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bob and shel - 22 Mar 2006 19:18 GMT
Hi all,

I plan to be going with a group of friends to the Niagara Falls (we
heard the Canada side was slightly less "touristy" so are thinking of
that) area in the fall of 2006.  We are a group of moms who enjoy
outdoor activities such as hiking, seeing the falls (and other
falls/nature activities if near-by), visiting museums/old homes, going
on tours of establishments unique to the area, maybe winery tours, and
just generally relaxing.

We don't enjoy amusement park/fun house type things.

I have googled, but there is so much info I would like your experiences
as to what we "must see".  Just wondering things like, are the aviary
tours and the butterfly tours worth the cost.... stuff like that.

Any tips on what we "must" see or where people have enjoyed staying.  We
wouldn't use a pool with a huge waterpark type area, though would
certainly be willing to stay there if the place is reasonably priced and
nice.  B&Bs would be great too.

Any suggestions?

Thanks Much!!!!

Shelly
clint - 22 Mar 2006 21:38 GMT
Don't miss the casino(American side)
> Hi all,
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> Shelly
jdoe - 23 Mar 2006 02:47 GMT
>Don't miss the casino(American side)

what's wrong with the, IMHO, nicer casino on the canadian side?
PeterL - 22 Mar 2006 23:18 GMT
> Hi all,
>
> I plan to be going with a group of friends to the Niagara Falls (we
> heard the Canada side was slightly less "touristy"

Just the exact opposite.

> so are thinking of
> that) area in the fall of 2006.  We are a group of moms who enjoy
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> Shelly
turkeypointcottages@gmail.com - 22 Mar 2006 23:59 GMT
Must see? Canadian side has better view for sure.
B Vaughan - 31 Mar 2006 21:20 GMT
>Must see? Canadian side has better view for sure.

Mostly because of the awful huge hotels with neon signs on the
Canadian side.

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Dave Smith - 31 Mar 2006 22:16 GMT
> >Must see? Canadian side has better view for sure.
>
> Mostly because of the awful huge hotels with neon signs on the
> Canadian side.

Actually, they are on the Canadian side because they view of the falls is better
from here. It has better for as long as the American falls have run along the
American side of the gorge, seen better from the other side.
jdoe - 31 Mar 2006 23:09 GMT
>> >Must see? Canadian side has better view for sure.
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>from here. It has better for as long as the American falls have run along the
>American side of the gorge, seen better from the other side.

and you're less likely to be shot at while on the canadian side
Travlr - 23 Mar 2006 00:06 GMT
> Hi all,
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>
> Shelly

I go up to Niagara-on-the-lake quite often, living in Pa.  If you have a
passport, do go over to the Canadian side of the Falls, too.  IMHO, the
view is much better and you can get closer.  Both sides are touristy,
though.

As for winery tours, there are many in the area.  Following the water
heading north on the Canadian side leaving the Falls area, you'll pass
the butterfly aviary.  Continue towards NOTL, you'll pass a few winerys.
  (If you like sweet, smooth wine, try the ice wine - delicious but
expensive).  If you have time, the small town of NOTL is cute with
flowers everywhere.  At the flower bedecked Princess Hotel, there are
horse drawn buggys to take you around town. Three playhouses in the town
do plays from George Bernard Shaw and his contemporaries for a fraction
of the price of a NY play.  Its only about 20 minutes from the Falls.

There is a rather good restaurant at the top of the hill overlooking
Niagara-on-the-lake but I can't remember the name.  It is at a
roundabout just before descending down to Lake Ontario.  There is also a
statue there called Brock monument with good views.

Lots of B&B's but I usually stay on the NY side so I can't help in this
area.  Since I am a woman traveling solo just to attend plays, I have
found it much cheaper to return to USA to sleep and re-enter Canada the
next day.
Rt. 62 has plenty......   Travlr
Dave Smith - 23 Mar 2006 00:51 GMT
> I plan to be going with a group of friends to the Niagara Falls (we
> heard the Canada side was slightly less "touristy" so are thinking of
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> on tours of establishments unique to the area, maybe winery tours, and
> just generally relaxing.

The Canadian side is actually a little more touristy in some ways. There are
a few blocks of tourist traps a short distance from the falls. There are a
lot more hotels, motels and restaurants on the Canadian side, and a lot more
tourist attractions.

> I have googled, but there is so much info I would like your experiences
> as to what we "must see".  Just wondering things like, are the aviary
> tours and the butterfly tours worth the cost.... stuff like that.

The butterfly conservatory is great, though it might depend on your level of
interest in butterflies.  It is on the grounds of the school of
horticulture, which is also worth a visit, and it's free.

> Any tips on what we "must" see or where people have enjoyed staying.  We
> wouldn't use a pool with a huge waterpark type area, though would
> certainly be willing to stay there if the place is reasonably priced and
> nice.  B&Bs would be great too.

If you are interested in hiking, there is a great hiking trail down into the
gorge at the Niagara Glen, about 6 miles downstream from the falls, close
the the butterfly conservatory.  There is a great cycling trail along the
Niagara River, or you can walk it.  You would probably enjoy the town of
Niagara on the Lake, and you can get maps of the wineries, most of which are
near NOTL.
Mark Brader - 23 Mar 2006 01:46 GMT
"Shelly" writes:
> We are a group of moms who enjoy outdoor activities such as hiking,
> seeing the falls (and other falls/nature activities if near-by)...

First, separating the three falls are Goat Island and Luna Island.
Both are parkland and provided with viewpoints.  You can drive or
walk onto Goat Island from the US mainland, and there used to be a
tourist road-train also.  Luna Island is much smaller and only
reached on foot.  On the Canadian (west) side you have a strip of
parkland along the river, from which is the best overall view of the
falls.  The best sunlight angle is in the afternoon.

On either side you can get quite close to the top of the falls and
see the rapids above the falls (where the river twists to put Canada
on the south side).  But if you want to see the falls from the bottom,
which is perhaps even more impressive, you'll have to pay admission
to someone.  There are three choices, all accessed by private elevators:

 * Maid of the Mist boats (US or Canadian side, return to same place)
 * Cave of the Winds (US side, goes near base of two falls)
 * Journey Behind the Falls (Canadian side, one viewpoint near base of
   falls -- seen in the movie "Niagara" -- and another behind the water)

Any of them is well worth doing if you want to try it; the boat probably
gives the most impressive view.  You are given protection against the spray.

There are also high-level tower viewpoints which also charge admission,
and helicopter tours.

The Rainbow Bridge, the international bridge just north (downstream)
of the falls, has a pretty good view of the falls and you can cross
it on foot if you want.  (Of course you need to carry the same identi-
fication you would for any other border crossing -- even if you only
go part way out and return.)

Not much further downstream, the river squeezes into a narrow gorge with
some truly impressive rapids at the bottom.  I consider these a must-see.
For a closeup view, which I recommend, you must take the White Water
Walk (private elevator to a riverside walkway -- seen in the movie
"Superman II").

The water from these rapids flows into a turbulent pool called "The
Whirlpool" (there isn't one big whirlpool as such, but the circular
current forms many little ones) on the side of the gorge where it
makes a sharp turn.  I don't think there is any public access to this at
a low level, but you can take an aerial cable car (the "Spanish Aero Car")
across it and back, and you have a lengthwise view of the rapids as well.
Both the White Water Walk and the Spanish Aero Car are on the Canadian
(west) side.

Still further north there is hiking access to the river, I believe on
both sides, but I've never done this and have no details.  Around
Queenston the gorge ends and from there on north to Niagara-on-the-Lake
the river is wide and calm (just as it is farther upstream, south; you
can drive the full length of the river on the Canadian side).

> visiting museums/old homes, going on tours of establishments unique
> to the area,

There are preserved or restored War of 1812 era forts on both sides:
Fort Niagara across the river from Niagara-on-the-Lake, and Fort George
(I think) on the Canadian side a bit farther south.

No comment on the other points.
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bob and shel - 27 Mar 2006 02:20 GMT
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> No comment on the other points.

Wow!  some great tips!  Thanks much!

Shelly
?? - 24 Mar 2006 04:27 GMT
> Hi all,
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> Any tips on what we "must" see or where people have enjoyed staying.

We've enjoyed staying at the Inn at Lock Seven, in Thorold.  It's fun
watching the ships go through the locks!  And you can call and find out
where the ships are and can figure about what time they'll arrive at Lock 7.

http://www.innatlock7.com

WJ
Princeton, WV

>   We wouldn't use a pool with a huge waterpark type area, though would
> certainly be willing to stay there if the place is reasonably priced
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>
> Shelly
Maisie - 27 Mar 2006 02:39 GMT
I don't know if I missed it but how long are you going for? Do you plan
on spending more time in upper NY state or in Canada or don't you know
yet? That area is going to start to get pretty cool at night in
September but daytime weather should be terrific.

I never got to ride on the Maid of the Mist at Niagara but the trip
behind the falls is breathtaking.
Carol
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bob and shel - 27 Mar 2006 03:23 GMT
> I don't know if I missed it but how long are you going for? Do you plan
> on spending more time in upper NY state or in Canada or don't you know
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Hi Carol,

Actually we are early in the planning stages, so I don't know how long
we plan to be where.  I guess it will depend partially on how much we
"need" to see.  : )  It's looking like we will go in early Sept, shortly
after Labor Day.  We plan to see the falls from the Canada side, however
if the hotels are significantly more expensive in Canada, we may come
back to NY some of the time.

It sounds like the tour behind the falls is a must, as well as the boat
and butterfly aviary (I love butterflies).

As far as the weather is concerned, I am from the Green Bay, WI area, on
the shore of Lake Michigan, so I'm guessing that "pretty cool" is a
somewhat relative term.  : )  I recall being near Big Sur in CA and (I'm
not exaggerating) the people from there were wearing winter jackets,
while I was comfortable in a short sleeved sweater .  : )

Thanks!

Shelly
Smiles - 26 Mar 2006 16:52 GMT
Hi Bob and Shel

Sorry for braking some bad news BUT only true look at the falls is from
CANADA

See these sites
http://discoverniagara.com/attractions/main/

http://www.ontariotravel.net/TcisCtrl?site=consumers&key1=destinations&key2=GTA&
language=EN


http://www.torontotourism.com/visitor

http://www.accessniagara.com/blog/index.php

best look at the falls is at sundown under the searchlights

take care and enjoy your visit

Smiles

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>
> Shelly
Dave Smith - 26 Mar 2006 18:41 GMT
> Hi Bob and Shel
>
> Sorry for braking some bad news BUT only true look at the falls is from
> CANADA

True,  Due to the way the American Falls tumbles over from the American side you have a much
better view of it and the Horseshoe Falls from the Canadian side.
bob and shel - 27 Mar 2006 02:15 GMT
> Hi Bob and Shel
>
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>
> Smiles

Hi all,

Thanks for the responses so far.  We are definitely planning on going to
the Canadian side.  My biggest other question was what extra activities
should we definitely do?  There are tons of activities offered and we
don't know what is a tourist trap as opposed to things that are worth
spending the money on, such as:
Imax
Journey Behind the Falls
Maid of the Mist
Aviary
etc...

Thanks!!

shelly
Dave Smith - 27 Mar 2006 02:28 GMT
> Thanks for the responses so far.  We are definitely planning on going to
> the Canadian side.  My biggest other question was what extra activities
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> Maid of the Mist
> Aviary

Aviary? What aviary?  The Butterfly conservatory is quite enjoyable, and it is on the grounds of
the horticulture school, so if you like trees and flowers, it is well worth it.  I have lived in
the Niagara area for 40 years and never been on the Maid of the Mist. but people seem to love
it.  I did go behind the falls once. It was impressive at the time, but  I have no idea of the
cost.

You might consider parking your car at the People Mover lot and getting the pass.
bob and shel - 27 Mar 2006 02:47 GMT
>>Thanks for the responses so far.  We are definitely planning on going to
>>the Canadian side.  My biggest other question was what extra activities
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>
> You might consider parking your car at the People Mover lot and getting the pass.

I went to some links that a different poster sent me to and found lots
of attractions, so now we need to sort out what is worth seeing.  : )

http://www.niagarafallsaviary.com/

Thanks for your help!

shel
Dave Smith - 27 Mar 2006 16:26 GMT
> > Aviary? What aviary?  The Butterfly conservatory is quite enjoyable, and it is on the grounds of
> > the horticulture school, so if you like trees and flowers, it is well worth it.  I have lived in
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> http://www.niagarafallsaviary.com/

That is just around the corner from the notorious tourist traps.   I had never heard of it before, and
I used to spend my summers working in and around Niagara Falls. I wouldn't expect too much from it,
and at $14.95 per person it sounds like a rip-off.
janerene - 28 Mar 2006 02:01 GMT
We just went there this last summer and paid $13.00 to go on Maid of the
Mist, and it was worth every penny!  Maybe if you are from that area, you
take it all for granted.  We thought it was breathtaking--awesome, in the
true sense of the word.

> That is just around the corner from the notorious tourist traps.   I had
> never heard of it before, and
> I used to spend my summers working in and around Niagara Falls. I wouldn't
> expect too much from it,
> and at $14.95 per person it sounds like a rip-off.

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bob and shel - 28 Mar 2006 03:03 GMT
> We just went there this last summer and paid $13.00 to go on Maid of the
> Mist, and it was worth every penny!  Maybe if you are from that area, you
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>>expect too much from it,
>>and at $14.95 per person it sounds like a rip-off.

Hi there!

We definitely plan to go on The Maid of the Mist.  Probably not the
aviary, which is what Dave was responding about.

Thanks much!

shelly
Dave Smith - 28 Mar 2006 03:55 GMT
> > We just went there this last summer and paid $13.00 to go on Maid of the
> > Mist, and it was worth every penny!  Maybe if you are from that area, you
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> We definitely plan to go on The Maid of the Mist.  Probably not the
> aviary, which is what Dave was responding about.

Exactly.  I have never been on the Maid of the Mist. It's a tourist thing I
guess, because so many of them seem to love to. It's just not something the
locals do.
Personally, I go to the greenhouses by the falls. Admission is free but they
charge for parking during the busy season.  I go to the butterfly conservatory
once in a while. I go hiking in the Niagara Glen, do the bicycling path along
the river,  winery tours.   Personally, if I want to play tourist around here I
go to Niagara on the Lake.
janerene - 28 Mar 2006 04:38 GMT
We went to Niagara on the Lake, also.  Beautiful!  I didn't know it was wine
country up there.  We bought a couple bottles of the "ice wine" that they
produce up there.  We were there during cherry season, too.  Lots of little
roadside stands selling several varieties of cherries.  Also, while in
Niagara Falls on the American side, go down Pine Street.  It is the Little
Italy section.  Great Italian food!

> Exactly.  I have never been on the Maid of the Mist. It's a tourist thing
> I
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> here I
> go to Niagara on the Lake.

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Dave Smith - 28 Mar 2006 05:22 GMT
> We went to Niagara on the Lake, also.  Beautiful!  I didn't know it was wine
> country up there.  We bought a couple bottles of the "ice wine" that they
> produce up there.

We have some great wines here. Ice wine has become a bit of a speciality. It is
an old German tradition to leave some grapes on the vines until it gets nice
down to about -10 C. then they harvest them and press them while they are still
frozen. It results in an very flavourful and extremely sweet wine. It has been
successful because we can pretty well count on it getting cold enough to freeze
the grapes before the birds manage to get them or they wither away completely.

> We were there during cherry season, too.  Lots of little
> roadside stands selling several varieties of cherries.

It is also a fruit growing area, sweet cherries, sour cherries, apples, pears,
peaches, apricots, nectarines, plums, and lots of strawberries and raspberries.

>  Also, while in
> Niagara Falls on the American side, go down Pine Street.  It is the Little
> Italy section.  Great Italian food!

Lots of Italians on both sides of the border here.
clint - 28 Mar 2006 03:57 GMT
Thought it wet and messy and boring! Put that money in the casino!
>> We just went there this last summer and paid $13.00 to go on Maid of the
>> Mist, and it was worth every penny!  Maybe if you are from that area, you
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>
> shelly
Alan S - 28 Mar 2006 04:41 GMT
>Thought it wet and messy and boring! Put that money in the casino!

Wet, messy and boring?
That IS any casino.
Carpets soaked in beer, cigarette butts and smoke, and a
mind-numbingly boring way of paying taxes on stupidity.

Cheers, Alan, Australia
Laura Billmers - 29 Mar 2006 17:31 GMT
I have been on the Maid of the Mist several times.  Yes, I have been
there as a tourist. My first time was as a child.  Again as an aduult
with my husband, and again years later taking my 3 children, who were
teens at the time.  Maid of the Mist continues to be one of my favorite
attractions at the Falls.  It is totally awesome, IMHO, to get so close
to the water and feel the power of the water as it comes over the edge.
 Getting wet is half the fun and wearing the huge raincoats is half the
fun.

I agree that one must view the Falls from the Canadian side.

I also loved Cave of the Winds and Niagara on the Lake.

We have close friends in Buffalo and my sister went to college in
Buffalo so I have made many trips there over the years.  I have never
ever tired of seeing Niagara Falls!  It is AWESOME!!!  But that is just
my opinion.

Laura

>> We just went there this last summer and paid $13.00 to go on Maid of
>> the Mist, and it was worth every penny!  Maybe if you are from that
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> shelly
Dave Smith - 29 Mar 2006 22:26 GMT
> We have close friends in Buffalo and my sister went to college in
> Buffalo so I have made many trips there over the years.  I have never
> ever tired of seeing Niagara Falls!  It is AWESOME!!!  But that is just
> my opinion.

I live about 15 miles from the falls and I never tire of seeing them either.
I spent 3-4 months each year working along the parkway and never got tired
of the scenery  I still go there on my own time to look around though I
prefer to go in the off season when it is not crowded with tourists.  My
wife had an appointment this afternoon in Niagara on the Lake so I went
along with her and took the dog for a walk down the parkway. It was great.
George - 27 Mar 2006 16:53 GMT
Check this page http://www.ghptravel.com/htm/place/cannia1.htm

it has some info about attractions and also other users reviews about it.
 
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