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Travel Forum / Destinations / USA and Canada / February 2006Southwest Utah via Las Vegas.
We're looking at visiting Southwest Utah the 2nd two weeks of April, flying into Las Vegas because flights are a lot less than to SLC. Can anyone recommend a driving loop from Las Vegas back to Las Vegas that will allow us to see a lot of the scenery while not making us slaves to a car? We're not averse to long walks as long as they're of the easy variety, and we'd like to get in some horseback riding and maybe a touristy-type raft ride. I want to see Lake Powell on this trip, but that's the only real 'must'. The hard part will be choosing between all the possibilities, and that's where we could use some help. I've already received Utah's travel guide, and we have the Insight Guide. I'll pick up the AAA book tomorrow, but if there's something else we should read, please let us know. Otherwise, any and all help will be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Keith > We're looking at visiting Southwest Utah the 2nd two weeks of April, > flying into Las Vegas because flights are a lot less than to SLC. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Thanks in advance, > Keith I'd have to look at the map to suggest an actual loop. But I will suggest that Zion and Bryce, both in SW Utah, are among the most stunningly beautiful places I have ever seen. > > We're looking at visiting Southwest Utah the 2nd two weeks of April, > > flying into Las Vegas because flights are a lot less than to SLC. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > that Zion and Bryce, both in SW Utah, are among the most stunningly > beautiful places I have ever seen. A strong second for Zion and Bryce and you can take short or long walks at both. >> We're looking at visiting Southwest Utah the 2nd two weeks of April, >> flying into Las Vegas because flights are a lot less than to SLC. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > that Zion and Bryce, both in SW Utah, are among the most stunningly > beautiful places I have ever seen. Thanks. Both are on the list now. > We're looking at visiting Southwest Utah the 2nd two weeks of April, flying > into Las Vegas because flights are a lot less than to SLC. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Thanks in advance, > Keith I suggest you check out grandcircle.org. Check other sites with the name "Grand Circle". >> We're looking at visiting Southwest Utah the 2nd two weeks of April, >> flying [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > I suggest you check out grandcircle.org. Check other sites with the > name "Grand Circle". We've traveled with GC many times, but prefer to travel the English-speaking world on our own. Thanks though. > >> We're looking at visiting Southwest Utah the 2nd two weeks of April, > >> flying [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > We've traveled with GC many times, but prefer to travel the English-speaking > world on our own. Thanks though. No, not the travel agency Grand Circle. But this whole area (southern Utah, northern Arizona) is referred to as the Grand Circle. If you do a search, excluding the travel agency, you'll see a lot of reference to this area as the Grand Circle. For example try these:: http://www.grandcircle.org/ http://www.utah.com/nationalparks/grandcircle.htm > We're looking at visiting Southwest Utah the 2nd two weeks of April, flying > into Las Vegas because flights are a lot less than to SLC. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > 'must'. The hard part will be choosing between all the possibilities, and > that's where we could use some help. Have you been to the Grand Canyon? If not, visit the South Rim and the red rock country near Sedona and Oak Creek Canyon. If you've been to the South Rim, than drive past the North Rim which unfortunately will be closed. Stop at Pipe Spring NM, it's one of the few cultural things you'll see, and it's directly on the way. Which ever way you go, you'll end up in Page. I've never been out on Lake Powell, but while in Page visit the wonderfully scenic narrow slot canyon, Antelope Canyon. I find the lower canyon (take a left on the road before the power station a short ways to entrance) to be more scenic and it is fun to go through. Continue on to Monument Valley, and nearby Goosenecks State Park. Then make a detour to the south for Canyon de Chelley NM and take a ride up both canyons in the back of a truck with a Navajo guide. Then continue north back to Utah to Moab (maybe river rafting) and Arches NP and Canyonlands NP. Continue north to I-70 and take Utah-24 south west through Capitol Reef NP. After CRNP, take Utah-12 to Bryce NP (possible horseback to bottom of canyon). This is a very scenic drive . Stop at Anasazi Indian Village SP on the way. From there drive through Zion NP on the way back to Las Vegas. There are other nearby places to visit if you have the time. I've done much of this trip in a week with time to do hikes in most places, so your two weeks should be fine. The nice thng is that all of the places are somewhat the same, but also very different. In Aprl I don't know whether there will be river rafting or horseback riding. George >> We're looking at visiting Southwest Utah the 2nd two weeks of April, >> flying [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > George We've actually spent a lot of time in Arizona over the years, so we're concentrating on Utah this trip. We don't want to miss much, but don't wish to be slaves to the road either. Your ideas for Utah kind of touch on everything, which is what we were looking for. Thanks > We've actually spent a lot of time in Arizona over the years, so we're > concentrating on Utah this trip. We don't want to miss much, but don't wish > to be slaves to the road either. Your ideas for Utah kind of touch on > everything, which is what we were looking for. If you're not going to northern Arizona, then you might like to also go to Dinosaur NM in the NE corner of Utah. The dinosaur quarry full of their bones is nice. You could then also see Flaming Gorge on the Utah-Wyoming border. The Wasatch Mountains would be nice, but probably not in April. Two nearby places in Colorado may be worth visiting if you haven't been there: Mesa Verde NP for the cliff dwellings and Colorado NM for the red rock scenery. You should have a good trip. Utah is my favorite state. George There are some great tips in this post by George, but you've mention twice that you don't want to be a slave to the car - so I'll offer my suggestions which focus just on Utah - not that the others aren't great. I've been traveling this area as my favorite in the west since 1989, and you might enjoy my post on my last trip to Zion in November at http://vacation-mamma.blogspot.com Depending on what time you arrive in Vegas you might want to take in a solid, if not cheap meal at one of the many casinos. If you arrive in the evening, DO NOT drive east through the Virgin River Gorge - you would miss some of the best scenery in the area, and face a treacherous driving. Look for big horn sheep on the left towards the end of the gorge. Make a stop in St. George Utah to refuel the body or auto and pick up anything you may have forgotten. Spend a few days in Zion via www.xanterra.com. The easiest walk is to the narrows, but there are many others, and the drives offer wonderful vantage points for photos and viewing. Next stop Bryce Canyon. I've only camped just outside the park, but see if you can stay inside. This is an amazing place, and if you are in good enough shape, hike into the canyon - my favorite of all time and with kids too! Basically Zion is looking up from canyon floors, and Bryce is looking down. Try to spend enough time at both parks to see them in the different lights. Head east and Stop and explore Capitol Reef. Great for easy hikes/walks. Continue to Arches NP, stay in Moab, and explore Canyonlands (which is vast and has two distinct sides). I like the Needles area personally and have dreamed of 4 wheeling in the maze but never done it. There is a canyon overlook trail in Needles (mountain biked) that I will never ever forget - lying on my stomach and looking at the rivers below - left far more of an impression than the Grand Canyon can. Come back west via the scenic route (Escalante). The scariest motel ever slept in is in Henriville (or it was in 1989). I haven't rafted in the area, nor would I put Lake Powell on this itinerary, but check out the maps I'm sure you can do it. We've only stopped there travelling from Grand Canyon to Bryce, but not as a destination yet. If you do, find a tour company to take you on the lake, or the beauty is somewhat lost, from my understanding. Thank you Mamma, I've saved all this and will look at your blog later on. We don't plan to spend any time at all in Las Vegas, and hope to drive down to Boulder City for our first night, then take off the next day with the drive along Lake Mead before heading up into Utah. Your other points are well taken, and this trip is taking shape already. Keith > There are some great tips in this post by George, but you've mention > twice that you don't want to be a slave to the car - so I'll offer my [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > destination yet. If you do, find a tour company to take you on the > lake, or the beauty is somewhat lost, from my understanding. Keith, Sounds like a fun trip covered much of the same area a couple times in the past, but unfortunately didn't have time to really check out the area that well. Next time I'll take the car, at least 10 days, and 20 rolls of film. Any questions fire away. Kevin > We're looking at visiting Southwest Utah the 2nd two weeks of April, flying > into Las Vegas because flights are a lot less than to SLC. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Thanks in advance, > Keith > Keith, > > Sounds like a fun trip covered much of the same area a couple times in the > past, but unfortunately didn't have time to really check out the area that > well. Next time I'll take the car, at least 10 days, and 20 rolls of film. > Any questions fire away. Rolls of film? That's so last century. > Kevin > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Thanks in advance, > > Keith >> Keith, >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Rolls of film? That's so last century. Please, that's my wife you're talking about. >> Kevin >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> > Thanks in advance, >> > Keith > > Keith, > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Rolls of film? That's so last century. Peter, That might be, but you'd be surprised at just what some of those 20-30 year old cameras and lenses can do in the right hands. I haven't seen any pics of Ansel with a digital in his hands just yet. Kevin > > > Keith, > > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > old cameras and lenses can do in the right hands. I haven't seen any pics of > Ansel with a digital in his hands just yet. I know the really professional scenic photographers still use film. But I'd bet that had Ansel Adam lived today he'd be digital, at least partially. > Kevin > Keith, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Kevin Thanks Kevin, and I've replied to your email. >> We're looking at visiting Southwest Utah the 2nd two weeks of April, > flying [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> Thanks in advance, >> Keith Keith - While you are at AAA, get their map "Indian Country". It is a much better map than the one of the individual states. There you'll see all the sites being discussed particularly around the four corners area. The coverage around Capitol Reef and northwards is lacking, though. Still, difficult to find a better map unless you get one of the topos. Lawrence > Keith - > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Lawrence Thanks. I'll stop back and ask for one. >While you are at AAA, get their map "Indian Country". It is a much better >map than the one of the individual states. There you'll see all the sites >being discussed particularly around the four corners area. The coverage >around Capitol Reef and northwards is lacking, though. Still, difficult to >find a better map unless you get one of the topos. The Southern California Automobile Club "Indian Country" map is very good for much of the area, but (as noted above) doesn't cover the northern half of Capitol Reef, the Moab area (Canyonlands' Island in the Sky, Arches National Park), or the Las Vegas area. But it *does* include areas far afield of the Grand Circle (from Alamosa, Colorado to Abuquerque, New Mexico). BTW, this map is for sale to the public throughout the region -- not just at AAA offices -- for about $4. Another good one for the larger area is Colorado Plateau map by the Time Travelers company. For just Southern Utah, the Utah Travel Council puts out very detailed maps of Southwestern Utah, Southeastern Utah, etc. The best maps for use within the various parks are the National Geographic/Trails Illustrated series. For Lake Powell, the Stan Jones maps (and guide) is the standard, but for safe boating (especially at low water levels) the Fish-n-Map people publish maps that show underwater contour lines. Caveat >We're looking at visiting Southwest Utah the 2nd two weeks of April, flying >into Las Vegas because flights are a lot less than to SLC. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >'must'. The hard part will be choosing between all the possibilities, and >that's where we could use some help.... Keith, you haven't given us enough information to make any detailed suggestions on a route. Will you be staying in motels or camping? (There are no motels within Capitol Reef National Park). Are you ready for freezing temperatures at night if you camp? (The high desert gets quite cold -- especially at high elevations like at Bryce -- where it can snow in April.) Will you have your own vehicle, or a rental? (Rentals can't usually be driven on routes through Cottonwood Canyon, Bullfrog-Notom, Hole-in-the-Rock, the east end of the Burr Trail , or the Moki Dugway). Is the vehicle a high clearance or 4wd? (Without it, you will be severely limited -- rain could even cause unpaved roads to become impassable to any kind of vehicle.) The Grand Circle loop (which is not a travel agency) is the obvious answer to the question of a general route. But there are many variations to that. Lake Powell is best seen from a rented 18' powerboat (from Bullfrog, not Wahweap). The Navajo Reservation poses some unique challenges for the unwary. Permits/guides are necessary. There are mild Colorado river raft trips (which include drop-off and pickup) from below Glen Canyon Dam to Lee's Ferry. But that's not in the Grand Canyon. Are you interested in seeing big canyons, or slot canyons? How good are your hiking skills? Are you aware of the flash flood dangers that the high desert poses? Etc.... Caveat > Keith, you haven't given us enough information to make any detailed > suggestions on a route. We'll be driving a rented vehicle, not sure exactly what at this point, but most likely a car.. We'll probably do our off-roading on rented atv's and possibly a jeep tour or two. We'll also be sleeping indoors - hotels, motels, b&b's: the specifics will depend on the exact route. Grand Canyon isn't in our plans for this trip, so thanks for the tip about rafting below Glen Canyon. We expect that there will be places we can't go, and that's fine. Our hiking skills are fine, but my wife's knees, even after surgery, won't do what they used to, so we're only looking for easier walks. We've amassed a lot of information in just a week; easily enough to fill several vacations. Now we have to start working with everything and see what comes of it. thanks, Keith >> Keith, you haven't given us enough information to make any detailed >> suggestions on a route. >We'll be driving a rented vehicle, not sure exactly what at this point, but >most likely a car.. That pretty much rules out much of the area, unfortunately. If you can, rent a small 4wd/AWD SUV. If you rent a car, read the contract terms carefully because they may exclude driving the vehicle off paved roads. If you choose to ignore the contract restrictions (if any) then you are on your own. Some roads may be OK (Moki Dugway), but others definitely not. Some will be closed to all passage due to snow, flooding or mud. You will be a long way from help if you get stuck. Check with the area managers (BLM, NPS, GCRA, NFS) to see what condition the roads are in. There is good info available at Fredonia, Jacob Lake, Big Water, Escalante, Bullfrog, and Paria Canyon Ranger Station (if it opens early this year). The GCNP North Rim Road may also be passable early (but didn't open until mid May last year). It will all depend on what happens with the weather between now and then. Last April it was very wet and many roads were closed. This year has been very dry here in Arizona, so far (no rain since last October), but who knows. Take the weather and road warnings seriously. >We'll probably do our off-roading on rented atv's and possibly a jeep tour >or two. Moab has rental jeeps and you could easily spend a week exploring in that area -- both on and off-road. Canyonlands National Park's Island in the Sky road will take you to Dead Horse Point (a State Park) and can be accessed on paved roads. Ditto for Arches N.P. and portions of the Needles District. In a rented Jeep you could also do a portion of the White Rim trail from Moab. The spectacle doesn't get much better than that in Canyon Country. Check with the N.P. office in Moab. >We'll also be sleeping indoors - hotels, motels, b&b's: the >specifics will depend on the exact route... If it were my trip, I'd head up I-15, then to Zion N.P. on the first day. Stay at Springdale and tour the park. The Visitor's Center will have all the maps and guidebooks referenced earlier in this thread. From there go east on Route 9 to Mt. Carmel Junction, then north on 89 to the turnoff to Bryce (this section can be icy). The road inside Bryce N.P. to Rainbow Point may be closed, but drive it if it is open. (Note: all these Parks will want $20 as an entrance fee.) From Bryce, head east to Escalante, then to Boulder and then north on Route 12 over Boulder Mountain (expect snow) to Torrey (where there are motels). Do Capitol Reef N.P. on the paved roads at Fruita -- where there are also some very nice dayhikes. From there east to Hanksville, then north on Rt. 24 to I-70. Then go east, then south to Moab. This will be off-season, so there will be accommodation available everywhere along the above route in the small Mormon towns. Moab is worth several days to a week. From there, go south on 191 to Blanding. From there are several options: South through Bluff and Mexican Hat to Monument Valley (in Arizona), and west to Tuba, then north to Page (Glen Canyon), and a jog onto the Kaibab Plateau, Jacob Lake (GC North Rim Road), and back to I-15. Or you could go west from Blanding to Natural Bridges, on to Hite, then to Bullfrog and Lake Powell. Or you could go south from Natural Bridges down the Moki Dugway to the Goosenecks, Mexican Hat, and into Monument Valley. (Note that from Page, you can also bypass the Kaibab Plateau route (89A is often closed in April) and go via Route 89 to the Paria Canyon area (fabulous slot canyon hiking) to Kanab (motels), then back through Hurricane to I-15. This all assumes that you want to bypass the South Rim of GCNP, and I-40 through Arizona back to Vegas.) The above is just an off-the-top-of-the-head list of possibilities. If you need any detailed info on any of the above routes or places, just ask. The good news is that it won't be crowded there in April :-). Caveat >>We're looking at visiting Southwest Utah the 2nd two weeks of April, flying >>into Las Vegas because flights are a lot less than to SLC. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >at night if you camp? (The high desert gets quite cold -- especially >at high elevations like at Bryce -- where it can snow in April.) I was there in Mid May, 04 and it snowed. The day before it was in the 70s in Zion canyon. >Will you have your own vehicle, or a rental? (Rentals can't usually be >driven on routes through Cottonwood Canyon, Bullfrog-Notom, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Caveat Caveat, and everyone else, thanks for all the useful information. We have a lot to sift through, but have meanwhile purchased plane tickets so we're definitely going. These comments and questions are for all: I think we'll rent a car for the overall trip. If we get somewhere and really want a jeep we'll look for a daily rental. To rent an actual 4WD SUV in Las Vegas, once they're done with taxes and fees, would cost more than plane tickets, and nobody will guarantee availability of a 4WD!. I don't see where anyone rents Audis or Subarus, either. Considering our dates of travel (last two weeks in April), where would we find safe (snowless) horseback riding? I see riding available beginning in March. If a place is operating should we assume it's safe? Comfortable? Also, a more generic question. Our first night will be at Lake Mead, only because we arrive late afternoon and will be tired. If we drive up the west side of the lake and head for Zion NP, should we plan on more than one night near Zion? What's the logical next stop for a few nights on the way to Moab? I don't really want to cover great distances, and don't mind overnights for just a night. To simplify, we want to spend a few days at Lake Powell (Page, probably) only to satisfy a 'might have been' on my part. It's been on my mind since I was a boy soldier in Vietnam, and my mother sent me a NG with a spread on the then new dam. It looks like Moab will be a good center for several other days. (Is it pronounced Mo-ab or Mobe?). Is another nearby town better? Is there anywhere else that we should really plan a night or two? I think near Escalante because there are ATV tours there, and we're comfortable with bikes. I'm sorry if this is disjointed, but I started hours ago and have had many distractions. I'm sure I'll be back with more questions. Keith >Caveat, and everyone else, thanks for all the useful information. We have >a lot to sift through, but have meanwhile purchased plane tickets so we're [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >plane tickets, and nobody will guarantee availability of a 4WD!. I don't >see where anyone rents Audis or Subarus, either. Just watch the weather and road conditions, and you'll be fine. If the Bryce and Boulder Mountain areas are dicey, just bypass them and head up I-15 to I-70. Chances are, though, you won't have a problem. >Considering our dates of travel (last two weeks in April), where would we >find safe (snowless) horseback riding? I see riding available beginning in >March. If a place is operating should we assume it's safe? Comfortable? Anything below 7,000.' will be snowless and fine for most any activity. The biggest problem would be access if it is rainy. I don't do horses, but if you can probably find horse trips around Escalante, and they could take you to the fabulous slot canyons in that area. Asked at the new, fancy multi-agency visitor's center west of town. http://www.ecohike.com/trips.htm Also, east of Moab (about 15 miles up the Colorado River, before you get to the Fisher Towers turnoff) there's a ranch that does that. There are many more in the area, I believe. Regarding "comfortable " I wouldn't consider any horse trip thusly -- but that's my hangup ;-). http://www.discovermoab.com/ http://www.utah.com/moab/ >Also, a more generic question. Our first night will be at Lake Mead, only >because we arrive late afternoon and will be tired. If we drive up the west >side of the lake and head for Zion NP, should we plan on more than one night >near Zion? The way to Zion is up I-15 from Vegas. Lake Mead isn't very interesting IMO. But you might want to visit the (crowded) Dam. Zion N.P is a fabulous place and good for many days. Do Angel's Landing and the Virgin River Narrows if the runoff isn't too high. Springdale is a nice little town with free shuttle bus service into the Park. http://www.nps.gov/zion/home.htm http://www.zionnationalpark.com/ >What's the logical next stop for a few nights on the way to >Moab? I don't really want to cover great distances, and don't mind >overnights for just a night. Weather and road conditions permitting, Bryce (good for only a day, probably), Escalante (a couple of days), Torrey/Capitol Reef (a day), then on to Moab (lots to see in the area). >To simplify, we want to spend a few days at Lake Powell (Page, probably) >only to satisfy a 'might have been' on my part. It's been on my mind since >I was a boy soldier in Vietnam, and my mother sent me a NG with a spread on >the then new dam. Yeah, I did Glen Canyon before the damn dam. But Page isn't very interesting -- although Antelope Canyon is a nice (if expensive) trip into THE best-known slot canyon in the world. The Lake (think reservoir) is low and boat traffic out of Wahweap is awful right now. >It looks like Moab will be a good center for several other days. (Is it >pronounced Mo-ab or Mobe?). Mo-ab (like co-hab). >Is another nearby town better? There aren't any nearby towns. It's Rez land for many miles to the south and east, and nada to the northwest until you get to Kanab. Flag is kinda nice, but out of your way. Nice scenery while cruising around the area, though. The views of Marble Canyon are pretty impressive. >Is there anywhere else that we should really plan a night or two? I think >near Escalante because there are ATV tours there, and we're comfortable with >bikes. This would be another way to see the fabled slot canyons off the Hole-in-the-Rock Road, but check with the FS/NPS/GCNRA office in Escalante about ATV use on the roads/trail (there are restrictions). >I'm sorry if this is disjointed, but I started hours ago and have had many >distractions. I'm sure I'll be back with more questions. Ask away, amigo. (We don't leave for Molokai for four more weeks.) Caveat >Caveat, and everyone else, thanks for all the useful information. We have >a lot to sift through, but have meanwhile purchased plane tickets so we're [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >Moab? I don't really want to cover great distances, and don't mind >overnights for just a night. Definitely spend two nights near Zion. There will be a lot to see in one whole day. You will likely be too tired to want to drive any distance after a whole day there. Check out the Desert Pearl. This is a hotel that was built with old railroad ties taken from a trestle that used to span the Great Salt Lake. The views from the rooms are great. They also have a very pretty pool/hot tub area. >To simplify, we want to spend a few days at Lake Powell (Page, probably) >only to satisfy a 'might have been' on my part. It's been on my mind since [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Keith Try to include the Moki Dugway and the San Juan goosenecks. A couple of links (there are many more): http://www.so-utah.com/souteast/powerdrv/mokidgwy/homepage.html http://www.durangobill.com/SanJuan.html >We're looking at visiting Southwest Utah the 2nd two weeks of April, flying >into Las Vegas because flights are a lot less than to SLC. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Thanks in advance, >Keith I am so envious. I want to do it again after doing it in May, 2004. The North Rim had just opened a little earlier than normal so we managed to get to drive through some of the most beautiful alpine meadows to get there. On the way we were fortunate to see a Kaibab Squirrel run across the road in front of us. They are unique to the area and unique looking as well. Zion and Bryce are the must do's. Zion would be better when it is warmer, so that you could hike back into the narrow Virgin River Canyon, but even the hike back to the end of the path is a nice one and easy, too. Recommendation for Bryce: The restrooms are at the far south end and near the northern entrance. I wish, for my wife's sake, i would have known that. We drove all the way to the South end, where I used the facility and she did not. Then we worked our way back northward pulling into all the overlooks. The overlooks are almost exclusively on the east side of the road, so it is easier to do them in this direction. By the time we got two thirds of the way back she was sorry she didn't.... well, you know! During the course of the trip I ended up purchasing more memory cards for my camera, and I made good use of them. Seems everytime we were somwhere I might have been able to get the pictures transferred to a cd, the place was closed for the day. So if you are going digital, make sure you have enough storage. The drive to Bryce will take you through Zion NP so on that day, if you haven't purchased the $50 parks pass you might have to pay again. I recommend the pass. The drive from Interstate 15, across the north side of the Grand Canyon, you can either go through Zion or past Pipe Springs National Monument on your way to the N Rim, or Lake Powell. This is not much of a place to go out of your way for, unless you are into history. After stopping there on the way through (we had the Pass so it was free), we did not regret the time we spent there, but we woulld not go out of our way to see it again. I wish we had spent more time in Utah. It is incredibly beautiful. Russ |
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