Travel Forum / Destinations / USA and Canada / October 2005

rk73...@yahoo.com wrote:

Big cities, rural, or small towns?  In general less than CA and more
than KS.

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

You could, but you'll probably die if you are not used to it.

Very dry skin.  Uncomfortable if you are not used to it.

Big cities, rural or small towns?

Do people live in Kansas?

Cultured crime? What a concept!

Ba-hahahahahahahahahaha.

Like openeing an over door instead of a sauna.

The values are about 456. 37 and 3,228.90, I believe

And you got neither - except Number 3

Arizona is a big state.  Culture varies a lot from city to city.
Weather varies a lot depending on altitude.

#3 HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<rk73737@yahoo.com> wrote...

 As someone's said already, cheaper than CA but a whole lot more than most
of the Midwest. Expect to be shocked at housing prices and definitely
compare your current area's cost of living with that of any potential new
home area.

 I think we're highest in the US for auto theft.

 Folks living at the lower elevations learn to exercise at 4-6 AM in the
summer, I'm told. But then, I'm at 7000' in Flagstaff with mild summers so
I'm just relaying what I hear from the Valley's outdoorsy folks.

 It will take getting used to. Drink lots of water and try not to become
addicted to Chapstick.

 Come visit and find out. Overall statewide, it's the typical "more than a
couple hundred miles west of the Mississippi River" laid-back US attitude.
There's little need to dress up in coat and tie unless you want to. Outside
of the cities, check for zoning issues if this could bother you. Many of the
semi-rural areas may have pockets of housing where a $500k new home is with
eyeshot of a couple old residential trailers and expensive homes could be
next-door neighbors to someone who feels it important to keep broken items
in the yard "in case they need parts from it some day."

 One thing to consider if the summer heat's too much for you is to move to
the higher elevations in AZ with cooler summers and some snow in winter.
Unlike most of the US's colder climes, here in AZ, when we high-elevation
folk get tired of winter's snow, we hop in our car and drive 20-40 minutes
to a lower warmer elevation. Here in Flagstaff, during the winter I can be
on a hiking trail in Sedona's Red Rock area of the Coconino National Forest
in about 45 minutes and for the 2-3 days that Sedona's even a bit chilly, I
can be in Phoenix in 2.5 hr, assuming that the Interstate isn't closed due
to a wreck or nearby wildfire.

Craig

Why would you consider moving somewhere without visiting first?

In between.  More like Kansas

As almost every state it has a huge range in the state and depends on
the crime involved.

I certainly would not.  Run very early or very late and carry lots of water.

Dry.  What would you expect.  One downside is that you can sweat out a
lot of water and not notice.

Again the range is huge.  Reservations and small mining towns are
completely different from Scotsdale.

On June 13, I said:
<< A few years ago, I visited the museum in the old Arizona State
Capitol. It was quite memorable because of the countless typographical,
grammatical, and factual errors in the descriptions of the displays. It
caused me to enquire about Arizona's ranking in US education:
Forty-seventh! I wasn't surprised. >>

Icono Clast - 3 September 1999
Subject: Re: Trip to both east and west coasts

m...@my-deja.com wrote:

I hate to say anything positive about that Right-To-Work-For-Less
state of Arizona that competes with California for the worst
educational system in the USA.
        But I'm compelled to say that we did some running around and
exploring of downtown Phoenix and found much public art in which to
delight and several very nice civic buildings. We also stopped at the
CAVA (I think) Center to give it a good looking-over that I can
recommend for anyone to do, especially its nice little park.
        OTOH, we were the only living creatures in sight on a Friday
afternoon. It seemed such a shame that there were such large and
lovely spaces available for a public that wasn't using them. I guess
they were inside breathing cool, dry, air while we were sweating in
the 108-degree, July 2, heat.

Icono Clast - 7 January 2004
Subject: cost of living of usa cities

onniean...@aol.com (Lonnieanixt) wrote:

You can't even find one here for such a low price.

Arizona is a Right-to-Work-for-Less state where supermarket checkers,
the last time I asked, were paid half as much as those here.

I spend most US Independence Days in Scottsdale. The temperature is
usually around 108°F, often getting up to about 113°F. Perfect?

You ask about prices. You should ask about costs. And wages. And the
educational system that's so bad I was moved to ask about it based on
the evidence I saw almost everywhere I looked. Also, the last time I
looked, it had just about the highest violent crime rate in the USA.

Although I've enquired of Arizona real estate agents the average annual
utility bill, they answer with vaguenesses that lead me to believe
they're extremely high.

I've also asked them about pest control, another expense about which
they refuse to talk. I've heard, but cannot confirm, that they're
required twice a year.

You couldn't pay me to live in [Arizona]

Dave Hatunen, an emigrant to Tucson, will disagree.
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This is a really dumb question.   You would move to AZ based on what a some
possible a.sholes on the internet told you??   Pls get a life..

p.s.   Arizona is a wonderful place to live, but that's only my opinion..

I lived in Phoenix for a year.  Coming from a colder climate with
seasons, it was a real switch!

The cost of living is pretty decent.  Crime isn't too bad (compared to
most US cities), but coming from Canada, I couldn't watch the news - it
freaked me out too much.

I used to work out in the summer in the early AM (hiked Squaw Peak) and
it was HOT - but you get used to it and get an awesome workout.  I
would run after work when the sun went down.  It was still really hot,
but I could go for a long run then.

It is true that a DRY heat is very easy to handle compared to a humid
climate.  Very tolerable.  When it does rain - it's hilarious!  People
freak out!  The airport even closed once when I lived there because of
<what I would consider to be> moderate rainfall.

I'd say the people are a real mix in Phoenix.  Lots of rich snobs
(Scottsdale), a lot of plastic people like in LA (blondes with boob
jobs and fake tans), and then there are a lot of normal working class
people.  One thing I did notice was lots of Hispanic (because of close
proximity to Mexico?) - driving to work I'd always see a bunch of
mexican gardeners in the back of a pick-up - like the cliche!  No word
of a lie!  But, it's weird for me to see so many hispanics because I am
Canadian.  I am used to the Asian immigrant population.

I've worked in many US cities (and with a lot of Americans) and almost
all of us are in agreement that Phoenix is one of the best U.S. cities
to live in.

There is literally NO traffic compared to most big US Cities (I found
Houston to be the worst), it's almost like a big suberb rather than a
city - I liked this.  The climate may be HOT, but it is really great to
live in a city that doesn't have any major weather problems (tornadoes,
hurricanes, winter storms, constant rainfall, heavy winds).

Other cities like Flagstaff and Sedona are awesome, but not many job
prospects there.  I'd stay away from Tucson.  It's a great place to
visit, but it's kind of dirty and lots of homeless (at least, when I
lived there several years back).

Anyway, good luck!  
Paula

cost of living - lower than Cal. higher than the midwest
crime - property crime's high throughout the state ; violent crime is
VERY high in
Phoenix but low elsewhere
3. it's hotter than all hell
4. hard to answer
5. the vibe differs depending where you're at. small towns are
different from big
cities. of the two big cities - Tucson is pretty nice as a whole, while
Phoenix is
like Los Angeles without ANY of L.A.'s good aspects and all of its bad
aspects.