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Travel Forum / Destinations / USA and Canada / August 2006Your opinion wanted re: new passport requirements effective 1/8/07
Here is a posting I received today from the US office of Travel and Tourism Industries. Do with it what you will. :) Wendy Piquette C-USA Travel Guide http://www.c-usa.info The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and U.S. Department of State (State) announced the proposed requirements for the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI). WHTI is the government's plan to implement a provision of the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act signed into law in 2004. DHS and State are providing the public with an opportunity to comment on the proposed rules and enable them to meet the proposed requirements. The proposed timeline and requirements would be as follows: January 8, 2007 - Passports, Merchant Mariner Document (MMD) or NEXUS Air cards would be required for all air travel, and most commercial sea travel, from within the Western Hemisphere for citizens of the United States, Canada, Mexico, and Bermuda. This is a change from the previously scheduled date of January 1, in order to accommodate holiday travel. January 1, 2008 - The statutory deadline for all Western Hemisphere travel, including land border travel. Passports or other accepted documents determined to sufficiently denote identity and citizenship will be required for anyone crossing at a land border, as well as air and sea. Together, these two proposed rules set forth the requirements of the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI). The Department of Homeland Security is issuing an economic assessment of the proposed rule for air and sea. The public may provide input and/or comment on both the proposed rule and the economic assessment on or before September 24, 2006. Those wishing to comment on the proposed rule may access the Federal Rule Making Portal at: http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/01jan20061800/edocket.access.gpo.gov/200 6/06-6854.htm and follow the instructions for submitting comments. Submissions must include the agency name and docket number CBP 2006-0097. For more information, visit www.dhs.gov or www.travel.state.gov. > Here is a posting I received today from the US office of Travel and > Tourism Industries. > Do with it what you will. :) [snip] > January 8, 2007 - Passports, Merchant Mariner Document (MMD) or NEXUS > Air cards would be required for all air travel, and most commercial sea > travel, from within the Western Hemisphere for citizens of the United > States, Canada, Mexico, and Bermuda. This is a change from the > previously scheduled date of January 1, in order to accommodate holiday > travel. [snip] So are we saying that passports would be required for effectively "domestic" air travel? >> Passports, Merchant Mariner Document (MMD) or NEXUS Air >> cards would be required for all air travel, and most commercial sea [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > So are we saying that passports would be required for effectively > "domestic" air travel? One could easily read it that way, but having paid attention to this issue for awhile, I know that passports will be required for travel between countries. We are not yet at the "Papers, please." phase. > Here is a posting I received today from the US office of Travel and > Tourism Industries. [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > For more information, visit www.dhs.gov or www.travel.state.gov. It is nothing short of Police State Security. It is an irritant and intrusion into the lives of American travelers. It will not stop any determined or even a half witted terrorist. It is just another control feature of the "police state." They think that the method to control crime and "terrorism" is the surveillance and monitoring of each American. The millions of cameras popping up on roadways are not just for spotting traffic accidents. George Orwell would be right at home. >It is nothing short of Police State Security. It is an irritant and >intrusion into the lives of American travelers. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >millions of cameras popping up on roadways are not just for spotting >traffic accidents. George Orwell would be right at home. Does the phrase "pissing upwind" have any meaning to you? ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * > It is nothing short of Police State Security. It is an irritant and > intrusion into the lives of American travelers. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > millions of cameras popping up on roadways are not just for spotting > traffic accidents. George Orwell would be right at home. Don't shoot the messenger! : ) I appreciate your concerns, but make sure you also respond to the links below from my initial posting. Make your voice heard. > > Those wishing to comment on the proposed rule may access the Federal > > Rule Making Portal at: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > > For more information, visit www.dhs.gov or www.travel.state.gov. Wendy Piquette C-USA Travel Guide http://www.c-usa.info > Here is a posting I received today from the US office of Travel and > Tourism Industries. > Do with it what you will. :) It will hurt travel to Mexico and Canada. The passport process, for new passports, is real pain in the butt, and very expensive. I just went through it for my wife and two kids. Hours of waiting at a post office, and very expensive. The post office then tries to sell you Express Mail service at about $30 per passport extra, even though the regular priority mail still is tracked and requires a signature. > > Here is a posting I received today from the US office of Travel and > > Tourism Industries. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Express Mail service at about $30 per passport extra, even though the > regular priority mail still is tracked and requires a signature. How much do these passports cost?  Signatureant Don't try to email me; I'm borrowing the spammer du jour's addy > How much do these passports cost? US Passports: Routine Services (Form DS-11) Non-Refundable Age 16 and older: The passport application fee is $55. The security surcharge is $12. The execution fee is $30. The total is $97. Under Age 16: The passport application fee is $40. The security surcharge is $12. The execution fee is $30. The total is $82. http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/fees/fees_837.html Adult passport is good for 10 years; U16 for 5. SignatureJoe Makowiec http://makowiec.org/ Email: http://makowiec.org/contact/?Joe > > How much do these passports cost? > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Adult passport is good for 10 years; U16 for 5. Australian Passports: From 1 July 2006 the cost of the standard adult passport will rise from $172 to $193, while for children and seniors the standard passport fee will rise from $86 to $96. The fees for passports and other travel documents will rise to reflect the increase in the Consumer Price Index and to offset the cost of increased consular services provided to Australian passport holders overseas. Signatureant Don't try to email me; I'm borrowing the spammer du jour's addy >>US Passports: Routine Services (Form DS-11), Non-Refundable >>Age 16 and older: The passport application fee is $55. The security >>surcharge is $12. The execution fee is $30. The total is $97. Under >>Age 16: The passport application fee is $40. The security surcharge >>is $12. The execution fee is $30. The total is $82. Those who choke on the expense of a license to roam the globe would IMHO do better to stay home and watch travel programs on TV. The price of luggage is outlandish as well, but no one complains about that. However, these things are miniscule compared to the actual expense of the trip itself. =R= >>>US Passports: Routine Services (Form DS-11), Non-Refundable >>>Age 16 and older: The passport application fee is $55. The security [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >However, these things are miniscule compared to the actual expense of >the trip itself. =R= And the passport is valid for 10 years -- thus the per year cost is $8.20. As you point out, small change when compared to the cost of travel abroad. Geez! >>>>US Passports: Routine Services (Form DS-11), Non-Refundable >>>>Age 16 and older: The passport application fee is $55. The security [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > $8.20. As you point out, small change when compared to the cost > of travel abroad. Geez! Actually travel abroad is often cheaper than that. Of course it helps that the cost can be split over many trips to the bakery. > > > US Passports: Routine Services (Form DS-11), Non-Refundable > > > Age 16 and older: The passport application fee is $55. The [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > that. However, these things are miniscule compared to the actual > expense of the trip itself. =R= That's nice but, why have you quoted me talkign about US passports? I don't have a US passport, and never said any thing about them Those who can't quote accurately should stay off usenet. Signatureant Don't try to email me; I'm borrowing the spammer du jour's addy > Those who can't quote accurately should stay off usenet. My apologoes. Guess some people never make scriviner's errors. >>>US Passports: Routine Services (Form DS-11), Non-Refundable >>>Age 16 and older: The passport application fee is $55. The security [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >However, these things are miniscule compared to the actual expense of >the trip itself. =R= There are a lot of Americans who will, in near future, require passports not for roaming the globe, but for going to Christmas dinner at auntie's house. ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * > It will hurt travel to Mexico and Canada. The passport process, for new > passports, is real pain in the butt, and very expensive. I just went > through it for my wife and two kids. Hours of waiting at a post office, > and very expensive. The post office then tries to sell you Express Mail > service at about $30 per passport extra, even though the regular priority > mail still is tracked and requires a signature. I just got mine. DL the form on the 'net' filled it in and mailed it with the regular fee. Received it back in 20 days. >> It will hurt travel to Mexico and Canada. The passport process, for new >> passports, is real pain in the butt, and very expensive. I just went [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Received it back in 20 days. I even took the photos I sengt in for us. ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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