy, happy, sad, ugly, pains in the a.s, jerks, nitwits, boring, fun, etc.. Some, I even clasify as unworthy of even that much attention. Are you getting it yet? I judge everybody and everything I see. Get over it. Lon, who believes Tim watched too much TV as a kid. > >TravlinTim (who still is wondering why lonWho needed to single out one > >couple) Hansen [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Lon, who believes Tim watched too much TV as a kid. And yet you choose to respond each and every time. SignatureTravlinTim (who know he is close to the truth) Hansen phreadbarnz@iwon.com > Unless of course the people in question were from around the corner, or even > the same state. > Still doesn't tell us why race conscious lonWho needed to tell us anything > other than "a couple" took the rest..... Possibly you live in an area where there are no recent immigrants so you can't relate. I believe the point Lon was trying to make is that these recent immigrants are not as picky as people who were brought up in this land of plenty. I know here they are the first ones at a garage sale; they seldom haggle and are overjoyed to pick up used items at such bargain rates. They are starting at the bottom and working their way up. Calling recent immigrants from Mexico Mexicans is a statement of fact. That they were happy to get items that others were too picky to pay for is another statement of fact. You need to remove that giant sand burr from your shorts, it's making you a perpetual crank. LZ > I believe the point Lon was trying to make is that these recent > immigrants are not as picky as people who were brought up in this land [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > you a perpetual crank. > LZ And if the couple were fresh out of college would he have called them a 'young couple'? How about a 'black couple'. My point is and has been that there really didn't need to be a qualifier to the 'couple' term. LonWho chose to add one. Why? So we would know that he could tell they were 'mexican'? Did he ask for papers? Did he see green cards? Maybe they were AMERICANS. Wouldn't he feel stupid then? SignatureTravlinTim (next?) Hansen phreadbarnz@iwon.com >And if the couple were fresh out of college would he have called them a 'young couple'? How about a 'black couple'.> I would have definitely written young couple if I had written that same post. Would that make me a racist? If I describe a black couple as a black couple would that make me a racist? Maybe because I mentioned their race, but since I'm not a racist I don't think so. If I said a nice young couple from Mexico moved next door to me, I went over for dinner last night and they cooked a Mexican food feast. Would that make me a racist, or would I have to say, a Mexican couple moved next door to make me a racist? Tim, you're all wet on ths one...... mentioning someone's nationality doesn't make someone a racist. Just observant. He knew they were from Mexico because he chatted with them and they told him. Now, if he has said a greasy bunch of wetbacks took the stuff... you'd have a case. He didn't say that and no where did he imply it. The defense rests. Hunter http://members.aol.com/ILuvBrady/summer2004.htm "Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!" > And if the couple were fresh out of college would he have called them a > 'young couple'? How about a 'black couple'. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > for papers? Did he see green cards? Maybe they were AMERICANS. Wouldn't > he feel stupid then? Since he was there and you weren't, we are prepared to accept his "qualifier" as an informed observation. You, on the other hand, are just kvetching. Keep looking for that burr. LZ Oh, I found the burr. It apparently is the way y'all keep taking the bait..... SignatureTravlinTim (hook, line and sinker) Hansen phreadbarnz@iwon.com > Since he was there and you weren't, we are prepared to accept his > "qualifier" as an informed observation. > > You, on the other hand, are just kvetching. Keep looking for that burr. > LZ >> And if the couple were fresh out of college would he have called >> them a 'young couple'? How about a 'black couple'. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You, on the other hand, are just kvetching. Keep looking for that > burr. LZ Naw, it's just that Tim is applying his own racist beliefs to Lon. You see, Tim must believe that all citizens of Mexico, "Mexicans", are little not so bright brown people in need of his protection. That Lon took the time to talk with the folks and find out about them is something that is most likely beyond Tim, unless of course he would be asking them to do his yard work for a couple bucks an hour. Signature"Your money does not cause my poverty. Refusal to believe this is at the bottom of most bad economic thinking." --P. J. O'Rourke http://www.bobhatch.com >Naw, it's just that Tim is applying his own racist beliefs to Lon. You see, >Tim must believe that all citizens of Mexico, "Mexicans", are little not so >bright brown people in need of his protection. That Lon took the time to >talk with the folks and find out about them is something that is most likely >beyond Tim, unless of course he would be asking them to do his yard work for >a couple bucks an hour. Lighten up time, SoCal racist style: Californian pulls up to a bunch of illegal aliens on a street corner looking for work, and yells: "Anyone speak English"? One Mexican steps forward and says: "si, leafblower". Canoli >I believe the point Lon was trying to make is that these recent >immigrants are not as picky as people who were brought up in this land >of plenty. I know here they are the first ones at a garage sale; they >seldom haggle and are overjoyed to pick up used items at such bargain >rates. They are starting at the bottom and working their way up. Thanks, LZ, but that wasn't my point. The real point of my post was that the sale went exceedingly well, and we got tired of sitting there waiting for it to go and maked it free. It was an accident that one of the first couples to stop after that were from Mexico. It could just as easily have been one of the neighbors, or one of their kids, but it wasn't. It wasn't a couple from the Netherlands with a dutch accent (notice my dutch name and the fact that Carolyn's parent immigrated from the Netherlands). It wasn't a couple from Wisconsin, and it wasn't a couple of newlyweds from Orlando, FL. It was a young couple from Mexico. They were a nice young couple. Had they been wearing Florida State shirts, I might well have called them "Seminoles", but they weren't. They were Mexicans. The racist jerk Tim, seems hell bent upon shedding his guilt by heaping it upon others. I reject it >Calling recent immigrants from Mexico Mexicans is a statement of fact. >That they were happy to get items that others were too picky to pay for >is another statement of fact. Many young couples from Williamston, MI would have done exactly as they did, had they seen the sign. They didn't. This couple did. There is nothing negative in that.It's just fact. Tim needs to invest in a spade shovel so he can dig the cob out of his a.s. >You need to remove that giant sand burr from your shorts, it's making >you a perpetual crank. Corn cob has and burrs on it huh? LOL >LZ Lon > I asked them. They were there for most of an hour, and we visited as > they gathered the stuff they wanted. > > Lon I kind of figured as much. Signature"Your money does not cause my poverty. Refusal to believe this is at the bottom of most bad economic thinking." --P. J. O'Rourke http://www.bobhatch.com > I disagree that it makes him a racist. I think saying it was a Mexican couple > just made the description more visual for me. I also think Mexican couples in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Hunter You can describe me as a white friend if you want but I would think of it as odd. I guess I might be a little offended if you called me your fat-white-friend. If I have a friend who happens to be Hispanic, I don't describe him as "My Hispanic friend". I describe him as a friend. However, If I was trying to make a point of what type of person may want my garbage, I may describe the people as some Hispanics but I doubt I'd ever want to make a point of that. Ben >You can describe me as a white friend if you want but I would think of >it as odd. But, but..... Saying someone's nationality is descriptive.... Lon didn't mention the peoople's race. Hunter http://members.aol.com/ILuvBrady/summer2004.htm "Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!" > >You can describe me as a white friend if you want but I would think of > >it as odd. > > But, but..... Saying someone's nationality is descriptive.... Lon didn't > mention the peoople's race. That's because -some- people (unnamed) think of all Mexicans' as little brown people. I have one Mexican friend that is 6ft 6 and weighs over 300 lbs. Another that is paler then I am, but his family is almost pure Castilean. Signature-------------------------------------------------------- Personal e-mail is the n7bsn but at amsat.org This posting address is a spam-trap and seldom read RV and Camping FAQ can be found at http://www.ralphandellen.us/rv > That's because -some- people (unnamed) think of all Mexicans' as > little brown people. Yeah, and who would that be Ralph? It certainly isn't me. Ben > > That's because -some- people (unnamed) think of all Mexicans' as > > little brown people. > > Yeah, and who would that be Ralph? It certainly isn't me. Who started the whinning? Signature-------------------------------------------------------- Personal e-mail is the n7bsn but at amsat.org This posting address is a spam-trap and seldom read RV and Camping FAQ can be found at http://www.ralphandellen.us/rv >You can describe me as a white friend if you want but I would think of >it as odd. I guess I might be a little offended if you called me your [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Ben The difference between you and me seems to be that you would accuse people of wanting garbage, and I wouldn't. I thought that nice young couple was just trying to get started in life and was happy to get the things I was getting rid of. Not because those things were garbage, but because we had to get rid of EVERYTHING. We filled a dumpster every week for 6 months with the stuff which I wouldn't have marketed were I to own a resale store. Had I thought the stuff was garbage, I would have thrown it away instead of trying to sell it at our sale. They just happened to be a couple who spoke mostly spanish, and a little broken english. I was thrilled to have someone make use of the stuff so we wouldn't have to sit here any longer. The racist ones are those who a.s/u/med that the nice young couple was scrounging for garbage just because I mentioned that they were Mexican. Shame on you. Lon > The difference between you and me seems to be that you would accuse people of > wanting garbage, and I wouldn't. I thought that nice young couple was just [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > scrounging for garbage just because I mentioned that they were Mexican. Shame > on you. You assumed my analogy was talking about the couple in your story. You also assumed I was calling you a racist. Nether are true. Ben >> The difference between you and me seems to be that you would accuse >people of [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >Ben Bill Clinton would be proud of you being such a great student. Lon > >You assumed my analogy was talking about the couple in your story. You > >also assumed I was calling you a racist. Nether are true. > > > >Ben > > Bill Clinton would be proud of you being such a great student. You assumed that too. You're just choke-full of assumptions. Ben > I'm wondering why you needed to clarify the race (or at least what you > perceived to be the race) of the couple that took away the remnants [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > People are people and by knowingly singling out a race shows your > stripes as a racist. Bullshit! Signature"Your money does not cause my poverty. Refusal to believe this is at the bottom of most bad economic thinking." --P. J. O'Rourke http://www.bobhatch.com >I'm wondering why you needed to clarify the race (or at least what you >perceived to be the race) of the couple that took away the remnants of your [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >People are people and by knowingly singling out a race shows your stripes as >a racist. You need to look at more TV, Tim, or at least get out some: you have come down with galloping PC disease. Know what that is, don't you? When a policeman describes a wanted subject but is prohibited from including race as an identifying factor. Canoli > Know what that is, don't you? When a policeman describes a wanted > subject but is prohibited from including race as an identifying > factor. > > Canoli So now lonWho is describing criminals to us? This gets better and better with every post. SignatureTravlinTim (who understands pastryBoy's confusion) Hansen phreadbarnz@iwon.com Tim You look like a butthook, for howling about Lon being a racist, because he mentioned a Mexican couple taking the last of his "stuff".... What else has he said that would lead you to that conclusion? It sounds like you think he can't be an a.shole, without the "baggage" you imagine? It must be a "slow day".......... Don >So now lonWho is describing criminals to us? >This gets better and better with every post. Aw Tim, I have to apologize: I assumed you had enough brights to understand the PC reference, which obviously sailed right over your pointy little head. Must be the result of having your macho pink scooter up all the way to thirty MPH: how exciting! I'll bet the little furry fox tail hanging off the rear bumper gave ol' Betty Boop a real shellacking. A word of caution: don't drag race any of the little kids you see riding gas powered scooters. Think how embarrassing it would be to be whupped by a twelve year old kid in flip-flops, shorts, and a tee shirt, with you all dressed up in your biker leathers, boots, and full face pink helmet, not to mention those cute gloves with the fringes on the cuffs. And the kid's probably a TV fanatic besides. What a disgrace! Canoli >I'm wondering why you needed to clarify the race (or at least what you >perceived to be the race) of the couple that took away the remnants of your [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >People are people and by knowingly singling out a race shows your stripes as >a racist. Slow day, huh Tim? Lon >The only big things left are my big tool chest, the Vendomatic Coke Machine, my radial arm saw and a seldom used tread mill.> I wish you were closer, I'd go for the radial arm saw. >30 years of stuff gone in 16 hours and I have no separation pains at all.> I had some, my books mostly...... I was in tears as the van left the driveway with a lifetime accumulation. I d still have the ones I couldnlt part with and in some cases have bought another of the ones I shouldn't have sold. >Everything left at the end of day tomorrow goes to Good Will.> I did that too, but Habitat. >There is no way for me to explain how much we are looking forward to getting out of these Pacific Northwest Winters.> You're preaching to the choir <g> Are you still coming to Florida? Hunter http://members.aol.com/ILuvBrady/summer2004.htm "Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!" > I had some, my books mostly...... I was in tears as the van left the > driveway with a lifetime accumulation. I d still have the ones I > couldnlt part with and in some cases have bought another of the ones > I shouldn't have sold. All my "good" hard cover books were sent to our daughter in WI. They are on permanent loan. :-) > Are you still coming to Florida? Next winter. We plan on pulling into the Clermont area in the fall of '05. This winter is AZ and maybe Pecos, TX in April, but the plans are now subject to change on a seconds notice. Signature"Your money does not cause my poverty. Refusal to believe this is at the bottom of most bad economic thinking." --P. J. O'Rourke http://www.bobhatch.com >>Everything left at the end of day tomorrow goes to Good Will.> >I did that too, but Habitat. What? That bunch of "liberal" do-gooders? <g> GB in NC >>> Everything left at the end of day tomorrow goes to Good Will.> > >> I did that too, but Habitat. > > What? That bunch of "liberal" do-gooders? <g> At least they are "doing" rather than demanding that "government do it", and that's the key difference. Don't mind liberal or conservative do gooders as long as they realize that "do gooding" is not the job of the government. Signature"Your money does not cause my poverty. Refusal to believe this is at the bottom of most bad economic thinking." --P. J. O'Rourke http://www.bobhatch.com > >>> Everything left at the end of day tomorrow goes to Good Will.> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > that's the key difference. Don't mind liberal or conservative do gooders as > long as they realize that "do gooding" is not the job of the government. I gave a pickup truck load of power tools, hand tools and assorted stuf to a small-town church who had made arrangement with a retired contractor to teach disadvantaged kids to basic skills, including how to get and keep a job. I dunno their politics, but I like their actions. >>I did that too, but Habitat. > >What? That bunch of "liberal" do-gooders? <g> > >GB in NC Horse hockey. Most of them are conservatives. Liberals would be trying to PAY someone to do the work. Of course, they would be paying them with someone else's money. The whole idea of helping people to help themselves, as Habitat does, is the foundation of Conservatism. Liberalism is based upon handouts. Lon > .... The new camera is ordered from the camera store and new > CF cards are here. Almost ready for the road. Gota ask, what "new" camera did you get SignaturePersonal email n7bsn@amsat.org (@callsign.net's a SPAM trap) >> .... The new camera is ordered from the camera store and new >> CF cards are here. Almost ready for the road. > > Gota ask, what "new" camera did you get I've ordered the new Canon 20D 8 mp SLR. http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=139&m odelid=10464 I've seen some images on the web and they are awesome. It will give me something to do when not hanging around here, washing and cleaning the rig, walking the dogs, etc. With Hi-jpg setting it will do 5 frames per second up to 23 frames in the buffer. It also has a .2 second time from switch on to ready. Looking forward to playing with it. Signature"Your money does not cause my poverty. Refusal to believe this is at the bottom of most bad economic thinking." --P. J. O'Rourke http://www.bobhatch.com Bob Who woulda' thunk that an English phone booth would be an "investment"? Sounds like you're casting off for a great adventure! It makes me happy to see you happy. I hope you can get used to wearing shorts in February, and 80 degree days. They sure don't have them in the PNW! Enjoy the fruits of your labors! Don > Bob > Who woulda' thunk that an English phone booth would be an [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > wearing shorts in February, and 80 degree days. They sure don't have > them in the PNW! Maybe I'll get as lucky as Larry, who owns the park we stayed in while we were in Ajo. In Jan when we were there and I was running the AC he was wearing a down coat and a long sleeve shirt. > Enjoy the fruits of your labors! > Don Thanks, we will. Signature"Your money does not cause my poverty. Refusal to believe this is at the bottom of most bad economic thinking." --P. J. O'Rourke http://www.bobhatch.com > I've ordered the new Canon 20D 8 mp SLR. > http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=139 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > to 23 frames in the buffer. It also has a .2 second time from switch on to > ready. I figured it was either that or the new 1Ds Mark-II (at the slight bump-up of $8000) I gota stay with Canon (since all my good lenses are either Canon or old Universal thread for the old/dead Mamiyas) . It's just that the 10D or 20D are a little spendy and the Rebal/300D is a little cheaply made. I keep hoping for something inbetween. Did you know that 10D and 300D (also maybe the 20D) are actually DOS machines? There is a hack you can download into the camera that allows you do see the two "drives"; A is the internal memory and has the autoexec.bat, mddos.com and etc. While dive B is the memory for pictures. BTW, did you note that Denno's new camera is a 10D? Signature-------------------------------------------------------- Personal e-mail is the n7bsn but at amsat.org This posting address is a spam-trap and seldom read RV and Camping FAQ can be found at http://www.ralphandellen.us/rv > Mostly gone. Estate sale started yesterday at 9 am. We had about 20 people > standing at the gate waiting to get in by 8:30 so I opened early. A [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Mara and Bob Thomas. See you in November. LZ you gotta wait till January or > February. :-) Looking forward to it. Who's Mara? If you're referring to my pup, that's Missy (short for Miss Underfoot). I'm going to try to get down to see LZ. Never met him, but like his comments. cheers bob > Looking forward to it. Who's Mara? If you're referring to my pup, > that's Missy (short for Miss Underfoot). Mara posts as LongCoolWoman. She's in the Phoenix area with her husband. > I'm going to try to get down to see LZ. Never met him, but like his > comments. You'd like LZ too. Just don't take him to dinner at the Ajo Lilly. :-) Signature"Your money does not cause my poverty. Refusal to believe this is at the bottom of most bad economic thinking." --P. J. O'Rourke http://www.bobhatch.com > > Looking forward to it. Who's Mara? If you're referring to my pup, > > that's Missy (short for Miss Underfoot). > > Mara posts as LongCoolWoman. She's in the Phoenix area with her husband. Ahhh. Seen her posts. Like 'em. grin > > I'm going to try to get down to see LZ. Never met him, but like his > > comments. > > > You'd like LZ too. Just don't take him to dinner at the Ajo Lilly. :-) There's GOTTA be a story there. cheers bob > There's GOTTA be a story there. > > cheers > > bob We can share it with you this winter, but remember LZ will offer countless excuses for poor judgment. Signature"Your money does not cause my poverty. Refusal to believe this is at the bottom of most bad economic thinking." --P. J. O'Rourke http://www.bobhatch.com > We can share it with you this winter, but remember LZ will offer countless > excuses for poor judgment. Judgment was NOT involved. Simply a little hearing difficulty combined with an unwillingness to eavesdrop on what the waiter was saying to Bob. He CLAIMS they were discussing the sad state of the babyback ribs which I then proceeded to order. The first clue that they weren't babyback ribs was when they arrived via forklift. LZ >> We can share it with you this winter, but remember LZ will offer >> countless excuses for poor judgment. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > babyback ribs was when they arrived via forklift. > LZ See, I told you. Excuses. Signature"Your money does not cause my poverty. Refusal to believe this is at the bottom of most bad economic thinking." --P. J. O'Rourke http://www.bobhatch.com > See, I told you. Excuses. I think Bob bribed the waiter to switch my order from babyback to Brontosaurus. Either that or the waiter also had a hearing problem. LZ >> See, I told you. Excuses. >> > I think Bob bribed the waiter to switch my order from babyback to > Brontosaurus. Either that or the waiter also had a hearing problem. > LZ Baby Brontosaurus, maybe? >>> See, I told you. Excuses. >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Baby Brontosaurus, maybe? Hell no. Full grown. Old and tough. Signature"Your money does not cause my poverty. Refusal to believe this is at the bottom of most bad economic thinking." --P. J. O'Rourke http://www.bobhatch.com >>>>See, I told you. Excuses. >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Hell no. Full grown. Old and tough. The ribs or Linus <g>. HD in CNY > The ribs or Linus <g>. Your Voodoo doll is getting an extra poke for that. Guess where? LZ >> The ribs or Linus <g>. > > Your Voodoo doll is getting an extra poke for that. Guess where? > LZ I wondered why my a.s hurt <g>. HD in CNY >>>>> See, I told you. Excuses. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The ribs or Linus <g>. > HD in CNY Both! :-) Signature"Your money does not cause my poverty. Refusal to believe this is at the bottom of most bad economic thinking." --P. J. O'Rourke http://www.bobhatch.com Bob Hatch wrote: >>You'd like LZ too. Just don't take him to dinner at the Ajo Lilly. :-) > > There's GOTTA be a story there. It has to do with babyback ribs from a Brontosaurus. LZ > I'm going to try to get down to see LZ. Never met him, but like his > comments. Usually we visit Phoenix a couple of times each winter but my brother stayed home last winter and so we never went up. If nothing else we can meet halfway in Gila Bend for lunch. Too bad the El Cazador closed up, they had an excellent Mexican buffet. LZ > > I'm going to try to get down to see LZ. Never met him, but like his > > comments. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > El Cazador closed up, they had an excellent Mexican buffet. > LZ Gee, I dunno. I been warned about going to lunch with you. grin Seriously, sounds like a firtel suggesstion with pregnant possibilities. Let's give birth to it. cheers bob > Gee, I dunno. I been warned about going to lunch with you. grin > > Seriously, sounds like a firtel suggesstion with pregnant possibilities. > Let's give birth to it. > > cheers I'm bringing a chaperone so don't get any funny ideas. LZ >> Gee, I dunno. I been warned about going to lunch with you. grin >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I'm bringing a chaperone so don't get any funny ideas. > LZ Hummm. Maybe the group of us can get together at some mid point. Signature"Your money does not cause my poverty. Refusal to believe this is at the bottom of most bad economic thinking." --P. J. O'Rourke http://www.bobhatch.com snipped > There is no way for me to explain how much we are looking forward to getting > out of these Pacific Northwest Winters. > > Mara and Bob Thomas. See you in November. LZ you gotta wait till January or > February. :-) Congrats Bob. You guys must feel like a huge load has been dumped <g>. Hope we see you this winter, if there is anything left of Florida after the hurricanes are finished. Hugh > snipped >> There is no way for me to explain how much we are looking forward to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > anything left of Florida after the hurricanes are finished. > Hugh Thanks, but not this winter. This winter is Arizona and maybe Pecos, TX. Then north to WI by 28, May for Granddaughters HS grad. Then tool around WI, MN and the area around the North Shore of Lake Superior until Grandson's wedding in mid July. After that it's Nova Scotia and hopefully Newfoundland. The FL next winter. See you in NY or FL for the sausage, onions and peppers. :-) Signature"Your money does not cause my poverty. Refusal to believe this is at the bottom of most bad economic thinking." --P. J. O'Rourke http://www.bobhatch.com snipped > Thanks, but not this winter. This winter is Arizona and maybe Pecos, TX. > Then north to WI by 28, May for Granddaughters HS grad. Then tool around WI, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > See you in NY or FL for the sausage, onions and peppers. :-) Right on Bob. HD in CNY >> snipped > Thanks, but not this winter. This winter is Arizona and maybe Pecos, > TX. Then north to WI by 28, May for Granddaughters HS grad. Then tool [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > See you in NY or FL for the sausage, onions and peppers. :-) SignatureBob, first, welcome to fulltiming! You're gonna have a ball! Suggestion: In WI, be sure to go to Waupun and take the "Statue Tour," self-guided, but the highlight is Earl Fraser's "The End of the Trail" my personal favorite. Second is, of all things, the Spam Museum in Austin, MI. Along the way, maybe catch the Jolly Green Giant statue <LOL> and, in all things ENJOY!!! If inclined, check this for some pictures : http://www.cj-and-m.com/HomePage/Page_5.html Cliff Our Home Page http://www.cj-and-m.com - *slow loading* and WebLog http://cj-and-m.com/v-web/b2/ - *fast loading* . . > Thanks, but not this winter. This winter is Arizona and maybe Pecos, TX. > ..... Bob, if you like real ghost towns I've got a suggestion for you. If you head over to Tx via Hwy 10, just after crossing the NM boarder at exit 3, get off and you'll see the remains of an old cemetery. Time and roaming cattle haven't been too kind. If you then cross under the highway, about a third mile W is the remains of an old town. A couple about our age owns the place and are very interesting to talk to. The general store is "wallpapered" with money, hardly a bare inch. Some yrs ago someone ask if if they could post a note and didn't have a piece of paper so wrote something on a dollar and tacked it on the wall, the rest is history. You'll find money from all over the world. You can walk around the "town" for free and they offer a "guided tour" for about $2. You'll be taken in to 3-4 of the houses that are still safe to go into. Quite an interesting story to the town. Town was set up to service the RR when steam was still king. As Diesel took over, the town was no longer needed so one day when the train stopped they informed the towns people this would be the last time the train stopped and if they wanted, they had 30 mins to pack and train would take them to nearest town 20-30 miles away. What remains is what was left by the towns people and has not been disturbed very much in the 70 yrs since. There is a lot more of an interesting story about the town but it is better to let the current owners tell it. One humorous story the owner told me was he was in the process of restoring one building that was the sporting house. He said he had asked his wife if he could "stock" it with merchandise when he was finished and she responded, only if the ladys where from the same vintage as the building, have to keep historical perspective. Enjoy the road. Mickey snipped > miles away. What remains is what was left by the towns people and has > not been disturbed very much in the 70 yrs since. There is a lot more snipped > Mickey This story doesn't make sense. 70 years ago is 1934 and diesel locomotives didn't replace steam engines till late 30's and 40's. After WW2, the eastern railroads switched big time. Besides, if the RR stopped service to a place, Greyhound buses and cars would have been prevalent. People didn't rely on horses and trains for transportation in the 40's and 50's. I don't find much to substantiate wide spread switch from steam to diesel powered locomotives in the early 30's. Maybe others have more info on this. HD in CNY > snipped > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > more info on this. > HD in CNY I haven't researched any thing yet, but I know the area in question, and taint much water, wood or coal. Steam engines required this, a lot of it. If I owned a railroad and Diesel engines were being put in service, I think I would start with the area having the most advantage with the use of them. That equates out to being replacing steam engines where there is little water, and no fuel, wood or coal. BILL P. > I haven't researched any thing yet, but I know the area in question, and > taint much water, wood or coal. Steam engines required this, a lot of > it. If I owned a railroad and Diesel engines were being put in service, > I think I would start with the area having the most advantage with the > use of them. That equates out to being replacing steam engines where > there is little water, and no fuel, wood or coal. Rather than start a town to furnish these items, it would have made a lot more sense to add a few cars to carry them. The area he talks about is in the vicinity of Antony, NM. Do we have a name for this abandoned town? We pass through the area quite often, using Antony Gap from Chapparal to bypass El Paso. LZ "Lone Haranguer" <linusz@direcway.com> wrote The area he talks about > is in the vicinity of Antony, NM. Do we have a name for this abandoned > town? We pass through the area quite often, using Antony Gap from > Chapparal to bypass El Paso. > LZ More likely the area East of Tucumcari. There are plenty of ghost towns in New Mexico but nothing that would be close to Anthony. Max > More likely the area East of Tucumcari. There are plenty of ghost towns in > New Mexico but nothing that would be close to Anthony. > > Max Didn't he say I-10, exit 3? Tucumcari is on I-40. We always hit Tucumcari from US 54 so miss the area between there and the Texas border. Cuervo on I-40 is a ghost town for all practical purposes. Those former mining towns once populated by Hippies are the interesting ones to visit. White Oaks, NM Chloride, AZ, Arivaca, AZ are a few we have been to. Many old ranching towns we find interesting are Puerto de Luna, Duran, Mountainair and Corona, NM. Have even looked at purchasing land in the vicinity. LZ >> More likely the area East of Tucumcari. There are plenty of ghost towns >> in New Mexico but nothing that would be close to Anthony. >> >> Max > > Didn't he say I-10, exit 3? Tucumcari is on I-40. I stand corrected Amigo. But there aren't any ghost towns near Anthony. La Mesa used to be called Victoria and was pretty much "abandoned" for a long time but it's sure not a ghost town now. > We always hit Tucumcari from US 54 so miss the area between there and the > Texas border. Cuervo on I-40 is a ghost town for all practical purposes. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the vicinity. > LZ Shakespeare out near Lordsburg is interesting and the area up around Mogollon & Whitewater Baldy. Max For Ghost Towns, Check the website http://www.ghosttowns.com/ and click on the state you want to see them for... > "Lone Haranguer" <linusz@direcway.com> wrote > The area he talks about [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Max The original post said I-10 exit #3 in NM. BILL P. >The original post said I-10 exit #3 in NM. Street Atlas 2004 says that town is named Steins. SignatureDon Bradner donb at arcatapet.com Posting today by Satellite from Buckhorn RV Resort, Kerrville, TX >> I haven't researched any thing yet, but I know the area in question, >> and taint much water, wood or coal. Steam engines required this, a lot [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Chapparal to bypass El Paso. > LZ Had to refer to the atlas to refresh the old brain. The "town" is Steins". In my Rand McNally it's identified (in red) as "Steins railroad ghost town". Looks like nearest sizable town E is Lordsburg and just south of Lordsburg is Shakespeare, another ghost town. Mickey > >> I haven't researched any thing yet, but I know the area in question, > >> and taint much water, wood or coal. Steam engines required this, a lot [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Mickey I remember hearing about some of those ghost towns when I lived in El Paso. They probably have been sifted through so much, nothing would be recognized as authentic antique. Came across another one between Beatty NV and Death Valley, interesting old mining town. BILL P. <snip> > I remember hearing about some of those ghost towns when I lived in > El Paso. They probably have been sifted through so much, nothing would > be recognized as authentic antique. Came across another one between > Beatty NV and Death Valley, interesting old mining town. > > BILL P. That town is called "Rhyolyte" IIRC. SignatureRam KE7BRE www.rvsafety.com > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > KE7BRE > www.rvsafety.com Thanks, it was to hot for me to see the sign. I was in an M-52A2 at the time with out air conditioner with all the windows closed because the air was so hot it would blister you. BILL P. > Had to refer to the atlas to refresh the old brain. The "town" is > Steins". In my Rand McNally it's identified (in red) as "Steins > railroad ghost town". Looks like nearest sizable town E is Lordsburg > and just south of Lordsburg is Shakespeare, another ghost town. Been through there many times. The OP said exit 3 on I-10 near the Texas border so I was kornfuzed. LZ FYI The story on diesel locomotives is the fact that General Motors told the RRs that they would stop shipping cars and other supplies by rail unless the RRs bought diesel locomotives and quit using steam. GM built the locomotives and they were the RRs biggest customer. Also the diesels dont have enough torque to pull the loads so that is why you see two or three locomotives on every train. The steam engines had practically unlimited torque and needed only one locomotive per train. And of course you knew that the union made the RRs keep a fireman on board (and maybe they still do) despite the fact that there is no use for him on a diesel. And that brings us to Moore's in blaming GMs president for ruining Flint Michigan whereas actually the union ran GM out of Michigan with their incessant demands for more money. Michigan today is a goddam economic wasteland. TS TS > > snipped > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > BILL P. > The story on diesel locomotives is the fact that General Motors told the RRs > that they would stop shipping cars and other supplies by rail unless the RRs > bought diesel locomotives and quit using steam. Yeah, that's it. If not for GM they would be still using steam today. > FYI > The story on diesel locomotives is the fact that General Motors told the RRs [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > ran GM out of Michigan with their incessant demands for more money. > Michigan today is a goddam economic wasteland. Well again I have not researched it, but I would not necessarily call the Diesels had a lack of torque. The Diesel engine does not directly provide power in the conventional manner. They turn Generators that in turn provide the driving power to electric motors. Many trains that I have seen out there had only one engine, but like you said they do have several, some times the train is several cars long and requires more horse power to move it. The economic waist land is a problem I agree, but then that is Yankee country and they have always had a problem. Don't get me wrong Yankees are ok as long as they just come down here to visit. The problem comes in to being when the Yankees want to stay down here then they become Dammed Yankees. :^) BILL P. >Michigan today is a goddam economic wasteland. That's true. It happens every time they elect a damn democrat as governor. They always kill all of the infrastructure construction and pile on the handouts so 10% of the population stops working. This too shall pass. Too bad the idiots can't remember what happens for more than 7 years. Lon > This story doesn't make sense. 70 years ago is 1934 and > diesel locomotives didn't replace steam engines till late [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > switch from steam to diesel powered locomotives in the early > 30's. Maybe others have more info on this. My dad and his step dad worked for the D&RG RR before and during WW2 so I grew up around the railroad.. Diesels were so rare they were a major attraction, at least out west. IIRC except for fancy "streamliners" diesel locomotives didn't appear til the late 40's. My dad blamed the rapid change on GM. At the time GM had their own mines, smelters and steel plants as well as foundrys, automobile plants, and of course dealers. Everything from ore to finished cars moved by rail. According to legend, GM threatened to build their own lines unless the railroads switched to GM-made diesels. Grandpa, an engineer, loved it because a diesel was far cleaner and easier to operate than a steam locomotive but dad, a machinist, had to find another job. >> Thanks, but not this winter. This winter is Arizona and maybe Pecos, TX. >> ..... > >Bob, if you like real ghost towns I've got a suggestion for you. My son is a ghost town addict, and shortly will be moving to Las Vegas. Do you know of any ghost towns in Southern Nevada, or where he can find guide books for locations near the area around Vegas? Many Thanks, Canoli >My son is a ghost town addict, and shortly will be mov |
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