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Travel Forum / Destinations / USA and Canada / April 2006Minimum Prison times
Stephen Harper wants Minimum Prision Times for drug offences. Thats a smart idea. Waste the tax payers money on sending people who deal with other people who use drugs. Let Me tell you something. Sending drug dealers to jail does nothing. People will still be using drugs, you can't stop it. Now I'm not a drug user myself. But I know enough about drugs that people in the United States are serving 25 years for selling narcotics, but yet there are still people who sell and consume drugs. It costs the Canadian Government about $40 a day for someone to stay in jail. Thats more then what people on welfare get. And what do the drug dealers learn when they are in jail? They learn other criminal activies fact of the matter is 80% of people who go to jail once will end up there again. Probably because no one wants to hire someone who has a criminal record. So lets do some simple math. You take one drug dealer, who wasen't hurting anyone but the users who want the drugs anyways. They get used to making a good salary, they spend alot of money on clothes, cars, clubs, lotteries. They buy houses and have families etc.(basicly generating alot of revenue and spreading it around which is excellent for the economy) Then you take them off of the street and feed them and care for them in the jail system. When they get out, they have nothing and can't get a good career because they have a criminal record. So they do what they learned in jail, they'll steal cars, rob houses and corner stores. Causing a much bigger problem. In case you haven't noticed drug dealers seldom fight each other, it's bad for business and if they do it's one dealer to another. Bad things only happen when the police get involved. When they go to jail they meet murderers, armed robbers, rapists etc. giving them a "criminal education". So who is causing the crime now? Stephen Harper, there is much bigger issues to deal with... like the enviroment, so lay off of the dealers and save Canada's money to save the enviroment, our streets don't need saving. >Let Me tell you something. No, let me tell you something. I don't know who Stephen Harper is, nor do I care. But if he is advocating minimum prison time for morons who post country-specific political crap on international newsgroups without the courtesy of an OT - then send me an absentee postal voting form. I'll vote for him. Cheers, Alan, Australia Hehehe, that's really funny... If I knew how to add the OT to my title I would, but I'm a posting moron who uses Google. The political stuff is Canadian, and the OP probably posted it here because of some kind of agreement in progress between Canada and the US. Maybe he wanted to warn drug dealers in the US not to travel to Canada to earn their living... > I don't know who Stephen Harper is, nor do I care. Prime Minister of Canada. Sorry to burden you with that. Guess world news doesn't seep through to Australia. >> I don't know who Stephen Harper is, nor do I care. > >Prime Minister of Canada. Sorry to burden you with that. Guess world >news doesn't seep through to Australia. Nah, news of small-time politicians in the frozen north doesn't interest us a lot. We don't even care if they're Quebecois or not. We're more concerned at the moment with our troops and police together with the Kiwis trying to sort out anarchy in the Solomons, the extra troops off to Afghanistan and Iraq, strained relations with our populous northern Islamic neighbour over the West Irian matter, US/China relationships and their implications for our trade, the Islamic extremist situation in Thailand, the revolution in Nepal, military manoeuvres and threatening situations in the islands between Japan and South Korea, the North Korean nuclear problem - and, of course, much more important, the cricket score from Bangla Desh. So yeah, we're pretty focused on local stuff. I'm afraid the thoughts of small-time northern politicians on small-time drug offenders comes way behind the Bangla Desh cricket score:-) If that's what he wants to do, tell him to google for details of the "Bali 9" or "Schappelle Corby". The precedents set in Bali should cheer him up no end. Cheers, Alan, Australia If you can find a better way to make drugs go away and stay out of our country (Canada), then please do suggest it... Consider this, when I was 14, some kid at my highschool suggested I try some drugs and have a "trip". I'm so paranoid that I won't even take food from a classmate, for fear it's poisoned or something, so no way was I going to touch his drugs. But many people did touch his drugs, and I know of people who regret ever having done them. Not because they decided, "hey, I want to try coke, so where can I find it?" But because these people, some day in their life, were minding their own business and someone told them, "try this, you'll feel better". Educating kids helps, but telling kids how drugs hurt them will not prevent them from trying them. Self-esteem and self-worth are more valuable tools, and I'm thankful that I had a strong personality to decide before an offer was made, that I will never touch drugs. So I only see two ways to try and fix this problem... legalizing, which is not a very smart idea, but it will fix some problems. And irradicating... if it's not there, it can't hurt anyone. For what it's worth, someone who is very close to me is serving time because he got messed up, someone offered him drugs, he thought it was a good fix to his problem, and while on these drugs that he thought he needed, he beat another person senseless. I have not seen this person in six years, except for some mail contact... He was the best friend and "big brother" I could ever hope for, until he got messed up on drugs. Now he's paying the price and living with the regret of his actions. At least five years after his sentence discharge, he can have his record erased, but it will be a hard five years to do something with his life before then. He's been down since he was 21, and never had a chance in life to make something of himself before he lost the opportunity. So don't say that drug dealers aren't hurting anyone... someone always gets hurt in the end. >If you can find a better way to make drugs go away and stay out of our >country (Canada), then please do suggest it... Hmm, they are smuggling the stuff OUT of Canada into the states - especially BC Bud...there are busts all the time in the NW That's stuff that's grown up here... I don't know enough about the cause and effect of pot. The stuff that scares me is cocaine & derivatives, methamphetamine (sp?) and other similar "home manufactured chemicals" (which can be made anywhere you have those basic household chemicals), LSD & PCP (and other hallucogens), and heroin. I'm sure there are other drugs I don't know about, but as far as I know, we aren't growing cocoa plant in Canada. >>>>Self-esteem and self-worth are more valuable tools, and I'm thankful >>>>that I had a strong personality to decide before an offer was made, that >>>>I will never touch drugs. And all of us on this newsgroup are now the benefit of THAT. > So lets do some simple math. You take one drug dealer, who wasen't > hurting anyone but the users who want the drugs anyways. Uh-huh. The dealer who sold the stuff to the drugged up wacko who runs over your daughter with his car isn't hurting anyone? The doper who introduces your daughter to drugs and starts her off on an addicted living nightmare isn't hurting anyone? KM  Signature(-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3600 live cameras or visit NASA, the Vatican, the Smithsonian, the Louvre, CIA, FBI or CNN, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards & 150 foreign languages Visit Hawaii, Israel and more: http://keith.martin.home.att.net/ Uh-huh. The dealer who sold the stuff to the drugged up wacko who runs over your daughter with his car isn't hurting anyone? The doper who introduces your daughter to drugs and starts her off on an addicted living nightmare isn't hurting anyone? KM >>>>>>> funny thing is, if he was to repeatedly rape and sodomize your daughter over the course of a weekend, he would likely do less time than if he sold her a kilo of cocaine......sound crazy? It is........... And how bout the liquor store owner who sells a bottle of whiskey to the drunk who runs his car into the drugged up wacko who is taking care of business on your daughter. Should the liqour store owner be held accountable. Liqour has been shown to be far more addictive/dangerous than marijuana. Get your head out of you a.s if you think casual drug dealing is a serious offense. Chuck > Uh-huh. The dealer who sold the stuff to the drugged up wacko who runs > over [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > marijuana. Get your head out of you a.s if you think casual drug > dealing is a serious offense. OK, so you're a doper and want to ignore the drugs you don't use and want to believe that most pushers are "casual" because you don't have a daughter and never will have one because your one true love is drugs. Methinks she doth protest too much, but, you too, may come to discover that nothing law enforcement can do to you will ever be as horrendous as what drugs can do to you, though you may not be around to tell the story. KM Signature(-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3600 live cameras or visit NASA, the Vatican, the Smithsonian, the Louvre, CIA, FBI or CNN, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards & 150 foreign languages Visit Hawaii, Israel and more: http://keith.martin.home.att.net/ nothing law enforcement can do to you will ever be as horrendous as what drugs can do to you, though you may not be around to tell the story. KM>>>>> you are so full of sh.t is laughable. Law enforcemtn has killed more people with taser guns in the past six months than have died from Marijuana since the begining of time. Do tell, with your ultimate wisdom, what are the dangers of pot use? Hmmm......cant think of any? Hmmm....maybe there are none? FWIW, I use a vaperizor, so I have little risk of lung disease so dont bother going there...... Chuck Visit Hawaii, Israel and more: http://keith.martin.home.att.net/ > nothing law enforcement can do to you will ever be as horrendous as > what drugs can do to you, though you may not be around to tell the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Do tell, with your ultimate wisdom, what are the dangers of pot use? > Hmmm......cant think of any? Hmmm....maybe there are none? Guess, again. Literally millions of drug addicts have readily admitted they got started on drugs of abuse with marijuana. Drug treatment facilities literally make billions of dollars annually treating drug dependence and many of their patients will quickly admit they were addicted to marijuana. The myth that the drug is what determines addiction needs to be dispelled: it's the body the drug is put into that determines addiction. Those who never ingest the drug, never find out if it's addicting or not. All you're saying is that you are a grasshopper who consumes marijuana and you don't want to go to jail for being unable to cope with life without drugs. The rest of us may choose to live drug free and don't have to worry about law enforcement's taser guns or the tragic effects of drug abuse. KM Signature(-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3600 live cameras or visit NASA, the Vatican, the Smithsonian, the Louvre, CIA, FBI or CNN, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards & 150 foreign languages > > Do tell, with your ultimate wisdom, what are the dangers of pot use? > > Hmmm......cant think of any? Hmmm....maybe there are none? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > literally make billions of dollars annually treating drug dependence and > many of their patients will quickly admit they were addicted to marijuana. Oh goodie... interviews with drug addicts looking for someone or something to blame for their addictive behaviour. Even more millions of pot smokers never went on to other drugs, except legally accessible alcohol. Many pot smokes grew out of the phase and simple gave it up for lack of interest. > The myth that the drug is what determines addiction needs to be dispelled: > it's the body the drug is put into that determines addiction. Those who [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > rest of us may choose to live drug free and don't have to worry about law > enforcement's taser guns or the tragic effects of drug abuse. KM Drug free????? No beer? No wine? No cigarettes or coffee? All you're > saying is that you are a grasshopper who consumes marijuana and you don't > want to go to jail for being unable to cope with life without drugs. The > rest of us may choose to live drug free and don't have to worry about law > enforcement's taser guns or the tragic effects of drug abuse. the rest of you may choose to be drug free, but I wouldnt say you are safe from the taser gun........they dont just use it on drug offenders you know....if airline pilots made as many mistakes as police, dozens of planes would drop from the sky every day.....dont assume you wont end up on the wrong end of the taser/cuffs just because you are innocent. Chuck > All you're > saying is that you are a grasshopper who consumes > marijuana and you don't [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the rest of you may choose to be drug free, but I wouldnt say you are > safe from the taser gun....... Yeah, well it isn't anything I worry about. I doubt seriously if people with taser guns wander around aimlessly looking for random targets. Even if they do, I'm still not worried. KM Signature(-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3600 live cameras or visit NASA, the Vatican, the Smithsonian, the Louvre, CIA, FBI or CNN, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards & 150 foreign languages Visit Hawaii, Israel and more: http://keith.martin.home.att.net/ >> Guess, again. Literally millions of drug addicts have readily admitted >> they [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > never > went on to other drugs, Yet. Sorry, but most recovered and recovering drug addicts blame no one but themselves. Have a toke on me. KM Signature(-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3600 live cameras or visit NASA, the Vatican, the Smithsonian, the Louvre, CIA, FBI or CNN, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards & 150 foreign languages Visit Hawaii, Israel and more: http://keith.martin.home.att.net/ > > Oh goodie... interviews with drug addicts looking for someone or something > > to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Yet. Sorry, but most recovered and recovering drug addicts blame no one but > themselves. Have a toke on me. KM So it wasn't the pot? Guess, again. Literally millions of drug addicts have readily admitted they got started on drugs of abuse with marijuana.>>>>>>> So the only negative consequence you can come up with is the tired old gateway drug theory? How bout as Dave pointed out, the millions and millions of pot heads who never get into other stuff and lead perfectly normal lives. I would bet far more people would point to alcohol and even gambling as being a bigger problem in their lives than weed. You are exactly the type of the person the govt loves. To stupid to form your own opionin based on fact and eager as hell to eat up the misinformation that they put out. Pot is illegal because mexicans and blacks were turning on white women with it. That is a fact. Chuck > Guess, again. Literally millions of drug addicts have readily admitted > they > got started on drugs of abuse with marijuana.>>>>>>> > > So the only negative consequence you can come up with is the tired old No, that wasn't the only one by a long shot, but, this is a travel newsgroup, not a forum to promote illegal and dangerous drugs. So if you want to connect with other losers who can't get through the week or the day without mind altering chemicals, be my guest, but this isn't the proper venue to seek people of like mindlessness. KM Signature(-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3600 live cameras or visit NASA, the Vatican, the Smithsonian, the Louvre, CIA, FBI or CNN, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards & 150 foreign languages Visit Hawaii, Israel and more: http://keith.martin.home.att.net/ > > So lets do some simple math. You take one drug dealer, who wasen't > > hurting anyone but the users who want the drugs anyways. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > your daughter to drugs and starts her off on an addicted living nightmare > isn't hurting anyone? KM What kind of drugs are you talking about? Pot does not turn people into raving lunatics. Pot is not addictive. Alcohol is responsible for more health, personal, family, work, criminal problems and accidents than all illegal drugs combines. Get a grip. Smoking a bit of pot once in a while should not be considered a crime any more than having a beer. >> > So lets do some simple math. You take one drug dealer, who wasen't >> > hurting anyone but the users who want the drugs anyways. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > raving > lunatics. Pot is not addictive. Alcohol is responsible for more health, OK, so you smoke a lot of pot and may even sell it, so you want the world to have a different set of laws regarding pot than for other dangerous drugs. Talk to your legislators, not a newsgroup. And your tired old illogic that points out the dangers and shortcomings of alcohol as that somehow will erase the horror stories about pot became weary about 40 years ago. Rather than attacking alcohol, it might be more beneficial for you to concentrate on your own problem: marijuana - or might that be too painful and rob you of your denial? KM Signature(-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3600 live cameras or visit NASA, the Vatican, the Smithsonian, the Louvre, CIA, FBI or CNN, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards & 150 foreign languages Visit Hawaii, Israel and more: http://keith.martin.home.att.net/ > OK, so you smoke a lot of pot and may even sell it, so you want the world to > have a different set of laws regarding pot than for other dangerous drugs. > Talk to your legislators, not a newsgroup. And your tired old illogic that > points out the dangers and shortcomings of alcohol as that somehow will > erase the horror stories about pot became weary about 40 years ago. Is it illogic to oppose the criminalization of a vice bases of puritan attitudes and false information? > Rather > than attacking alcohol, it might be more beneficial for you to concentrate > on your own problem: marijuana - or might that be too painful and rob you > of your denial? KM Pointing out that alcohol is a much larger social problem than marijuana is not an attack. It is just the truth. I don't have a drug problem. You won't find any pot in my possession or any trace of it in my system. OK, so you smoke a lot of pot and may even sell it, so you want the world to have a different set of laws regarding pot than for other dangerous drugs.>>>>>>> There should be a different set of laws for pot. It is not dangerous. PERIOD. In the time it takes you to read this post, the govt has lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue that could have been earned. Noone is calling for legalization, that is a stupid notion. decriminilization, on the other hand, is the only sensible option. Chuck this is gonna piss off a lot of people...... even less spring breakers going to FLA for sure...... I know I will vacation in mexico again for sure....not for the coke/heroin, but the pot..... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,193616,00.html |
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