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Skookum - 27 Jun 2008 14:42 GMT
I have been away from rec.travel.usa-canada for a while and see now
that it has gotten worse in terms of jackasses peddling their junk and
stupid irrelevant opinions. Too bad. it used to informative and fun to
be part of the various threads.

Are there any moderated travel newsgroups that those who really do
want to talk travel.usa-canada have now migrated to, where twits
selling sneakers etc. can't even get in the virtual door with their
crap?
Jim Davis - 27 Jun 2008 15:07 GMT
>I have been away from rec.travel.usa-canada for a while and see now
> that it has gotten worse in terms of jackasses peddling their junk and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> selling sneakers etc. can't even get in the virtual door with their
> crap?

Moderated Google Group - "Business Travel"  Great bunch of people, no BS.
Very small group, but informative.
- Bobb - - 30 Jun 2008 13:58 GMT
>>I have been away from rec.travel.usa-canada for a while and see now
>> that it has gotten worse in terms of jackasses peddling their junk and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> selling sneakers etc. can't even get in the virtual door with their
>> crap?

I use Outlook Express as my newsreader and have "Message Rules" that
delete messages with "fill in the blank" in the title or in the body of
the message etc ( you can tweak it). If you too use a newsreader ( as
opposed to web-based), then create the rule ( check the boxes) to:
" Delete ALL messages"
with the word
"CRAP"
in the title.
If/when a new word ( or sender) becomes popular in the spam ( say today
it's SNEAKER), then add it (sneaker) to the rule . Personally I can't
imagine that ANYONE ever clicks to read the message about "
NIKE,JORDAN,SNEAKER, CHEAP". BUT as long as they can post , they will.
When I FIRST set it up, I spent about 10 minutes entering 'words to
delete'. When you first open a newsgroup those will be obvious, and then I
update if I get a new series of titles ( like NIK-E JORD an etc). In this
example you could enter jor* to your rule to purge them all.
I only see that crap on my screen once a month or so. and then I just
highlight them and hit delete key. If they become more prevalent I add a
word or two to my filter.
I have a rule for
"Words in Title"
and another for
"From"
etc.
If you haven't used it,  do a search for
spam ,  rules , OE as newsreader - setup etc
Lawrence Akutagawa - 30 Jun 2008 16:30 GMT
>>>I have been away from rec.travel.usa-canada for a while and see now
>>> that it has gotten worse in terms of jackasses peddling their junk and
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> If you haven't used it,  do a search for
> spam ,  rules , OE as newsreader - setup etc

Another approach is to report these spammers to the pertinent folks.  A
quick way using OE is as follows:

1. Select "Properties" from the "File" drop down menu of the post.

2. Click on the "Details" tab.  That will yield the internet headers.

3. Using click and drag, copy all the internet headers.

4. Going back to the post, click the "Forward" icon.

5. Above the original post ("----- Original Message ----- ") paste those
internet headers.

6. Locate in the pasted internet headers the "Complaints To:" internet
address.

7. Copy and paste that internet address in the "To:" line of the forwarded
post.

8. Click the "Send" icon to send to this header information.

Looks long and involved, but doesn't take but a few seconds once you get
into the flow of things.
Brian K - 30 Jun 2008 17:14 GMT
On 6/30/2008 8:58 AM  - Bobb - plucked Senior Frog's Magic Twanger and
said:

>>> I have been away from rec.travel.usa-canada for a while and see now
>>> that it has gotten worse in terms of jackasses peddling their junk and
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> If you haven't used it,  do a search for
> spam ,  rules , OE as newsreader - setup etc

The only flaw in your examples is "jor". "jor" could also be Jordan.  
Maybe you might have a reason to visit that country.  If so, the "jor"
filter would prevent you from seeing any Jordan travel threads.

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PeterL - 27 Jun 2008 18:12 GMT
> I have been away from rec.travel.usa-canada for a while and see now
> that it has gotten worse in terms of jackasses peddling their junk and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> selling sneakers etc. can't even get in the virtual door with their
> crap?

Virtual Tourist?
Magiel Venema - 27 Jun 2008 20:23 GMT
I deleted the name of the Google group by accident, please will sonmeone
repeat it.

Magiel
Jim Davis - 27 Jun 2008 20:51 GMT
>I deleted the name of the Google group by accident, please will sonmeone
>repeat it.
>
> Magiel

Business Travel
Brian K - 29 Jun 2008 03:13 GMT
On 6/27/2008 9:42 AM  Skookum plucked Senior Frog's Magic Twanger and said:
> I have been away from rec.travel.usa-canada for a while and see now
> that it has gotten worse in terms of jackasses peddling their junk and
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> crap?
>  
Pardon my ignorance. But if anybody migrated to a moderated USA / Canada
discussion group, I don't think they would be here to tell you about
it.  Maybe you could try to Google 'Moderated Travel Discussion Group'?

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DevilsPGD - 29 Jun 2008 03:22 GMT
>Pardon my ignorance. But if anybody migrated to a moderated USA / Canada
>discussion group, I don't think they would be here to tell you about
>it.  

Why not?

You are aware it is possible to subscribe to more then one newsgroup at
once, right?
Jim Davis - 29 Jun 2008 15:00 GMT
> On 6/27/2008 9:42 AM  Skookum plucked Senior Frog's Magic Twanger and
> said:
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> discussion group, I don't think they would be here to tell you about it.
> Maybe you could try to Google 'Moderated Travel Discussion Group'?

Not necessarily true.  Many people participate in a large number of groups.
Brian K - 29 Jun 2008 19:12 GMT
On 6/29/2008 10:00 AM  Jim Davis plucked Senior Frog's Magic Twanger and
said:
>  
>> On 6/27/2008 9:42 AM  Skookum plucked Senior Frog's Magic Twanger and
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
>  
Reply to both DevilsPGD and Jim Davis. Assuming that the migration was
due to being fed up with the situation in the given newsgroup: spam,
flame wars, really OT posts, etc...why would they want to come back?

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Jim Davis - 29 Jun 2008 19:55 GMT
> On 6/29/2008 10:00 AM  Jim Davis plucked Senior Frog's Magic Twanger and
> said:
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> to being fed up with the situation in the given newsgroup: spam, flame
> wars, really OT posts, etc...why would they want to come back?

I belong to Business Travel in the Google Groups.  It's a great group, but
not much traffic.  RTA and RT-usa-canada still have some good posts.  It's
all how the individual feels.
DevilsPGD - 30 Jun 2008 04:37 GMT
>Reply to both DevilsPGD and Jim Davis. Assuming that the migration was
>due to being fed up with the situation in the given newsgroup: spam,
>flame wars, really OT posts, etc...why would they want to come back?

Three or four killfile entries seem to have cleaned up this group
nicely.
Skookum - 01 Jul 2008 13:17 GMT
> On 6/29/2008 10:00 AM  Jim Davis plucked Senior Frog's Magic Twanger and
> said:
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>  "Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once!"
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It's not a matter of coming back on a regular basis but, like me, now
only occasionally, peeping in. I presumed that I was not the only
former frequent user who did this and also that some long term users
might still be visiting but who have found other places to look as
well. The "existence proof" of such people has already been
demonstrated by this thread.
East coaster - 31 Jul 2008 00:54 GMT
On Jun 29, 2:12 pm, Brian K <brian1951B...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 6/29/2008 10:00 AM Jim Davis plucked Senior Frog's Magic Twanger and
> said:
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> "Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once!"
> View My Web Page:http://home.earthlink.net/~brian1951

It's not a matter of coming back on a regular basis but, like me, now
only occasionally, peeping in. I presumed that I was not the only
former frequent user who did this and also that some long term users
might still be visiting but who have found other places to look as
well. The "existence proof" of such people has already been
demonstrated by this thread.

I might also recommend - if you start to use Outlook Express/some
newsreader that you connect to group,  download  ( all , a certain number
of messages - mine is set to 500) and if 'that's enough messages' then
highlight group and CATCH UP. That means as of now there are NO NEW
messages. Next day / week when you login you only see NEW messages AND
with your filters setup ( in my last message) you might only see 10 new
messages not the 100 junk emails too.
Mimi - 01 Jul 2008 17:40 GMT
> On 6/27/2008 9:42 AM  Skookum plucked Senior Frog's Magic Twanger and
> said:
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> discussion group, I don't think they would be here to tell you about it.
> Maybe you could try to Google 'Moderated Travel Discussion Group'?

I look in here on occasion. But if I have specific questions, I also look at
Fodors' US Forum.  Likewise the forums at www.tripadvisor.com seem quite
busy.

Marianne
Dave Smith - 30 Jun 2008 14:39 GMT
> I have been away from rec.travel.usa-canada for a while and see now
> that it has gotten worse in terms of jackasses peddling their junk and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> selling sneakers etc. can't even get in the virtual door with their
> crap?

Why not just use your news readers filter function to get rid of the spam.
Use key words like shoes, watches, replica and, best of all, filter any
sender containing  gmail.
Brian K - 30 Jun 2008 17:22 GMT
On 6/30/2008 9:39 AM  Dave Smith plucked Senior Frog's Magic Twanger and
said:

>  
>> I have been away from rec.travel.usa-canada for a while and see now
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>  
Some gemail senders are legitimate. Doesn't make more sense to filter on
user ID? I've noticed the same user ID posting spam under different  
domains.  By filtering a common domain don't you sort of throw the baby
out with the bath water? Since very little from Taiwan is legit. I find
using partial domains  like "contains com.tw" to eliminate all posts
from Taiwan.  The exception to this rule might be scientific news
groups  where  many  Taiwanese, Japanese, South  Korean, Indian and
Bengali contribute articles those with scientific wish to read.

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East coaster - 31 Jul 2008 00:50 GMT
>> Are there any moderated newsgroups where twits
>> selling sneakers etc. can't even get in the virtual door with their
>> crap?

I use Outlook Express and
Tools - Message Rules ...

Where the Subject line contains:

immigrant    illegal   Britney  baby    bumps    drinks    laws    ie7
santos    currency    america    paypal    amex    acer     bush
gateway    vaio    aopen    clinton    hillary   pedro    evil  mexican
limbaugh    schill    racism    hawaii    Princess    voyager  Edmonton
Pahrump    france    paris    apartment    malta    croatia    iraq
cash    poland    shoot    ukrain    troll   muslim    arab    toshiba
fascist    police    israel    terr    draconian    japan   avertec
disease    french      gay  Xbox    .... ...

Mark as read  ( or DELETE etc)
and
add a new word  as time  goes by.
I never even see those !

Or choose FROM field - up to you.

Just click your rule and MODIFY to add 'that word'.

Often times you'll see 25 messages  that have  BUSH or 'Boycott France'
or  'so and so has a baby bump'  - like I care - so add to your  " delete
it " group .  If already download - then with rules displayed, choose your
group and click APPLY NOW and it will scan all messages for those
words/senders ( words can be in TITLE or in BODY of message - you choose.

Play with it a bit. Once you get the idea - it's easy to add/modify.
James Silverton - 31 Jul 2008 12:40 GMT
East  wrote  on Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:50:36 -0400:

>>> Are there any moderated newsgroups where twits
>>> selling sneakers etc. can't even get in the virtual door
>>> with their crap?

> I use Outlook Express and
> Tools - Message Rules ...

> Where the Subject line contains:

> immigrant    illegal   Britney  baby    bumps    drinks   laws    ie7
> santos    currency    america    paypal    amex   acer     bush
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> fascist    police israel    terr    draconian    japan   avertec
> disease   french      gay  Xbox    .... ...

> Mark as read  ( or DELETE etc)
>  and
> add a new word  as time  goes by.
> I never even see those !

Many more than I seem to need, tho' I have a lot in common :-) I would
expect that the more words in your list the longer the news will take to
appear. I wonder if this question has been asked in the Outlook Express
news groups?
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- Bobb - - 31 Jul 2008 14:14 GMT
>>>> Are there any moderated newsgroups where twits
>>>> selling sneakers etc. can't even get in the virtual door
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> appear. I wonder if this question has been asked in the Outlook Express
> news groups?

I have similar settings - NO noticeable time lag.
The entire file on my pc from any given group might be 1mb - 3mb.
Note on MY PC, Outlook express is set to only download HEADERS in plain
text, THEN if I OPEN that note, it fetches the rest of the article, so as
it downloads the header (title) it just deletes it if a match. ( and I
probably have 300-400  'words to match'.)

I think most people set it that way . click on "newsgroup provider name"
and click 'settings' - or tools - accounts - settings. Choose HEADERS .
Bert Hyman - 30 Jun 2008 16:35 GMT
> I have been away from rec.travel.usa-canada for a while and see now
> that it has gotten worse in terms of jackasses peddling their junk
> and stupid irrelevant opinions. Too bad. it used to informative and
> fun to be part of the various threads.

Stop using googlegroups.

Subscribe to a real news service provider.

Start using a real newsreader.

And did I say stop using googlegroups?

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Brian K - 30 Jun 2008 18:55 GMT
On 6/30/2008 11:35 AM  Bert Hyman plucked Senior Frog's Magic Twanger
and said:

>  
>> I have been away from rec.travel.usa-canada for a while and see now
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>  
For those who don't want to pay an additional fee if your ISP doesn't
have a news server, there are a few free news servers out there if you
look: Terra News - http://www.teranews.com/

Web Page for download of Server Hound a search engine dedicated to
finding free news servers.
http://www.newsbin.com/opennews.htm

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Skookum - 01 Jul 2008 13:14 GMT
> > I have been away from rec.travel.usa-canada for a while and see now
> > that it has gotten worse in terms of jackasses peddling their junk
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> --
> Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | b...@iphouse.com

An d your suggestion, more specifically, for a "real newsreader" is...?
Bert Hyman - 01 Jul 2008 16:38 GMT
>> nd...@uniserve.com (Skookum) wrote
>> innews:8899e4c1-bfb3-4b2f-9abf-0382f7fe
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> An d your suggestion, more specifically, for a "real newsreader"
> is...?

There's a lot of 'em out there, but the one I've been using for a long
time is Xnews, and so far I haven't felt a need to find another one.
Unfortunately, development on it has stopped, so what you see is what
you get. The documentation is pretty lame too.

It's free.

Download and install the "release" version, then download and install
the "TEST" version on top of it. It's no more a "test" version than is
the "release" version. There's no real installation; simply copy the
files to a convenient directory.

There'a a lot of traffic (a LOT of traffic) about Xnews in
news.software.readers. Any questions you might have about it have
probably been asked and answered there a dozen times.

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