TheNewsGuy(Mike) wrote:
> topgooner71 wrote:
>
>> Hi All.
>> hope you can help.
>>
>> Whats the chances of covering this distance and actually having time
>> to enjoy a few things...
>>
>> have got a month of work...
>>
>> So.. Im figuring..
>>
>> 28 days...
>> less 2 for travelling
>> less 2 for when we first get to vancouver.(wont be travelling too much)
>> less 3 for visiting NY from niagara...
>>
>> Leaved 21 days...... so.. is there enough time to see a little of what
>> we should..?
>>
>> Anyone care to tell us what we HAVE to see.. and what we shoud avoid...
>>
>> Looking to book this in the next 24 hours as the flights are really
>> cheap. £745 for both of us (out of london into vancouver, and out of
>> toronto into london)
>
> Have you posted this in rec.travel.usa-canada ?
>
> That is a much more active group - you will get a lot of good answers
> there.
>
> 21 days is a lot of time and seeing Vancouver to Toronto in that time is
> well within reason (most people do it in less).
>
> Are you renting (hiring) a car? or looking at trains or buses?
>
> Respond in rec.travel.usa-canada
Hi, thanks for response. We will be hiring a car. Hoping to see as much
as possible without rushing too much.
We are just a little worried that it is a littel too far and we will end
up not seeing enough or having to rush the last 3-4 days.
Any good bad experiences with Zoom anyone..? they are BY FAR the
cheapest airline in getting us to and from Canada from London.
Thanks again.
Charlie
Ed.Toronto@gmail.com - 28 Jul 2006 17:12 GMT
> > 21 days is a lot of time and seeing Vancouver to Toronto in that time is
> > well within reason (most people do it in less).
> >
> Hi, thanks for response. We will be hiring a car. Hoping to see as much
> as possible without rushing too much.
You will see a lot. It's a long time to be travelling.
Where do you expect to stay? It would be quite helpful to have camping
equipment with you so you can stay at the many provicial/national parks
and other parks with campsites.
What do you want to see? Scenery? History? There are a lot of
choices available when you have 21 days.
> We are just a little worried that it is a littel too far and we will end
> up not seeing enough or having to rush the last 3-4 days.
Your concern about it being "too far" makes me think that you don't
want to just drive around. Note that in 21 days you could probably
drive up to the Yukon, back down to the Rockies, and out to Quebec,
before hitting Toronto.
So for not too much driving, something like 8-10 days in BC/Rocky
Mountains, 3-4 days Prairies, and remaining 7 or so days in Ontario
would work out.
Depending on the time of year, Jasper and Banff will be tourist zoos.
You could base yourself for a few days in someplace like Nelson BC
where there is a reasonable amount to see in town, and plenty of
mountain scenery in every direction. You could also consider making a
trip over to Vancouver Island, maybe without the car to make it
cheaper. The Icefields Parkway would be a good route to take to see
some more of the mountains before heading into the flatness of the
Praries and the relative flatness of Ontario.
The Praries themselves are probably best seen from the car window--I
mean you are driving and driving and driving. It's great to be driving
across the Prairies if you are on a schedule because you make good
time, but if you want to see exciting stuff, maybe not. You could
follow one of the alternate routes rather than the Trans-Canada:
Yellowhead highway to the north, or Redcoat Trail to the south. (The
Redcoat Trail had some bad roads in western Saskatchewan when I went
through in 2003.) You could stop in one of the cities one night for a
change from small towns and countryside.
In Ontario, you have a few days to see northwestern Ontario: there are
a number of provincial parks to camp at. I don't think any of the
cities or towns of the northwest are tourist centres. I have not been
up any of the northern roads such as the highway to Sioux Lookout but
you may be interested in taking a trip literally up to where the roads
stop.
I'd recommend visiting Manitoulin Island and taking the ferry across to
Tobermory on the Bruce Peninsula if you have some days left. Both
Manitoulin and the Bruce are beautiful in summer with lots of nice
white limsetone cliffs and deep blue Georgian Bay waters (the waters
are probably too cold to swim in, though--for a beach, try Sauble
Beach). The Bruce Peninsula is an easy few hours drive from Toronto,
and there you are.
....Ed
topgooner71 - 28 Jul 2006 20:26 GMT
>> > 21 days is a lot of time and seeing Vancouver to Toronto in that time is
>> > well within reason (most people do it in less).
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>
> ....Ed
Hi both... Thanks for replies.
This trip is being planned between the 9th sept and early oct this year.
We thought about the flying option but would far rather drive as it
will allow us to see things along the way .. It is great seeing a place
you like the look of and deciding to stay the day there.
We would MUCH rather see scenery than history... Will be printng out the
above post to hel pus put our 'general' route together..
We were planing on staying in Motels, or B and B's.. hadn't really
thought about camping.. not a bad idea..
So much to plan.. and so little time to arrange it...!
charlie
Dave Smith - 28 Jul 2006 21:42 GMT
> This trip is being planned between the 9th sept and early oct this year.
> We thought about the flying option but would far rather drive as it
> will allow us to see things along the way .. It is great seeing a place
> you like the look of and deciding to stay the day there.
Just so you know.... the fall colours in Ontario usually at their brightest in
late September. The hardwood forests are so bright and colourful that they
sometimes seem to glow.
> We would MUCH rather see scenery than history... Will be printng out the
> above post to hel pus put our 'general' route together..
>
> We were planing on staying in Motels, or B and B's.. hadn't really
> thought about camping.. not a bad idea..
It starts getting a little chilly for camping in September.
Király - 29 Jul 2006 10:34 GMT
> This trip is being planned between the 9th sept and early oct this year.
> We thought about the flying option but would far rather drive as it
> will allow us to see things along the way .. It is great seeing a place
> you like the look of and deciding to stay the day there.
> We would MUCH rather see scenery than history... Will be printng out the
> above post to hel pus put our 'general' route together..
If that's the case I would definitely see BC and the western mountains,
and fly across to Ontario, skipping the middle. Many people find the
prairies dull. I actually enjoy driving across the prairies. Living in
Vancouver, I see big mountains every day, and the golden wheat and
canola fields in the prairies are an interesting change of scenery. But
in the fall all you will see are endless brown fields of post-harvest
stubble, which gets tiresome pretty quickly.
The previous poster's recommendation of Manitoulin Island is good, and
there is a ferry from there to the Bruce Peninsula in southern Ontario.
But driving to Manitoulin Island from western Canada gets pretty tiresome
too. Here's what you will see in terms of scenery in an hour's worth of
northern Ontario driving:
trees, trees, trees, trees, trees, lake, trees, trees, trees, trees, gas
station/store, trees, trees, trees, trees, trees.
You have about 1,500km of that to drive through before getting to
Manitoulin Island where the scenery starts to change.
I'd recommend staying a while in BC and the Alberta Rockies, and flying
from Calgary to southern Ontario. Like another poster mentioned, Southern
Ontario is prime fall colour territory and you will be in Canada at the
perfect time to see it. That's one more reason to make a B-line for that
area once you are finished with the western mountains.
You can get cheap nonstop flights to London, Hamilton, or Toronto from
Calgary on www.westjet.ca. Hamilton offers the easiest access to Niagara.
Last year's official Ontario fall colours tourist guide can be found
here: http://tinyurl.com/hrzgv
Hope this helps.

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Király - 28 Jul 2006 17:26 GMT
> Hi, thanks for response. We will be hiring a car. Hoping to see as much
> as possible without rushing too much.
>
> We are just a little worried that it is a littel too far and we will end
> up not seeing enough or having to rush the last 3-4 days.
Canada is a BIG country, and Europeans often tend to underestimate its
size when they visit for the first time. The distance between Vancouver
and Toronto, for example, is greater than that between London to Moscow.
If your primary destinations are BC, southern Ontario, and New York, I
would consider taking a few flights rather then driving all the way
across.
Consider an itinerary like this:
Day 1-3: Vancouver
Day 3-5: Harbour Air Float plane to Victoria, explore surrounding area
Day 6-12: Fly Victoria -> Kelowna, pick up rental car, spend 7 days
exploring BC interior and Rocky Mtns, drop rental car in Calgary
Day 13: Fly Calgary -> Hamilton ON, pick up rental car
Day 14-18: Hit Niagara falls, NYC
Day 19-21: Drive back to Toronto, drop car at YYZ, fly home
I would use www.westjet.ca for domestic flights within Canada.

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Dave Smith - 28 Jul 2006 20:23 GMT
> >> Whats the chances of covering this distance and actually having time
> >> to enjoy a few things...
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> Any good bad experiences with Zoom anyone..? they are BY FAR the
> cheapest airline in getting us to and from Canada from London.
It takes 3-4 days to drive from Vancouver to Toronto. That leaves lots of time
to stay at various spots along the way. The mountains in the west are
incredibly beautiful. After passing through several mountain ranges, the
prairies may seem a little boring. Most people just pass right through as fast
as they can, though there are lots of forests and lakes further north if you
have the time and inclination.
My brother and his wife flew Zoom from Toronto to Paris and return last year.
They had no problems, and they did save a lot of money.